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Sources: Greg Kelly Has "Flirtatious" Texts To Prove Sex Was Consensual

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After being accused of—but not charged with—raping an unidentified young woman in her Manhattan office, Greg Kelly—son of NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly and co-host of a"Good Day New York"—has been laying low. Kelly has denied the allegation through his attorney and not spoken publicly, but behind the scenes, sources have been talking to the press. Yesterday it was revealed that the woman had an abortion after her boozy encounter with Kelly, and now some are saying the Manhattan DA has doubts about the case. Of course, it goes without saying that all these unidentified sources talking to the tabloids may be people inside the NYPD with an interest in protecting the Commissioner's son. Update, 1/28: Now it's reported that the accuser's brother works for the NYPD.

“It sounds like a bunch of BS," one unidentified source tells the Post. Investigators are reportedly troubled by the amount of time it took the woman, a paralegal, to report the alleged rape, and sources are telling the tabloids the communication between her and Kelly after the incident also seems fishy. "You don’t communicate with someone who raped you," another "law-enforcement source" tells the Post. And these sources say the woman does not remember key details about her encounter with Kelly in the office.

012812kellytop.jpg The woman met Kelly, who is single, on the street in early October, and the two exchanged numbers and arranged to meet for drinks on October 8th. After drinks, sources say they went to her office because her boyfriend was home. After that night, they stayed in touch, and sources tell the Daily News Kelly Kelly has text messages from the woman of a "flirtatious" nature. The source says they also exchanged texts about "doing it again."

It's unclear whether the woman told Kelly she was pregnant, but she reportedly told investigators she knew the child was Kelly's because she was not having sex with her boyfriend at the time—and because he had a vasectomy. According to one account, he found out about her contact with Kelly after seeing one of their emails, and then confronted Ray Kelly at a public event, telling the Commissioner that his son ruined his girlfriend's life.

“Commissioner Kelly asked him to explain, and the man said he didn’t want to discuss it there, so the commissioner told him to put it in writing and send it to him," NYPD spokesman Paul Browne tells the Post. Mayor Bloomberg told reporters yesterday that he thinks the Commissioner handled the incident appropriately. "I suspect that what happens to Ray Kelly happens to me all the time," Bloomberg said. "People are always, while you're walking through a crowd, saying things. When you get to be my age, you can't hear most of them. So half the time I have no idea what they're talking about, and the answer is: If you have a complaint to write it, and we take every complaint seriously."

Sources (yes, more "sources"!) tell the News the woman is 30 years old and works for a law firm around Wall St. She "graduated from a prestigious Manhattan private school and is the daughter of a prominent lawyer." People who saw her leave the law offices later said she did not appear upset, sources tell the Post. Asked for comment, retired sex crimes prosecutor Linda A. Fairstein says rape accusations that involve alcoholic are "as common as they are difficult to prove." She tells the Times, "Alcohol is a horribly influential factor in these cases when it’s voluntarily ingested. When a victim tells you she can’t remember what happened, it’s very hard to make a case."

Fairstein also told the Daily News that she's spoken to sources involved in the investigation, "This woman doesn't come close to establishing her physical helplessness... I haven't heard anybody establish the elements of a crime."

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  • g devani
    what a pity that his career is ruined...........
  • ray24
    Why didn't she get a DNA sample at the time of the abortion???  It would have then been easy to prove who the baby's daddy really was.  Oh, wait a minute, that would also make it harder to lie about who the baby's daddy was.  Hmm, that's another hole in her story that rape witch-hunting apologists will no doubt gloss over in the interest of rape witch-hunting a male.
  • edgie168
    cool story bro
  • ray24
    This story sounds like the rape witch-hunting of a male that's explained in "Witch-Hunting Males" at Youtube.  http://tinyurl.com/65dpzwu
  • Sounds like an upscale Twana Brawley...making up a crime in order to escape having to escape dealing with the consequences of her own scandalous behavior...For some people it's very hard to admit their own wrongdoings and weakness.I think the boyfreind found out, gave her hell, she tried to deny responsibility for her actions by claiming she was passed out, and therefore the victim of rape. She works in the legal field and I'm sure if she really believed a crime took place, she wouldn't have waited 3 months to report it...Sounds like a very self-centered, selfish woman who has no regard for anyone or the fact she has destroyed the career of a person who worked very hard to obtain success, and now will be forever looked upon as a rapist.  SHAMEFUL!
  • edgie168
    "i don't know all the facts, but let me tell you what really happened..."
  • The zero to sixty between the word "rape" & "lying slut!" is really spooky.  I mean-- heck, the whole soup is dangerously imbalanced by the nature of reporting.  1 in 5 women in America raped, pish-posh, academic study nonsense!  Possibility one rape might not be real?  FRONT PAGE.
  • luke_1
    ""You don’t communicate with someone who raped you," another "law-enforcement source" tells the Post. And these sources say the woman does not remember key details about her encounter with Kelly in the office."

    Speaking of BS, I hope this law enforcement source is a janitor down at the precinct or something because their notions regarding rape are amazingly erroneous. Most rape victims know their perpetrator before the rape, ie. friend, family, colleague, co-worker. They're not going to communicate? Really? This guy is a regular Dick fuckin' Tracy.
  • Brian Mastro
    Hey everyone before criminalizing him remember we hav this great thing called due process of law lets let that play out
  • DukeLax
    What are the chances that this rape accusation is a false rape accusation?? What is the percentage of false rape accusations, as i have heard that the 2% false rape statistic is a faulty statistic.
  • rsjem1979
    Regardless of what happened, this is a charge that is impossible to prove.  I don't know what her motivation was/is, but the fact of the matter is that without a rape kit and immediate report to the police, this is an accusation going absolutely nowhere.  She can't prove the alleged pregnancy was Kelly's, and even if she could, all that really proves is that they had sex, which isn't a crime because at this point she also can't prove she was too drunk to consent or that she told him no.  

    So, what we have are two people under the influence of alcohol having sex in an office, which happens at every holiday party in the world.  There are plenty of people here who want to make more of it than that, but that's the only thing that can be established with any bit of certainty, and it's not a crime.
  • ray24
    "So, what we have are two people under the influence of alcohol having
    sex in an office, which happens at every holiday party in the world."


    I'm not seeing any real indication that he physically forced her, just that they were both drunk and had sex, so why is she not responsible for her actions while drunk - just him?  Ironically, if she had gotten in her car and killed someone she'd be responsible for her actions "behind the wheel" so why is she apparently not responsible for her decision to have sex while drunk?  Treating women like infants in situations like this doesn't bode well for the image of the "I can do anything, self-empowered woman."  From the comments on this thread it looks like women (dare I say feminists) want to promote a big double standard.
  • TCF16
    Unless Kelly admits it. Maybe he gets rattled and says something he didn't plan on. Maybe he is a total nut job and says that she deserved it becasue he bought her drinks ans she owed him.

    Or maybe there is, in fact, security footage indicating something more than just consensual activites.

    Or the DA could find inconsistencies in his story that lead them to believe the woman is a credible complainant and it's worth indicting Kelly.

    Just because it sems from some flimsy newspaper reports that it might end up as a he sais she said situation does not mean that the DA shouldn't fully investigate.

    And just to repeat: If it turns out this is all bullshit that she made up because her boyfriend caught her cheating, she should go to jail for a long, long time.
  • rsjem1979
    Kelly has an attorney who will undoubtedly tell him to keep quiet until this goes away.  He will be present if/when Kelly is questioned.  The reality is that all Kelly needs to say is that they went out, had drinks, she invited him to her office and they had sex.  He doesn't have to prove anything, it's on HER to prove it wasn't consensual, and that's practically impossible 3 months later.  

    They'll investigate this, but I assure you, it's going nowhere.

    Conversely, I'd say there's a very small chance of the accuser facing charges if Kelly doesn't get charged.  Just because there is no evidence to prove his guilt doesn't mean she's necessarily making it up, and my assumption is that Kelly would be happy to be vindicated and have this all just go away.
  • The unfortunate thing is most of these woman who make false rape charges, never face any punishment, because the perception is they have sufferred enough. They also get sympathy as nutcase who probaly have a tortured past, and they need help instead of formal punishment. We as a society must protect or woman and give them the benefit of the doubt.

    The unfair thing here, will be that no matter what, even if it just goes away, Greg Kelly, who makes a very public living will always be looked at as a rapist. He works on a show that is primarily viewed by housewifes, and there will most likely be backlash. Everything he says or his actions will be heavily scrutinized as the public looks for the "AHA, I Knew IT", moment to appear. Unless she is exposed as a complete liar it will be hard for him to continue in his profession.

    There once was a Newsman, many, many years ago name Tex Antoine, he was very popular and worked for ABC out of the New York affiliate. After a newstory about a young girl who was brutely raped, they segued to him before going to commercial, and he makes the crack, "Confucious say, If rape is inevitable, one should lay back and enjoy it"..The funny thing, even as a young child , I just knew this guy just made a huge mistake by saying that, and needless to say he never got a job in the news industry again.
  • TCF16
    I'll probably wait to see how this playes out, rather than take your assurances, but I understand why you feel so strongly it's going nowhere. I wouldn't be surprised if it goes nowhere either. And of course the state has to prove the charges and Kelly doesn't have to disprove them. Luckily for all of us that's how it works!

    If the theory that she did this only because her boyfriend was pissed she was cheating turns out to be true, I actually wouldn't be surprised if she does get busted as the evidence (or lack thereof mounts). Or she might just admit it....like the Hiedi Jones case.

    If I'm Kelly and I know I did nothing wrong, I would want to be vindicated, not just have this go away.  I could see waiting until the DA exonerates me and then doing a media blitz, but I would consider just going on TV immediately to say "No, she lied, this was 100% consensual and I did absolutely nothing wrong. She should go to jail for lying."


  • ray24
    "If I'm Kelly and I know I did nothing wrong, I would want to be vindicated, not just have this go away."

    I'd also want the false accuser prosecuted to the full extent of the law to send a message to stop the rape witch-hunting of males.  http://tinyurl.com/5hepmv
  • whitecastlerock
    I have my doubts–I always thought he preferred dudes...
  • Ok its coming clear what happened here:  THey had consensual sex, she found out she was preggers and had an abortion.  SHe probably asked him for help/$, he said how can you know it was mine - no way.  So she made this false claim to get back at him.  Id bet thats how it went down.
  • Rocknrope
    Anyone ever know someone who was accused of rape because they were caught cheating?  I do, and it sucked royally for the dude.  Basically it stayed with him through college, although it eased when people realized she was a nutjob in addition to being a trollop.
  • edgie168
    was she hot, though?
  • fsrq
    Sorry with the facts that are known (granted there could be more) this accusation does not pass the smell test.

    Her claim is that after meeting Kelly for drinks and bringing Kelly to her office (because her BF was home), he rapes her in an office building (where there is usually security people, cameras, etc and  likely other attorney's/employees working) and then she remains in contact with Kelly and only reports the crime after 3mo After her BF fiends Kelly's number in her phone and the BF confronts the police commissioner (can you say crazy BF - who would do this)....
  • edgie168
    as someone else posted previously: "i don't know all the facts but let me tell you what i think really happened.."
  • TCF16
    She and her boyfriend aren't exclusive. Or they're fighting. Or Greg Kelly was on her list of 10 celebrities she was allowed to cheat with, or whatver. In any case, it's no crime to go on a date with a quasi-celebrity. Drinks and they're feeling frisky but both apartments are off limits for whatver reason. She says my office is nearby, let's go there to fool around/I have to go to the bathroom/pick up something from work before we go to your place.

    They are in her office with no security camera inside. he rapes her outright. Or they fool around and she passes out and wakes up to him raping her. Or any number of scenarios where she did not consent. She is stunned, ins disbelief, horrified. Shocked. he is acting totally normal as if she DID consent to it.

    They leave together or alone. He texts her and acts normal. She tries to pretend it didn't happen and texts back as if everything is ok.

    She acts like an emotional cripple over the next few months (as one of her friends stated). Includining the abortion.

    Let's say BF is a nice guy. He finally gets her to tell him what the hell has been wrong with her. 

    She says the guy who raped me is the police commissioner's son and on Fox 5 in the morning.

    I have no idea what I would do if I was him, but I could see wanting to go straight to the top with this rather than walk into my local precinct. Smart? Stuipid? Crazy? Dangerous? I don't know.  But a possible genuine reaction? Yes.
  • @TCF16, Wow you build an outstanding case here. If you aren't already a lawyer, you should be one.I'd hire you in a heartbeat. The only problem you will having is proving her credibility.Usually credible people dont get so sloppy drunk that they pass out on their desk, after meeting a guy in the street and taking him there because she can't take him home, because her boyfreind is there.
    I admit Kelly's behavior is kinda creepy, at 43 yrs old and with what he has to lose you would think that he wouldn't put himself in this situaution..Thats something you would expect of two irresponsible college kids.And  not using a rubber, if what she alledges to be true about being impregnated by Kelly.@TCF16:disqus 

    I think the case will come down to the tone and contents of the text messages. I don't believe there is anyway she can prove the fetus belonged to Kelly, is there? Unless there are cameras , and there should be in Manhatten supporting her contentions, it doesn't seem likely she can prove her claims.

    I hate to bash an alleged victim of Rape, it unfortunately happens too often where someone makes an invalid claim in order to cover up their own impropriorties.

     I watch Fox Five in the morning, and while Kelly sometimes comes off smug and sometimes crass, he often makes me laugh as he banters with Roseanne Scotto. Needless to say whether he is proven innocent or guilty, this controvery will most likely end his career. As a newsman his credibilty is irreversibly damaged..The number one credo for a newsman is "To report the news, Not the become it"
     
    If Kelly is proven guilty, may the full weight of the legal system give him it's harshest punishment...If this is a Hoax, I hope there is a way for Kelly to get retribution thruough the court of law for the damage it has done to his reputation and career.
  • I must admit this is a very plausible and well thought out response. However, many women become emotional cripples after abortions regardless of how they got pregnant.
  • TCF16
    If she became an emotional cripple after she had the abortion and not after the night she went out with him, that would certainly ad more evidence to the theory that this is all BS.

    Anyway, the DA source, if it is a high level source, should be fired for incompetence if that statement represents their true beliefs. Moron.
  • Peanut_Butter
    Linda Fairstein is as good as they come in this field.  If she says she hasn't heard anyone establish the elements of a crime, you're pretty much done, stick a fork in you.
  • LICnative
    As a tv "journalist", Greg is guilty of the same crimes he now finds himself a victim of. How many times have a mere allegation, inuendo or a false report generated a gaggle of reporters at some innocents home where they camp out, stick microphones into the face of the family or chase the accused down the street?

    From what I've seen so far, it's going to be hard to get an indictment, much less a conviction. Maybe when all is said and done, Greg might have a different perspective of stalker journalism.
  • hotstepper
    retired sex crimes prosecutor Linda A. Fairstein says rape accusations that involve alcoholic are "as common as they are difficult to prove." 
    how dare she slander the good name of alcoholics?! we are a peaceful, fun-loving people!
  • Although, as many of you stated we dont know any of the facts except was has been reported to us, the whole things smells fishy. I agree, she got caught and had no way out but to put the blame on Greg Kelly. All I can say is if she has falsely accused him she MUST be prosecuted herself. Its bad enought there are real rapist and victims in the world but to make up such a story is disgusting. She should pay in monetary for the time that has been waisted and then jail time, not probation for slander and false criminal accusations.
  • In theory that's a good idea, in practice it would set a horrible precedent
  • zombiebob
    How would this be a horrible precedent anymore than a man who is falsely accused of rape being prosecuted because of a false/flimsy claim?
  • It would discourage victims from coming forward
  • Jonathan Taylor
    Quite frankly Elizabeth, I'm sick of people like you who believe that the
    well-being of our daughters is more valuable than the well-being of our
    sons. It is the responsibility of victims of crimes to bring charges against their perpetrators. For years, the idea of "it will discourage rape victims from coming forward!" has been used as a sword to cut through every means of due process and justice for those falsely accused of rape.

    Either we will prosecute perpetrators of both rape and false rape accusations, or we prosecute neither. That's called equality, as opposed to the female supremacism you seem to be advocating.

    You do believe in equality, don't you?
  • PLUS, she will now likely get fired for having sex in her office.  Most employers frown on that.  (Not sure why, actually, IMHO.)
  • WorksInDUMBO
    Just out of curiosity, was he on the show this morning? I'm wondering how that went.
  • dianken
    He was not on today or yesterday.
  • Timon_8
    "It's unclear whether the woman told Kelly she was pregnant, but she
    reportedly told investigators she knew the child was Kelly's because she
    was not having sex with her boyfriend at the time—and because he had a
    vasectomy"

    That still doesn't mean it was Kelly's.  Who knows how many other guys she's been banging?  It appears she can hardly be relied upon for an accurate count.
  • GregJG
    Wow...
  • HappilyBookish
    Suggesting that a rape accuser is promiscuous is tediously predictable and incredibly misogynistic.
  • P
    But she's a cheat, right?  Whether or not she intended to have sexual relations her actions still make one question her credibility.
  • picaflor
    " Whether or not she intended to have sexual relations her actions still make one question her credibility."

    Wow. So, what you are saying is that even if she was raped, she's still a cheater and therefore, Timon_8 is right.
  • HappilyBookish
    Yeah, the suggestion above is that IF a woman is unfaithful to her partner (which is NOT necessarily the case here), she cannot be trusted to tell the truth about being raped.

    That's like saying that if you are mugged at knifepoint, no one should believe your story because you pursue archery as a hobby. Because duh, you like knives and therefore you must have sought out a perp with a knife.
  • funnyface8375
    Interesting analogy. Here's another. Your landlord asks why you haven't paid rent this month. You allege that you were mugged at knifepoint 3 months ago. Landlord says, since I know you've been banging other dudes when your husband is out of the apartment and that makes you capable of deception and deviousness, I'm going to need you to report the mugging if you want me to forgive the debt.
  • Amber
    "She and her boyfriend aren't exclusive. Or they're fighting. Or Greg Kelly was on her list of 10 celebrities she was allowed to cheat with, or whatever. " In any case, you're making a lot of assumptions, and her credibility shouldn't be called into question just because she had drinks with the guy. If that was the norm, why wasn't DSK's credibility called into question when he stood accused of rape, considering he's notorious for sexual harassment/cheating/womanizing?
  • edgie168
    because he's a old white french dude and everybody knows old white dudes are incapable of raping women younger than them, let alone being a french male who's heterosexual.

    or something.

    (did i cover everything?)
  • "Hahaha What a slut!"

    Chaaaaaaaaaarming
  • theevilerone
    Opting for the office hookup because you can't bring him home because your boyfriend is there? Oy. This story gets weirder and weirder.
  • ktinnyc
    I don't know the truth here but maybe we should start protecting the identity of alleged perpetrators of these crimes until at least charges are brought forth by the DA. These allegations will follow someone for the rest of their lives even if proven to be untrue.
  • SeasTooFarToReach
    I agree. Who brought this information to the press if he's not even charged yet? I would love to know. There's clearly some malicious intent on their part.
  • mlleBeth
    It's a great idea in theory, innocent until proven guilty, I'm not sure our society as it is today is capable of following that tenent.
  • ktinnyc
    I'm not even asking for until proven guilty but how about until charged?
  • felixthecat
    Basically the accused rapists are protected unless they are well-known figures or the crime was atrocious enough for media attention.  it is part of celebrity life.  I have no sympathy for them.  it is a double edge sword
  • AuntySemantic
    So celebrities forfeit their rights just because they're famous?
  • mlleBeth
    who is protected? I've never seen any rape suspect 'protected' they are marched out for a perp walk as soon as the media gets a hold of it. I don't understand why you can ruin someones life with an accusation. If it's true then by all means vilify him, but if there is no arrest, the investigation hasn't been completed and the story doesn't add up on the surface, why is it so easy to destroy somebody's life? Things like this never go away even if he ends up being exonerated.
  • felixthecat
    The accused rapist. Many accused rapist facing trial but we won't know who they are.  This case only hit the fan because the accused is the son of the commissioner and is on TV.
  • If the person is less famous, maybe it does not hit the headlines.Only page 3. So what, for the rest of your life one can google rape stories when checking your name.

    Or maybe it gets headlines, anyway. Like the Hofstra false rape accusation accusing some unknown students.
  • edgie168
    okay you're waaaaay too lucid for me today, you can't possibly be "the" felixthecat.

    who are you, pretender, and what have you done with the REAL felixthecat?!?!?
  • Or if the alleged victim is a minor.
  • Rocknrope
    Release the texts!
  • Fronko
    Not having enough evidence to prosecute a crime is not the same thing as saying no crime was committed.  Kelly may be totally innocent.  He may be totally guilty.  Either way, Vance learned his lesson with DSK - unless there's not a single shred of doubt in the case, don't prosecute someone rich, powerful, and connected.
  • This.  Rape accusations are incredibly hard to prove, especially well after the alleged incident took place.  Unfortunately victims are often kept silent through fear and shame. 

    Last time I had jury duty I was put in the pool for a murder case.  I found out that it was one of two major cases that day, the other being a rape case.  I was actually relieved to be in the murder case pool.
  • TCF16
    Man, it is incredibly, incredibly disturbing to have someone in the DA's office say that "you don't communicate with someone who rapes you."

    So that's one of the litmus tests to determine if someone was raped? Communication = did not get raped?

    There are so many obvious exceptions to this "rule", like when a husband rapes a wife or an adult rapes a child.

    But even just taking the Kelly situation, it is well within the realm of probability that this woman was raped and still communicated with Kelly to some degree.

    Rape is an incredible trauma and people react to it in different ways. It is not unusual for victims to try and downplay it in their own mind or even block it out to the point where they can still communicate with the rapist.

    OBVIOUSLY the DA should look at all the evidence to determine if the woman is credible, inclouding the nature of the texts, the boyfriend's involvement and whether this stems from his anger at her "cheating", her demeanor, Greg Kelly's version of events, security footage, witnesses, etc. .

    OBVIOUSLY ongoing "flirtatious" communication COULD be a sign that her claims are not valid. 

    BUT they could just as easily be a "normal" response to trauma.

    To automatically dismiss her claims because she communicated with Kelly shows a woeful lack of understanding and sensitivity to how people react to something as major as rape.
  • ray24
    I think this DA's actions/comments show a keen perception to the rape witch-hunting of males, that's going on everyday in America under the guise of the feminist agenda as shown in Witch-Hunting Males at Youtube.  http://tinyurl.com/65dpzwu


  • Jessica Jones
    Well, you certainly don't say, "Let's do it again!"
  • The story didn't say she said that.  He could have said it and who knows what her response was.
  • Amber
    You're assuming she said that. There's no identifiable source (so it's probably bullshit), and no actual texts have been released.
  • whiteiris
    So what's the time limit in your estimation for a woman to accuse someone of rape. You don't seem to think it odd she allegedly communicated flirtatiously, I'm sure the texts will be revealed any day now, after the fact since it's a normal response to trauma. Is it ok to wait 6 months, one year? She managed to have an abortion and yet still remained silent about rape?
    Nobody is automatically dismissing this case, quite the contrary. He is well known as is his father and lots of people would like to bring both of them down.

    His reputation is already ruined just by the accusation. What's disturbing is women get to accuse men of rape without their identity being revealed and their reputation being damaged. If she turns out to be lying then they need to bring charges against her and throw her in jail. He on the other hand will be forever known as the anchorman who had rape charges against him.
  • TCF16
    There are time limits in place to prevent prevent someone from being charged for a crime if too much time has gone by -- statutes of limitations. Those are in place due to concerns with evidence and testimony accuracy, not because once a certain amount of time has gone by, you can be assured that a "real" victim would have definitely reported a crime. There should be no limit on when you can accuse someone. Credibility, evidence, motive and all of the other factors will determine whether the accusation holds any water.

    Why would you think that having an abortion automatically means she should have reported the rape? Assuming she was raped, she was probably fully aware that the circumstances of her case were weak and that's why she didn't report it. Ther is no connection.

    It's obvious that anyone who is proven to have falsely accused someone of rape should be given significant jail time.  I don't think anyone is advocating otherwise. But if you look at the simple numbers, what is disturbing is the number of women who are DEFINITELY, 100% RAPED. Is that more or less disturbing than the MUCH smaller percentage of men who are falsely accused of rape? Kind of a stupid argument to have.

    Rape victims often communicate with their attacker as a way of trying to mitigate the circumstances in their own mind. Sometimes they do this to try and get the attacker to admit the crime. This woman's communications with Kelly could have fallen into either category.

    Look, it's possible that she is full of shit and this is all stems from having an insanely jealous boyfriend. But the point is that her actions could EASILY be the actions of a real victim. 

    And the DA should know this, if they don't already. 
  • whiteiris
    "she was probably fully aware that the circumstances of her case were weak and that's why she didn't report it."

    Sorry, I don't buy it. How many people were around in her office? Security guards, cameras, door men? If you were raped then why assume your case is weak, you go right to the police/hospital for a rape kit. Then you build your case from there, any physical marks bruises whatever. Letting 3 months go including a pregnancy looks bad. If she assumed her case was weak right after it happened then why would it be any better 3 months later.

    I'm not saying she is lying but she didn't do herself any good waiting 3 months, flirting in texts, having an abortion then reporting the rape.

    "There should be no limit on when you can accuse someone."

    That statement is absurd. Guys can be accused 2-3 10 years after sleeping with a woman. People will need to bring their lawyers on dates. Please sign here, and here that you will not accuse my client 20 years from now of rape.
    That will be 500.00.
  • FDTW
    I'm pretty sure a rape victim's first thought after being raped is not "Gosh, what a weak case I have, I better go to the hospital and have a doctor poke around a bit."

    She might be lying, she might not, A) It's the police/DA's job to make that call, not ours, and B) the only way to find out is to examine the evidence- which I doubt the DA has had time to do in the last 48 hours.

    Unfortunately, now that the court of public opinion is in session it's unlikely Kelly or his accuser will get anything close to a fair trial.

    Also, everyone saying, "I don't have all the facts, BUT..." is an ass.  Just because your female studies professor told you all men are rapists in every situation because THEY HAVE ALL THE POWER, or because your caveman outlook on life tells you that every woman is a gold-digging money grubbing whore who was asking for it doesn't make either true.
  • GregJG
    Wtf are babbling on about?
  • edgie168
    i'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that you have absolutely no idea how rape affects a victim.

    this isn't law & order: svu

    in fact, i'm going to kindly ask you to shut the fuck up.
  • funnyface8375
    Whiteiris has just as much of an idea as you do edgie. Whether both, either, or neither of you has ever been raped, everyone reacts differently to a traumatic assault so in all actuality no one can be certain how this particular victim was affected. By your philosophy you should shut the fuck up as well - all of us should, but this is America little girl, and we are all equally entitled to anonymous whining and moral grandstanding. Deal with it or stay off of the web.
  • edgie168
    Cool story bro, tell it again
  • felixthecat
    agreed but DA Cy Vance should go back to California.  He screwed up enough cases.  It should have been Leslie Crocker Synder as DA not his blond ambulance chase from the West coast.
  • youngpro
    the ONLY reason you wanted Snyder is because of her animal rights views; nothing else.
  • AGWAGW
    What is this well-reasoned, articulate post doing here? Where are the "all cops are pigs", "why isn't this about bicycles?", and "b*tch had it coming" posts? I feel a bit adrift.
  • P
    On the flip side she could be taking advantage of the fact that he is celebrity.  Rape is a horrible crime and what you say completely makes sense.  On the flip side, so is falsely accusing someone of a rape, which could also be traumatic in it's own way for the accused.
  • John_Del_Signore
    It bears repeating that we don't know where this "source" works, and it doesn't seem to be a D.A. source. Could be Viane Delgado for all we know.
  • felixthecat
    Or it could be Newt' s personal friends and witnesses?
  • TCF16
    it's a good point, but I think it's still likely that this mentaility is prevalent throughout the DA's office and the Police Department.  Both the Da and the PD should be trained (if they aren't already) to recognize and understand the full spectrum of "normal" responses to rape.
  • It definitely depends on the context of the communication though. From the little we do know though, it doesn't seem likely it was rape (at first glance).

    All we know is she texted him about "doing it again."
  • Not necessarily true.  The story said they exchanged texts about doing it again.  That means he could have texted her about it.  Who knows what her response was.
  • HappilyBookish
    Well put.
  • AaronRed99
    Well Cy Vance can't win a rape case anyway.
  • EdwardAmame
    What does it all mean? Who knows what it all means, but there probably won't be a Mayor Ray Kelly now.
  • edgie168
    One can hope.
  • Sounds more like the b/f caught her cheating, she panicked, and claimed rape
  • GregJG
    Yup
  • Sluggo1407
    I was thinking the same thing.  Anyhow, after reading the story, none of it adds up.  What a beeyach!!!
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