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Are Brooklyn And Portland Actually The Same Place?

Earlier this week, we were strong-armed into watching Brokelandia—but not everyone was impressed with the Brooklyn-based response to Portlandia, the love letter to artisanal knit cap-wearing locavore hipsters. The Frisky was particularly riled up by it, and came up with the above Venn diagram to demonstrate just how dumb and surface-level the comparisons have gotten at this point. Either that, or they're making an even deeper point about the space-time continuum.

For you see, (Western) Brooklyn and Portland are an example of the relativity of the space-time continuum, where the same place can exist at two separate geographical points. As Wikipedia so helpfully explains:

When a space-like interval separates two events, not enough time passes between their occurrences for there to exist a causal relationship crossing the spatial distance between the two events at the speed of light or slower. Generally, the events are considered not to occur in each other's future or past. There exists a reference frame such that the two events are observed to occur at the same time, but there is no reference frame in which the two events can occur in the same spatial location.

Instead of rejecting that space-time break, we should embrace the fact that thriving indigenous Etsy-based cultures can exist at multiple places at once! This idea is one of the major pillars of globalization—who needs to go to Disney Land when they have Times Square? And we can't let a few Maggie Gyllenhaal's get in the way of that progress.

Of course, this is just our interpretation of the Brooklyn/Portland paradigm presented above. Maybe what we really need is a new TV show called "TVlandia" where hip 20-somethings discuss things they saw on TV programs and use TV as a jumping off point to discuss the world around them and extrapolate the relative merits of culture between things that are basically the same.

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  • nicholasian
    Isn't Bjork a more impressive/interesting resident than Maggie Gyllenhaal?
  • Hipster is a funny word. In my day we just said "narcissist," so there was no confusion about the meaning. Oh, and a bunch of white people talking about how Williamsburg is "Brooklyn" — are not only racially moronic, they are pretty much the problem. It's basically like "I drink in 'Brooklyn' on the weekend, but all the neighborhoods people actually live and work in don't exist... because I'm a white wannabe douchebag."


    Thanks for listening. Now go back to listening to your shitty music. Biggie is from Brooklyn. And he's got more life a decade after his death than all the name-dropping consumers of your little bourgie enclave put together.
  • CG
    Hip hop is for douchebags.
  • This isn't Brooklyn, this isn't even NYC; man I hate venn diagrams
  • horsechoker
    Yo I really don't like hipsters.
  • wow! stereotypes are awesome!
  • Brian Mastro
    What about us normal Brooklynites. Born and raised nothing on that list describes me
  • pendejito
    Fuck Portland. Why is anyone even comparing it to Brooklyn?

    Just to get a rep.......
  • discogarage
    They forgot to put that there are all different shades of non-white people in brooklyn as well as asians and a diverse sampling of whites (hasid's, russians, etc.) - Portland is pretty much all white people.
  • 69GeorgeWBush69
    New York City has jobs
  • Chick Blao
    You mean gentrified, northwest Brooklyn that has a ton of temporary residents.  Yes, I agree.  The ignorance of calling that small sect THE representation of "Brooklyn" is astounding!
  • bggb
    Yup.
  • But they think they are so edgy and influential. They invented bike lanes, they must represent all of Brooklyn
  • CG
    I lived in Portland in the late 90's and Brooklyn for the past 5 years; there are some similarities, but I don't know how deep they really are; I definitely do not feel like I am still living in Portland!
  • TeddyNYC
    Hipster men in Brooklyn - Ambiguously employed bearded men with pretentious music taste in a state of malaise. Anyone reading this fit that description?



  • pillow_case
    Fuck Portland and all the people who make Brooklyn seem like Portland. I live in Brooklyn cuz it's close to the city. If I could live in the city... I would!
  • Relaxasaurus
    I think this is exactly how the Tupac / Biggie feud started... aren't you quoting a Biggie song verbatim?
  • pdxisdead
    The rent was cheap until everyone started fucking moving here. Love the rainforest? Then don't build houses in it, thanks.
  • what you said
  • I've heard it said that Minneapolis and Portland are twin cities, not Brooklyn and Portland. Brooklyn generally lacks laid back hippies, coffee shops,  and food co-ops (due perhaps to the insanely high cost of rent).
  • I have heard it said that Minneapolis and St. Paul are twin cities
  • Jereremy
    When I lived in Minneapolis, they didn't claim St. Paul.  They called it "Shelbyville."
  • Does that make Minneapolis Springfield or Capitol City?
  • MattyGC
    and at least people have style here, portland, not so much...
  • MattyGC
    that should be changed to "Affordable Rent/New York City"
  • Dennis sinneD
    Ahem.
  • Even in Western Brooklyn (to say nothing about the rest of Brooklyn), there are black people. Portland felt like the whitest city I've ever been to. Except maybe in Asia.
  • bggb
    Correct. It is by far the biggest difference.
  • tim_f
    I believe it is something like 93% white. It's even whiter than Seattle.
  • TWaller
    Dude, Seattle is yellow, not white. And I LOVED it there :)
  • BrassMonkeyBallz
    Hipsters = Zombies.

    Run to the hills. Hipsters are not athletic enough to climb.
  • If they happen to be carrying a broom and you happen to be wearing yellow you're SOL no matter how high that hill is.
  • BrassMonkeyBallz
    zombies not Bees. Besides, I don't wear yellow. yellow is for pansies.
  • I was referring to Quidditch.
  • BrassMonkeyBallz
    sorry I don't do Harry Potter.
  • Me neither, but I know too much about Quidditch from reading Gothamist.
  • TheRealCannibal
    Stop trying to make me throw up, I just ate lunch
  • While the notation of (Western) is appreciated.

    This story is still describing aspects that take up about 1/5 of all of Brooklyn

    I doubt the fine gentlemen at a knights of columbus club in Bay Ridge would appreciate this carpetbagger bullshit reporting.

    And people from Portland might note the fact you left off the 2 aspects of living in that city you can't avoid - strip clubs and unemployment.
  • FDTW
    Every time someone compares Hipster Paradise Brooklyn to Hipster Paradise Portland they conveniently leave out the 95% of people/place/activities/everything that don't fit the stereotypes.
    Sure, maybe the authors of these articles have only been to Williamsburg and SE Portland (which says something about the authors more than the inhabitants) but Portland and Brooklyn are not defined by their hipster populations.

    The meth-and-hooker mecca of SE 82nd Ave, the obnoxiously rich enclaves of the West Hills and Lake Oswego, the suburban sprawl along HWY 26 west, the former hippie parents and hippies-in-in-training around Reed College, the yuppie paradise of the Pearl, and the homeless youth encampment that is/used to be Pioneer Square aren't hip.  

    The number of neighborhoods in Brooklyn (constituting the vast majority of the borough) that aren't Williamsburg and Park Slope are too numerous to list, but anyone who has taken a train past Bedford should be able to name at least a half dozen.

    Just because these self-hating hipster blog authors got winded before they could fixed-gear two blocks out of the artesian-handmade-locally-sourced-more-stereotypes-blah-blah-blah neighborhood they visited/live in doesn't mean the rest of Brooklyn and Portland don't exist.
  • horsechoker
    Gothamist authors are hipsters. F em!
  • GentleGiant
    You may be taking this issue a bit too seriously.
  • FDTW
    Well none of my friends will listen to me rant about this personal pet peeve so I have no choice to impose myself on the internet.
  • learnedpaw
    No, it's Portland and Austin that are the same.
  • I went to Local 61 in BK last week, overpaid for average beer, received generally lazy service from SUPER friendly trendy people, watch two people order coffee AT NIGHT, and overhead a twenty minute conversation about bicycles. Could've happened anywhere in Southeast Portland.
  • GentleGiant
    Oh, noes, not coffee at night!
  • robingee
    What about sunglasses at night??
  • I fucking love Queens.
  • RobertMosesSupposesErroneously
    Same here! But I have a feeling they're coming for us soon....
  • seattlesnow
    Sunnyside is so the new Greenpoint
  • RobertMosesSupposesErroneously
    Why just this summer an expensive artisanal grilled cheese cafe with vintage furniture and STUMPTOWN COFFEE opened on my street in Astoria.

    My low rent is dooooomed.
  • When they held some sort of mustache contest a few months ago, I feared for all of us
  • RobertMosesSupposesErroneously
    Well then in ten years we can be the old guys who sit on our stoops and yell at whatever the 2022 version of hipsters are.
  • Oh my god that will be us.

    And yes that place which will remain unnamed is hipster heaven... although I have been known to indulge every now and then because it is delicious.
  • RobertMosesSupposesErroneously
    It is delicious! And to be fair, that part of Steinway did need a hangout spot between the library and that creepy militaria antiques store that smells like cats.
  • I've always wanted to go in there! They have awesome guns hanging in the window!
  • BrassMonkeyBallz
    if that Apple store pops up in Forest Hills, Queens is doomed.
  • GentleGiant
    Let me get this straight.  When the things that Brooklyn has in common with Portland are compared to the things that Portland has in common with Brooklyn it is found that Brooklyn and Portland have many things in common?
  • TheRealCannibal
    Its common in that half of Portland now lives in brooklyn
  • ThreeAndNine
    "to demonstrate just how dumb and surface-level the comparisons have gotten at this point. Either that, or they're making an even deeper point about the space-time continuum."

    Either that, or they're making a joke.

    By the way, everything in the middle part of that diagram can also be found in San Franciso, Lincoln NE, Albuquerque NM, Albany NY, and Bangor ME. OK, Stumptown hasn't yet opened in all of those places, so some of their "hipsters" are still settling for Starbucks.
  • robingee
    I'm thinking Seattle, Athens GA, Austin TX, Silver Lake CA.
  • Definitely Athens, GA.  It's just a little Williamsburg but with cheaper drinks and rednecks instead of Jews
  • ThreeAndNine
    Probably those too. I was only citing places I have first-hand experience with. The point is that none of these things are exclusive to Brooklyn and Portland.
  • ThreeAndNine
    Probably those too. I was only citing places I have first-hand experience with. The point is that none of these things are exclusive to Brooklyn and Portland.
  • Rocknrope
    Trustafarians and boys wearing girl jeans in Lincoln, Albany and Bangor?  I don't think so.
  • ThreeAndNine
    I didn't choose to mention those particular cities at random. If you erroneously think that stuff's not there, I can only assume that you don't happen to be in those cities as often as my work takes me to each of them.
  • ThreeAndNine
    I didn't choose to mention those cities at random. If you erroneously think that stuff's not there, I can only assume that you don't happen to be in those cities as often as my work takes me to each of them.
  • WZA
    "
    For you see, (Western) Brooklyn and Portland are an example of the relativity of the space-time continuum..."
  • robingee
    WELL THEY CLEARLY WIN. Take your trophy, Portland.
  • Chick Blao
    You mean gentrified, northwest Brooklyn that has a ton of temporary residents.  Yes, I agree.  The ignorance of calling that small sect THE representation of "Brooklyn" is astounding!
  • robingee
    I was thinking more that affordable rent beats Maggie G. All other things being equal.

    I have never even heard of Stumptown coffee. I must be behind.
  • Jereremy
    So we send Maggiez. to Portland and everyone's rent gets slashed in half, right?  I vote "aye."
  • robingee
    IT'S A WIN-WIN!
  • GentleGiant
    You seem not to have noticed that the graph is a humor piece, not a serious anthropological study.
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