After Louis C.K.'s initial stab at a comeback at the end of August, a wider debate broke out about the state of comedy, and when (if ever) it's appropriate for men who have admitted to sexual misconduct to re-enter public life. Norm Macdonald, an all-time great comedian who has a new talk show (Norm Macdonald Has a Show) coming to Netflix this month, did a cannonball into the hot takes water today during an interview with The Hollywood Reporter today in which he comes to the defense of Louis C.K., Roseanne Barr and Chris Hardwick, and generally exposes himself as painfully out of touch.

While Macdonald seems used to the "lunacy of the left" in Hollywood, he seems utterly surprised to learn over the last two years of Trump's presidency "that the same lunacy existed on the right." It took Sacha Baron Cohen's show Who Is America? to convince him that "everyone is a fucking idiot. Everyone is an idealogue."

Asked about the #MeToo movement, he said he's happy it has "slowed down a little bit. It used to be, 'One hundred women can't be lying.' And then it became, 'One woman can't lie.' And that became, 'I believe all women.' And then you're like, 'What?' Like, that Chris Hardwick guy I really thought got the blunt end of the stick there," Macdonald said. "The model used to be admit wrongdoing, show complete contrition, and then we give you a second chance. Now it's admit wrongdoing and you're finished. And so the only way to survive is to deny, deny, deny. That's not healthy — that there is no forgiveness."

He brings up a strawman argument that the state of the world will lead to innocent people committing suicide: "I do think that at some point it will end with a completely innocent person of prominence sticking a gun in his head and ending it. That's my guess. I know a couple of people this has happened to." When pressed to name someone that might apply to, he comes up with... Roseanne Barr & C.K.

Well, Louis [C.K.] and Roseanne [Barr] are the two people I know. And Roseanne was so broken up [after her show's reboot was cancelled] that I got Louis to call her, even though Roseanne was very hard on Louis before that. But she was just so broken and just crying constantly. There are very few people that have gone through what they have, losing everything in a day. Of course, people will go, "What about the victims?" But you know what? The victims didn't have to go through that.

What did the two of them talk about?

They both said they had a good conversation and were just giving any advice you could give to each other. There would be no way for me to even understand that advice, because who has ever gone through such a thing? All their work in their entire life being wiped out in a single day, a moment.

So C.K. and Roseanne, two incredibly wealthy people who are free to live comfortably in their expensive homes, have gone through something as bad or worse than their victims because they lost "everything"—everything, in this case, meaning their TV shows... and the respect of some of their peers (but not Norm). Meanwhile, their work is still available on streaming networks and online (and in C.K.'s case, he has faced no charges or lawsuits for his admitted sexual misconduct).

Despite not having seen it, Macdonald also has opinions on Nanette ("Of course that's a slap in the face of a traditional stand-up comedian who thinks that comedy by dictionary definition is about laughter."); he defends Jimmy Fallon over tousling Trump's hair ("He is just all about fun and silliness. That's what his audience wants. And then to be maligned for quote-unquote humanizing Trump. Funny, I thought he was a human."); he thinks it's "crazy" to think Roseanne is racist ("What I do know is that she is a single-issue motivated person. And that issue is Israel. That's all she cares about politically."); and perhaps worst of all, he talked about how much he likes the comedy stylings of Colin Jost.