Rebel is Rebecca Carroll's regular conversation on race and pop culture. You can hear Rebecca talk about these issues with guests on Wednesday mornings on WNYC.

Rebel_inseta.jpgEvery year when awards season rolls around, conversations about the industry's diversity and inclusion efforts start by counting the nominees of color and then trying to gauge whether or not that number indicates progress.

At the Creative Emmys over the weekend, John Legend won an Emmy for co-producing the live televised version of Jesus Christ Superstar, making him the first black man EGOT, and black actors swept the guest actor categories. But is that alone a real marker of inclusion? And what does the Primetime Emmys lineup look like?

For this week's Rebel conversation, I talked with Christina Coleman, News & Culture Director at Glamour magazine. Also, Christina and I are firmly rooting for everybody black. And If you don't know that reference, Google it.

Listen to Rebecca Carroll talk about the Emmy Awards on WNYC with Christina Coleman, below.

Rebecca Carroll is a cultural critic and Editor of Special Projects at WNYC, where she develops, produces and hosts a broad array of multi-platform content, including podcasts, live events and on-air broadcasts. Rebecca is also a critic at large for the Los Angeles Times, and a regular columnist at Shondaland in addition to Gothamist. She is the author of several interview-based books about race and blackness in America, including the award-winning Sugar in the Raw, and her personal essays, cultural commentary and opinion pieces have been published widely.