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Chris Christie: Blacks' Voting Rights Should Have Been Decided By Southern White Voters

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Maybe Oprah needs to have another sit down with Chris Christie?

Chris Christie has vowed to veto any gay marriage bill that passes his desk—causing him political headaches since it looks like he may have to put that vow to the test. Also giving the roly-poly governor of New Jersey headaches? A comment he made earlier this week suggesting white Southerners should have been allowed to vote civil rights gains for blacks during the 1960s. Let's just say some people respectfully disagree with the presumed 2016 GOP presidential candidate.

See, as part of his push to have New Jersey voters vote on gay marriage in a referendum (so that he doesn't have to be on the record vetoing or not vetoing gay marriage) Christie said: "The fact of the matter is, I think people would have been happy to have a referendum on civil rights rather than fighting and dying in the streets in the South." But would they have?

Newark mayor Cory Booker, to name just one of a chorus of Christie critics, certainly didn't agree with the sentiment. "I shudder to think what would have happened if the civil rights gains, heroically established by courageous lawmakers in the 1960s, were instead conveniently left up to popular votes in our 50 states," he said.

But Christie isn't backing down, even if he is changing his wording. At another presser he told reporters, "My point is, they’re trying to say the only way to deal with a civil rights issue is through legislation, and my point is that in a state like this, the fact of the matter is their own polling [which shows 52 percent support for gay marriage] belies that position."

And yet the point remains that, as Assemblyman John Wisiewski puts it, "Rosa Parks didn’t get to the front of the bus through a ballot question and Jim Crow laws weren’t repealed by public referendum."

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  • Once again, a white man in a big position in a suit does not always know what he is taking about.
  • I cannot believe that Oprah let this slob say what he said and did not take his refreshments from him.  Especially since she is over 50 and from Mississippi.  Any Black person over the age of 50 and from anywhere in the South knows that White people would have voted 100 percent to keep Black people in slavery.  They were just pure evil towards Black people in the 50s and 60s.  The slob cannot erase history.
  • dogbertt
    Why is he wearing a tent?
  • Spuds McCorpuck
    Chris Christie's comment just speaks to the fact that he does not know how a Republic works.
    http://paranoidpolitico.blogsp...
  • Ah, liberals. Every time I hear a chorus of liberal progressives advocating for no-name calling and an end to bullying I have to but arrive at a forum wherein an overweight Republican is being discussed in order to see how utterly vacant your meaningless platitudes are.

    Thank you so very, very much for reminding me why I left the liberal left in the first place.

    I got sick of the hypocrisy and utter lack of integrity.

    Just so we're clear, making fun of overweight people it wrong.
    Making fun of overweight Republicans is totally ok.

    Queue pedantic and pathetic progressive liberal rationalization.
  • kenorasis
    Yes, internet forums are a great place to prove your point about people generally -- because whatever your point is, you can prove it. And if you can't prove it with the available content, just create a sock puppet and create the evidence yourself. It's wonderful! It should be allowed in court...
  • I'm with you in saying that the weight mockery is out of place.  That being said, some jerks on a website calling a guy fat?  Is why you stopped being liberal?  I mean-- this guy is saying that he thinks having a civil war to stop SLAVERY was a bad idea.  I'm just saying...if you are looking for "mean things people said," I think "I am a legislator discussing equality & civil rights & I think letting people vote on who gets freedom is a great idea, & by the way I definitely am including a cryptoracist commentary just so you know I mean it!" versus "I am an anonymous troll on the internet namecalling" isn't a balanced comparison.
  • ANGRYGOD11
    On further reflection, maybe he isn't stupid. Maybe he is just a gutless political coward who would prefer to pass the buck to "the people" than take a stand detrimental to his political future. He is well aware NY's legislature and the governor legally changed things and is too gutless to lead or block.
    NJ is not a referendum friendly state, like California.
  • Good ole "Stupid...or Evil...or Both!"
  • theonlyseven
    No, he is not stupid if the thinks that by passing the buck to the voters he can give the impression he has no hand in what eventually goes down.  But he is VERY stupid if he doesn't realize that any rational person will see right through that ploy.  Also, he must be aware that recent polls show the majority of NJ voters approve of gay marriage.
  • randomtransplant
    Would Christie want the 4.2 million multi-racial American Children, a 50% increase in only 10 years, to have been BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK BY LAW?!
    (
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03... )To be clear, Christie wants OTHER PEOPLE DECIDING IF YOU CAN GET MARRIED OR NOT with this referendum. In a "melting pot" state like New Jersey.I went to a mixed-race wedding in Jersey just this last August. Christie wants STRANGERS to have the power to decide if my brother in law has the right to marry whom he wants. 

    He wants my gay cousin, a 25 year old man, a damn mature good man, who takes two afternoons out of his week to watch my nephew - He wants my cousin, a citizen of New Jersey, not to be able to marry.

    Fuck this fucking fat fuck. Blood runs alot deeper than politics.  

    Makes me want to pull a Bleeding Kansas and register to vote in Jersey just to keep him out of office.
  • BrassMonkeyBallz
    just looking at that picture makes me have indigestion.
  • ANGRYGOD11
    Christe is stupider than I thought. The violence that happened in the civil rights era is nothing compared to what happened in other nearby areas where minorities were legally discriminated by the majority. Or maybe the idiot never hear of violence in Quebec or southern Mexico.
  • LtWorf
    Putting the question up to the people doesn't make whatever answer they give right, or wrong. Referendums are probably the most useless form of any democratic process I have ever seen. You elect representatives to make the supposedly wise decisions for the people, even the decisions that don't exactly jive with the electorate. This is why state government in California is in such Gridlock.

    If we used his logic, civil rights would've been granted to black Americans in the south probably in the 80's. Its the Tyranny of the Majority as most people wanted to keep the status quo. This is about what's right and whats wrong.

    This is not a full Democracy but Constitutional Republic. Its about time Christie learns that.
  • A lot of people need to learn that this country was founded as and is a constitutional republic and democracy is not how most levels of government function
  • TrollyMcTrollington
    Aw, fuck it, let's just go back to a monarchy. Voting is annoying anyway.
  • WHO

    RULES

    BARTERTOWN?
  • Bernie_Geotz_Squirrel_Luv
    Fat fuck is a fat fuck.
    He still can't lose any weight, no will power at all, might as well wire his jaw shut, kill 2 birds with one stone.
  • Asshole.  He's only doing this so he can preserve a chance to run for his party in 2016, say he was against Marriage equality and "blame" the people of New Jersey.  Asshole.
  • felixthecat
    So this fat fuck ignore the will of the people in bear hunts and permitted white inbreed trash to kill baby bears.   This fat fuck ignore the will of the people in budget cuts and yet he wants civil rights voted on?  HELLO FAT FUCK. Read the Constitution fat fuck.  Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness applies to ALL.  No vote needed.  Just undo the unconsitutinional discriminatory laws.
  • I am pretty sure non-white people hunt too; way to be racist. By the way I didn't mean to like your comment.
  • masterjarvis
    you have a truly incredible talent for turning any and all conversations into an animal rights issue.  Its like someone could be talking about the legend of zelda or plate tectonics or the theory of relativity and you can some how twist that into a dialogue about the rights of animals.  Is this something that you do in real life or just a persona you take on when commenting on gothamist?  You are a very strange and interesting person and I think that a case study should be done on you.
  • ktinnyc
    This is the end of the month Felix I've come to expect. It's like clockwork.
  • HymietownHero
    He has to hit his crazy quota or his adopted strays will strongly reprimand him.
  • felixthecat
    lol
  • felixthecat
    what?
  • Unkle_Bob
    what?
  • what?
  • What what in the butt!

    (wait this is not a gay joke)
  • Referencing memes works out okay!
  • aloveston
    Let's make this man President.
  • ktinnyc
    Sure as long as we have Elizabeth Warren as Vice President because he wouldn't last 6 months and then we could have President Warren.
  • Amber
    Elizabeth Warren in 2016!
  • jibbly
    I would vote for her faster than you can say "fuck yeah".
  • randomtransplant
    I would vote for her faster than you could say "fuck GOP".
  • zombiebob
    This whole gays not being able to marry in a church or be married by the state thing is so NOT equivalent to the whole Blacks being treated like dogs in the south thing. There is SO little equivalency.
  • I'm a straight white guy-- so, for what my opinion is worth-- I think the more apt comparison is to the bans on interracial marriage.  I realize that trying to compare one civil rights struggle to another is a tricky thing, & personally I try to stay away from it, but people aren't comparing gay civi rights to slavery*, they are comparing them to segregation.

    (* except people like Christie & Rand Paul, which is weird.)
  • shogan83
    No one is saying they are 'equivalent' but they are both violations of their civil rights.
  • JoshNY
    The church part is pretty far from equivalent.  The courthouse marriage is a lot more similar.
  • shogan83
    Both are, I would think.  Churches can refuse to marry a gay couple in states that recognize marriage between homosexual individuals just like there are still churches in the south that refuse to marry interracial couples.
  • SPsGhost
    He makes Oprah look like a swimsuit model.
  • Yea, I bet she feels like a supermodel, big girl jeans notwithstanding, of course.....
  • ktinnyc
    You do realize he's sitting in a loveseat and not an armchair, right? (God, I hate myself for shooting a fat fish in a barrel)
  • EdwardAmame
    I wonder what was left on the craft services table after that interview.
  • The table cloth
  • Nope Christie took that to the bathroom
  • BrassMonkeyBallz
    it was his napkin.
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