Poll: 67% Of South Carolina Voters Believe "Only People Are People"
Romney flashes some bling in New Hampshire today (AP)
Last month, Stephen Colbert's Super PAC, Americans for A Better Tomorrow, Tomorrow, attempted to sponsor South Carolina's GOP primary with a $500,000 donation. "Of course, I can’t offer that kind of no-strings-attached-money without getting something in return," Colbert wrote in an op/ed for The State, and in exchange for the money, he asked that his name be placed on the ballot and the primary itself, and that voters also be asked about corporate personhood. Alas, the state's GOP declined to take the bait, but PPP polled voters anyway: 33% of likely voters think that "corporations are people," while 67% believe "only people are people." Look for Jim DeMint to be unseated by Senator Bojangles in 2016.
This question of corporate personhood was settled once and for all [pdf] by The Supreme Court of Anthony Kennedy the United States, but it was Mitt Romney reminding a few protesters this summer that fanned the flames of this total non-issue.
According to the PPP Colbert would finish fourth in the primary with 5% of the vote, beating Jon Huntsman. Sure, the state has an open primary that allows Democrats to vote, but lets see Huntsman's daughters tweet their Dad out of this one.
As New Hampshire's primary voters gear up for today's contest, Romney, who is maintaining a commanding lead in the polls, is being criticized for telling a group yesterday, "I like being able to fire people who provide services to me" while making a point about his beliefs on health insurance. He utters the line at the 1:30 mark.
The average American’s vote is just a commodity now to be bought and sold between the wealthiest individuals and for profit corporations rather than a citizen’s support for politicians that work to bring reform and implement policy that benefits and protects the American worker and the national interest.
The 2010 Supreme Court Citizens United verdict gave corporations and wealthy individuals the freedom to contribute money without limits to Super PACs, Political Action Committees (PAC), and without immediate disclosure. That's the problem.
Brian Kuhlmann
When I see a corporation on death row or on the table getting a lethal injection, then I will believe that corporations are people.
Lavaux
Who would be stupid enough to buy part ownership in a slave, that is, a person with no legal rights to his own person or property? You want the slave to weed your garden tomorrow, but another part owner has him digging ditches all summer, and then another will send him fishing in Alaska for the following six months. Worse, the government is threatening to conscript your slave to go fight in some foreign war. Looks like you made a bad investment. Ditto if you bought shares in a company that had no legally enforceable rights to its own person or property.
Why is something so simple and obvious so difficult for lefties to understand? You know, the left's most valuable asset is pure ignorance, and second gullibility.
Okay, corporations are people in that people make up corporation, et cetera. But that is different than saying a corporation is a person. Yes, in some case as a legal fiction, but not, many would argue, in term of the rights of a citizen. But who the hell expects Republicans to be precise and use terms correctly -- or much of anything else.
the4thcoming
Ron Paul for president!
sketto
Ron Paul is running for second place and he's going to succeed.
theoddfather
Wow, that video of the South Carolinan GOP voters is chilling. These people aren't qualified to serve french fries let alone decide our leaders. The US would have been so much better off if we let these treasonous retards secede.
how many people believe that Non For Profits are people?
CptnSpldng
I'll believe that corporations are people when Texas starts executing them.
JC
That joke was funnier when Jon Stewart made it.
jim beam
Hit a nerve with you fox news trolls. Republican support the 1%. And if you support them and work for a living you have earned the name , STUPID. It doesn't get anymore clear then that
JC
Perhaps if you post that one more time it will become "more clear then that."
Ryan Mercer
His point was one of choice. In some countries, if you don't like the service being provided, tough. No one can really be held accountable for it and you are given few or no alternatives. Romny is just expressing a natural sentiment: when someone provides bad services, you should be able to hold them accountable. Perhaps "fired" was an unnecessarily callous choice of word.
ANGRYGOD11
If you don't like your health insurance company, tough luck. Your choices in the real world are poor or non-existent. If Romny gets elected, we will go back to these firms cherry picking healthy people and dropping anyone who could cost them some of their multibillion dollar profits. Even if you had a choice, what would you do if you had a condition? Do you drop the specialists you have been seeing for treatment because they don't participate with your new plan?
m015094
"what would you do if you had a condition?"
You pay more. This may sound cold-hearted to you, but we cannot and should not insure everyone with all the healthcare they want - without going broke. I've seen this when 89-year old grandpa is on a respirator with acute kidney failure and the family doesn't want to let him go. Don't you realizing that spending millions on people that are going to die anyway is just taking it away from people who have many more years? Healthcare is not an infinite resource. There are limits to how many people we can treat and how we treat them. Some people call the people who make those decisions "death panels." Anyone who has worked in healthcare would never use that term.
Don't sit here and tell us it can't work. We can give you a list of other developed countries where it's working JUST FINE, and at a far lower cost than our health care costs. Hell's bells, the people in Canada cannot even fathom the idea of NOT being able to go to a doctor, or getting the surgery they need, or being cared for in an emergency. I haven't been able to find one single Canadian that doesn't think we're just nutty as can be for not having health care for everyone. It's all about overthrowing the big health insurance industry and big pharma. It's always, always about their greed.
m015094
You don't even know your facts. EMTALA - look it up. Emergency departments are REQUIRED to see people in an emergency. (And no, a runny nose isn't an emergency). St. Vincents hospital here in NYC went bankrupt covering EMTALA for the uninsured, non-paying patients. It no longer exists. How is that helping?
And I've never said universal health care cannot work. But, you'd be adding 10% (30 million patients) to an already short supply of physicians. There are various answers to this (like having nurses do routine appointments), but thats a different topic altogether. Also, did you know an OB/GYN pays roughly $120,000 per year for malpractice insurance? Do you think that's a bit excessive? I do. Lawyers don't.
And, my original point wasn't even about universal health care. It was about giving patients costly end-of-life procedures when they are going to die anyway. There is a culture in this country that we should prolong every live as long as possible - regardless of how the patient feels or how much it costs. It's wrong and any doctor will tell you that.
ANGRYGOD11
I didn't make "medical condition" clear. I am referring to long-term chronic conditions requiring treatment. It might not expensive compared to emergency care. Good treatment for juvenile diabetes can mean a person can live a long and productive life and neglect means amputation(s). By switching insurance a patient might have to give up an effective network (that includes medications, medical equipment, therapy) that works for one that doesn't.
m015094
"By switching insurance a patient might have to give up an effective network"
Not if they can afford it.
And if they cannot afford it we have safety nets called medicare, medicaid, and social security disability insurance. I'm sure you knew that. .
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