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Albany Expected To Pass Agenda That Includes Dream Act

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Latino students petition Rhode Island's state legislature to offer them tuition assistance and a Dream Act of their own (AP)

New York State is poised to pass a legislative agenda that focuses on granting illegal immigrants access to financial assistance for public universities, a step that California took a few days ago. John King Jr., the state's education commissioner to the Board of Regents, tells the Times that, "It's about making sure that students are able to fulfill their aspirations after their graduate from high school." New York allows undocumented immigrants to pay in-state tuition, but the move is part of a larger strategy to lobby Congress to pass a version of the Dream Act, which would give students who completed two years of college or military service a path to citizenship.

Legislation that assists illegal immigrants in accessing state services has been referred to as a "magnet" by critics of immigration reform and indeed the 2012 GOP presidential field. "This amounts to a much broader amnesty than the New York State Board of Regents wants to portray it," a spokesman for the Federation of American Immigration Reform. Ironically, the group called "FAIR" supported Alabama's recently passed immigration law that allows for the wholesale discrimination against Latinos. The law has been denounced by a contingent of the state's clergy.

Proponents for New York's education agenda say that in addition to assisting immigrants with tuition, an ideal bill would also allow them to have driver's licenses, something Eliot Spitzer failed at getting through the legislature in 2007. "These people are going to be citizens of this country some day, and we need to prepare them for a life of independence," Dr. Merryl Tisch, the Board of Regents' Chancellor says.

For an excellent primer on how the Obama administration is moving away from its promises to pass comprehensive immigration reform as it ramps up deportations, see Frontline's documentary Lost In Detention.

Watch Lost in Detention on PBS. See more from FRONTLINE.

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  • czarcris

    YES YES YES! I WILL FINALLY BE ABLE TO BE COUNTED AND HELP THE COUNTRY I LOVE! GOD BLESS US ALL AND THE UNITED STATES! I CANT WAIT TO BE ABLE TO WORK HARD TO MAKE THIS A GREATER COUNTRY DAY BY DAY! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! OH AND BTW I KNOW FOR A FACT I CARE MORE ABOUT THIS COUNTRY THAN MANY PEOPLE BORN HERE. :)))) YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

  • LICnative

    I guess all the American kids with college aspirations already have their schooling paid for. Why else would we willingly pay for the education of others before our own?

  • Because you already paid, and they are already part of this economy, my friend. If you have a better and more brilliant solutions, then raise your hands. Don't tell me that kicking them out is a solution. It is not. BECAUSE THEY ARE ALREADY PART OF THIS ECONOMY. BEEN THIS WAY FOR MANY FREAKIN' YEARS.

  • hills35

    You need to check some statistical data before you make such claims. I guess Bonnie and Clyde were also part of our economy since they spent their stolen loot on American goods and services. Again I suggest you do some reading before you post.

  • amuncat

    Not true! See my response above! Oh, and how do we keep others from coming? Afterall, if the ones who are already here for "..many freaking years" get a break, what's to say others won't follow. All they had to do is lay low for a few years and the rest is gravey. Go to America!

    Speaking of which, what do you tell the people who have waited and respected our laws to come here? Are they the chumps?

  • amuncat

    In these times of economic crises, I can't believe our government is giving serious consideration to anything an illegal alien asks for beyond the way home!

    What we have created is an entitlement community! All they had to do was just show up! We have taken their children from K-12 free, with breakfast/lunch, ELL/ESL classes ($ away from citizen children learning), medical, and social services. According to an article in today's LA Times, they are finding that most children from illegal alien families don't graduate high school!

    Why are we considering advance education for illegal aliens and their children such a national priority OVER the basic need of Americans! The illegal aliens have become totally self-serving without regard to the nation that they say they love! They say that they are the best and brightest, if that is so, prove it by financing your own college education!!! Now that is what I call respecting America, not looking for another handout!

    Most importantly, these students, illegal aliens, that the colleges will be losing revenue on...CANNOT GET JOBS BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL TO HIRE THEM!!!! I guess America will be the land of McDonald's and car jokey PhD's!

    Illegal aliens and in state tuition...what a waste of our tax dollars! NY, please do be idiotic like CA and pass something this stupid!!!

  • Let's be realistic here, my friend. You can't kick them out. They are part of this economy. They are consumers. They buy goods and provide services. Most of them actually pay taxes, do you know that? Half of the Americans can't even afford to pay taxes these days. Whether these people are illegal of not, if they are good people, and have never done anything more harmful to USA other than breaking immigration laws, we have to do something to make them registered in our system.
    If you think you can kick them out, try. If you think kicking them out will save USA money, you are dreaming. Try and you will regret.

  • hills35

    "part of the economy"? What taxes do they pay? And what jobs do they have? And if they do have jobs either they're working "off the books" or stole someone else's SSN.  You also say that half of all Americans can't even afford to pay taxes. That is true because of the 10% unemployment rate. So what do we need these "students" for? To swell the unemployment rolls?

    As far as kicking them out is concerned, it seems that Alabama found a way to do that. You don't know much about economic issues because based on my professional experience, a full 30% of welfare recipients are illegal aliens. Also, NYS schools are burdened with the costs of educating their children. Sir, that costs billions. You need to crack open a book or read a few articles before you decide to post such things on a website.

  • amuncat

    First of all, you seem to be uninformed. You say that illegal aliens pay taxes? Please explain why IRS recently found $4.3 billion in child tax credit fraud with ITN# users. The illegal aliens that I am aware may FILE taxes, but it is merely to game the system and get a refund! They are here merely to take! Yes, they are consumers, but in a VERY negative way! According to an April report from Center for Immigrantion Studies, cis.org  at least 70%(!!!!!) of illegal alien hispanics are on welfare!!! They drop one anchor and they are set for life! I don't suppose you have heard about the pregnant women in labor who just make it across in time to give birth.

    I don't understand your use of the term "good people." I do know that most illegal aliens believe that if they haven't gotten caught, then they are good. I don't agree! NO ONE stands up for the American citizen whoes identity has been stolen. This isn't really considered a crime now days, even though it takes approximately 10 years for an American citizen to get their identity back...if ever!

    Nothing more harmful than breaking immigration laws. Wow! You must have illegal alien relatives! Breaking immigration laws has a very harmful effect on our country, which is contrary to what big businesses and our government want us to believe. Illegal alien children put a tremendous drain on our educational system for starters! Classrooms are crowded, and we have to use an already dwindling budget to teach ELL/ESL classes. They also freely use our free breakfast and lunch programs. All of these are supported by my tax dollar and big businesses reap the benefits of increased profits and slave labor.

    To your statement that we can't get rid of these people, I say YES WE CAN! It's really easy. They started running like cock roaches when ALA and AZ started enforcing our laws. All we reallly have to do is enforce our UNBROKEN laws! I might add, as is done in every civilized country!

  • 1) Undocumented aliens pay taxes, almost all of them don't get refunded because the IRS number only takes their money and doesn't give back.
    2) USA citizens are USA citizens, if a kid is born here and their parents aren't, and you are tired of them taking your walefare money, wouldn't it make more sense to legalize them and allow them to work so that they may pay taxes to pay for your food too? remember undocumented aliens pay taxes, but they don't pay the same amount as you because they work on the side, off the books. They report what little they make, if they had a stable job all this tax money thats being lost can go towards funding more education and much more.
    3) There are worse people we need to focus on, then the ones who are working and trying to get by. There are actual threats in this country, criminals, killers who have yet to be caught, and all of our resources are going to deporting people who have been working and paying taxes.
    4) Harmful effect: 14 million people undocumented = 14 million people who can be paying taxes and report the exact amount  = more revenue for the united states. So the US is doing more harm to itself not giving these people temporary working permits to pay taxes and generate millions of dollars worth of taxes. Only thing people are scared of is that 14 million people will side democrat rather then republican.
    5) Classrooms are not crowded due to illegal aliens, they are crowded due to a larger population being born, all citizens. When i was in highschool there was only one undocumented student who was in procedure to getting his resident status.
    6) again money being wasted, taxes and resources again being wasted in order to get rid of hard working people, did you know that undocumented aliens make 70% of your farmers workforce? the pick your food. Now you're going to waste money kicking these people out, when you can gain money by legalizing them? do you know how much a fake marriage cost? 20k to 40k people  undergo these types of things, so why can't we charge these undocumeted aliens a fee of 20k for their papers, imagine 18mil x 20k thats a lot of revenue.

  • amuncat

    Well, well, well, Tulio Mesa, what planet did you come from? I have cited facts and given you references for my statements, where are yours? You have none, You are spouting the same illegal alien verbiage that we have heard ad nauseum!
    1, You say that "undocumented" pay taxes that don't get refunded. Interesting! Most illegal aliens get paid under the table so that their bosses don't have to pay payroll taxes. I would be hard to convince that illegal aliens pay taxes out of the under the table cash they receive AFTER they have sent remittances home. Remember, moving lawns, cleaning toilets, etc., does not result in a wage to off set the trillions of dollars that illegal aliens consume in education, health care, and welfare! Sorry, you are truly dillusional...just like the illegal aliens who want us to pay for their college in these times of great economic distress! Selfish and self-centered...we don't need that!
    2.", if a kid is born here and their parents aren't, and you are tired of them taking your walefare money, wouldn't it make more sense to legalize them and allow them to work so that they may pay taxes to pay for your food too? "

    NO! I would not! It would make more sense to have the irresponsible parent who had children in these circumstances to take them with them, and learn how to support their children on their own, in mexico, without welfare! This, in my opinion is fair, because we would NEVER want to reward the perpretrator of whole mess. Just let them take what they created with them...we don't need that kind for American citizenship!
    Oh, and just because a person becomes a citizen does not get them off of welfare. Many of illegal aliens, especially hispanic, come from generational dirt poor environments. Often they are uneducated and don't know how to read in their native language...this is welfare whether citizen or not!

    3. Our criminal killers and rapist are America's problem, not yours. All we want you to do is to take  YOUR criminals with you! We don't care how hard you think you are working, we don't want nor need you! We have enough American citizens who are hard working and are ready to be hardworking when you leave...not to worry!

    4. Same old rhetoric!!!!

    5. Once again you don't cite stats, just your opinion. Well, I work in a school district. I see first hand how illegal alien children pull from the learning of American citizens. I see where we have to have extra staff just to teach them English even though their parents refuse to learn it. I see where American children are having shortages of books and supplies when the monies spent  teaching illegal aliens would have been better spent on books and supplies for all instead of trying to bring illegal alien children up to speed.
     Bottome line, you have been duped to think that you could come here and the streets would be paved with gold. They aren't! Go back and change where you came from, you will get more respect than to hang around always with the gimme. Please know, what you have received as an illegal alien is just about all you are going to get! We are sick and tired of you!
    Change your government instead of going begging all the time!

    Ilegal aliens make 70% of our farm work force! Well, I do know that only 2% of illegal aliens work on farms...which means that the others are stealing jobs! Begone!

  • Good.  Make America strong.  It seems crazy to me that people would oppose this, but I guess that is how dogma works, huh?

  • Mordicai you must not be a taxpaying citizen. America isn't the worlds
    welfare committee, we don't have the finance to pay our 14trillion
    dollar debt and we sure don't have the bills to pay for illegals. Think
    if we gave amnesty again, the next wave of illegals won't just do the
    same thing.. just look at 1986 amnesty for example...if it was a fix to
    illegal immigration then what happened cause we are still trying to
    solve it today. But lets be serious these people are adults they can
    migrate like anyone else foreign or native and go home to their country
    of origin and start their process like anyone else. Stop aiding
    criminals and wipe them out. If you love them so much you pay for their
    education, while you're at it pay for all criminals so the law-abiding
    citizens can see their social security check when they're ready to
    retire and stop cutting citizen's school funds. Can't believe we talk
    about schools being closed, tuition fees increasing, classes
    overcrowded, teachers, police, firefighters, etc being fired and we just
    have money from nowhere to fuel the illegal population. Don't you see
    how corrupt that is! Lastly, given the fact that you support slave labor, why not just enslave you.

  • petey2

    but why can't the bankers pay for it all, and the rest of us can have no work ethic and live off the hard work of someone else.

  • You know that like, building "fences" & putting people in prisons costs....lots & lots of money?  Like, lots & lots & lots.  & you also realize that...right, everybody in America is an illegal immigrant, unless that are a Native American?  Unless your family walked across a landbridge tens of thousands of years ago, shut up, right?

    But I mean, you're the guy who ended your sentence with "given the fact that you support slave labor," which uh, pretty much is the last resort of the rhetorically bankrupt, even after "Nazis!" so I'm not really able to take your rant very seriously.

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