Rebel_inseta.jpgRebel is Rebecca Carroll's regular column on race and pop culture. You can hear Rebecca talk about these issues with guests on Wednesday mornings on WNYC, or participate in one of Rebel's monthly conversations in The Greene Space.

This week's Rebel interview is with Tressie McMillan Cottom, a sociologist and author of the new book Thick. Her essays are personal, funny and deeply serious, and she ranges across topics from questioning the standards of Western beauty to compassionately examining the fragile nature of black girlhood, to taking a hard look at President Barack Obama's idealism.

She says that one of the legacies our first black president has left us is President Donald Trump. When I asked her what Trump might give us, she said:

"Dear Lord, that's a great and terrifying question," she said. "I'm going to be honest with you—I don't think Trump is the actual, opposite pole [from Obama]. I think he's on the continuum. I think the ultimate expression of the opposite pole is a competent Trump."

Click below to hear the whole conversation.

Rebecca Carroll is a cultural critic and Editor of Special Projects at WNYC, where she develops, produces and hosts a broad array of multi-platform content, including podcasts, live events and on-air broadcasts. Rebecca is also a critic at large for the Los Angeles Times, and a regular columnist at Shondaland in addition to Gothamist. She is the author of several interview-based books about race and blackness in America, including the award-winning Sugar in the Raw, and her personal essays, cultural commentary and opinion pieces have been published widely.