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New Yorkers Give Tourists Etiquette Tips

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SO MUCH EYE CONTACT! (Original photo via michelle rick's flickr)

ETiquette0911sign.jpg Some (presumably New York City-based) posters on Quora are discussing cultural faux pas in New York, possibly creating the longest city-centric list of etiquette tips we've ever seen, and they're all aimed at tourists. Below, a sampling of their wisdom:

  • Don't say you're "from New York" when you're from New Jersey or Long Island. There are very nice parts of New Jersey and Long Island; some very nice people live there. But this is not Boston—you don't get to say you're "from New York City" if you're from slightly outside it. If your prevarication is discovered, this is a quick route to contempt.
  • Never ever ever EVER refer to the city as "the Big Apple." If you say this, you are a tourist, and a clueless one at that. Using the phrases "only in New York!" and "a New York minute" falls in the same category, but they may be used, sparingly, by long-time residents, with a heavy dose of irony.
  • Don't wear "I Heart NY" t-shirts, or indeed any article of clothing that mentions New York in any capacity, with the exception of gear supporting a sports team.
  • When you get on a bus or step up to a subway turnstile, have your change or MetroCard ready. There's a special circle of hell devoted to people who waste 20 seconds of everyone else's time with their fumbling.
  • Don't ask people where you can find good "New York Pizza." In New York, it's just called pizza... do not say you prefer Chicago, New Haven or (God help you) California pizza. This is a direct route to a heated argument.
  • New York eats late—don't propose dinner earlier than 7 p.m. unless the other party has kids. People won't hate you for violating this, but they may give you a strange look.
  • DO NOT eat at Olive Garden, TGIF's, Macaroni Grill or anything else you can eat at home.
  • This may seem like a no-brainer, but I've encountered it way too often: if you are a tourist, don't bring up 9/11.
  • Perhaps less of a faux pas and more of a pet peeve; don't ask "What's a good restaurant?" or "What's a good hotel?" There are literally thousands of restaurants and hotels in New York, many of them good.
  • This one is absolutely vital—don't interfere with others' privacy. New York is a very crowded place. The way people deal with it is to create their own space. Thus, what outsiders often see as aloofness and isolation is, in fact, a sign of community; there is a shared ethos that everyone respects others' privacy and expects others to respect his own. This is chiefly communicated through eye contact. If you stare at someone on the subway: if you linger in looking out your window into someone else's bedroom; if you react to or interrupt a celebrity; or if you seem to be intentionally listening in to another's conversation, you are violating one of New York's most sacred unwritten rules. Keep yourself to yourself, buddy, and let others do the same.
  • Skipping / omitting "the" in "the Bronx."
  • Do not touch a stranger's kid.
  • Don't fake a New York accent.

Are tourists really walking around the Bronx touching strangers' kids and eating California pizza before 7 p.m.? Only in New York! [via Kottke]

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  • JulieToulouse
    Thank you NYers !


    I got the feeling I learned a lot about your city and mentality with just reading your comments. I won't probably be one more distressing tourist to disturb your path...at least it gives me no want (?). So many of your comments seem to reflect stressful, contemptuous and untolerating people. It gives me no desire to mix with most of you guys (you win!). No offense though, it's often the matter with big cities. They tend to prevent spontaneity : "staring at the clouds"  and "
    Yes, the buildings are impressive."  (I'm sad you are so jaded. Personally I am never tired of visiting castles whereas there are many in France).Big cities may also exacerbate selfishness (you will agree this urban issue isn't "only in NY"). I feel you want us (the non Nyers people) to enact " keep your city to yourself ". Thus I would invite you to spend some time (i know, you don't have any...too bad) in the south of France to relax a shot ! As we would say it in France "Hey pète un coup mec" !

    I hope it's understandable...but actually I don't care !
    Have a nice day (as much as you can).

    Julie from France (ville de Toulouse).
  • spandau
    Here's some more suggestions, based on my former residence in the NY  Metro. Area many years ago:

    1.  Always refer to any part of NYS, other than LI and the 5 boros, as "Upstate"
    2.  Be aware that when residents of the outer boros refer to "New York", they usually mean Manhattan
    3. County names such as Kings, Richmond, etc. are seldom used by locals, possibly because there is no real county government in NYC, save for the courts
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  • StedyRuckus
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    mentions New York in any capacity, with the exception of gear
    supporting a sports team."
    This is absolute bullshit. Makes me believe this list is definitely written by a transplant. There are rules however. I'm from Brooklyn, so you won't catch me rocking nay gear that says anything with another borough's name on it.
  • darnY
    Articles like this SUCK. Obviously written by some NYU student/recent grad transplant douche trying to generate a shred of cred that they can't earn on their own by knocking tourists.  Go back to Mom's basement in a fly-over state please.
  • Oh, wow - more fucking rules. No wonder New York is so homogenous.
  • Douche_McGee
    "Don't say you're "from New York" when you're from New Jersey or Long
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    This pretty much goes for any part of NY that is not the 5 boroughs. I love meeting people from NY here in St. Louis. The conversation goes like this:

    Them: Oh wow, I'm from NY too!

    Me: Really? where? I grew up in Queens

    Them: Oh, I lived in Kingston

    Me: That's not New York
  • JoanAngelson
    Tourists- do whatever you want. We do! As a matter of fact, check out Williamsburg, you'll see a bunch of other tourists there that call themselves New Yorkers. They are people telling you, you have to act a certain way in NYC. A bunch of posers. They'll be complaining of noise from the bars, once they start having babies here.
  • snickerdoodlegoth
    Some better advice for tourists:

    Learn how to fucking walk. That means stop ambling along like you're alone on a country road and walk faster, keep foot traffic to the right, do not walk three abreast on the street, and if you see a hurried New Yorker trying to get past you just get the hell out of his way. Unlike you, New Yorkers have places to be at a certain time and don't have all day to stroll along, looking up into the sky and pointing at things.
  • So at what point is a "transplant" allowed to claim NYC as the place they live and work? I get it, only an elite few are actually born and raised here, but millions of us who grow up loving this place and then actually come make lives here and stay for a couple decades. In the event we travel and are asked where we came from, do we have to give the friendly inquisitor our entire life story so as not to mistakingly portray ourselves as NEW YORKERS when actually we have merely lived here for our entire adult lives?
  • Hank Hayes
    As a born and bred Brooklynite, I would say once you move to NYC and live within the 5 Boroughs, get a NYS driver's license - and don't plan on leaving, and curse at your first cabbie that almost hits you in the cross walk, you can call yourself a New Yorker.
  • Peanut_Butter
    After 15 straight years.
  • If I recall, among other attractions, Staten Island has a pretty nice medium sized zoo.  Really excellent reptile section.  Quite comprehensive. Try to get their at feeding time.  The reptile seciton is indoors and is really nice to visit on a winter day.
  • TheOkayestGeneration
    If you take the Staten Island Ferry to get your photos of the Statue of Liberty, hop off the boat for a few seconds on the other side. Yes, I know its Staten Island, but grab a lunch or a beer and give back to the borough that just funded your little harbor tour.
    And the tour guides who lead your foreign masses onto the ferry, you guys can get off the boat halfway across the harbor.
  • schmeep
    No true NY'er would ever deign to do this.
  • TheOkayestGeneration
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  • If you are a hipster from a flyover state don't say you are from New York.  Say you live in New York.  If you were born in Ohio, say you are from Ohio.  and the word "Brooklynite"  Nothing says transplant more than calling yourself a "Brooklynite".  And saying "Billy" or "Shwick", that is where your imaginary friends live.  They are not the names of Brooklyn neighborhoods.
  • Peanut_Butter
    I grew up in NY and I have no problems saying "Brooklynite".  Then again, I'm from Queens.  But I will not budge on koss-kee-ahs-koe.
  • Wooloverurhead
    love NYC and I've been a guest here for ten years. When I read most of the comments here, how tourists irritate you and blah blah, I think, what a bunch assholes. Get a life! Go somewhere new and be a tourist every once in a while you dicks!
  • Jim Brtalik
    At least two people on this board are arguing over the internet.... ugh.... You shame me.
  • bobloblawslawblog
    As a native New Yorker, I like the fact that tourists want to come here and enjoy the city I love.  If one of them stops in front of me suddenly to look at something and slows my day down by 15 seconds, I'll get over it.

    Railing against tourists and how they affect people who think too highly of themselves gets old.  I personally find the people who won't remove their earbuds or won't stop texting way more irritating, and many of these people claim to be New Yorkers.
  • thecoalman
    There are only two types of people: those who care about the opinions of
    others and get into a long, pointless, hair-splitting argument about
    it, and those who are really from NY.
  • KevinJWalsh
    Man, do they despise tourists in LA, London, Paris, Tel Aviv, and other world cities and have other behavior codes like here?
  • I lived in LA, and they diss tourists, but they are not walking to and from work....they are driving everywhere.  in London, I was dissed for being a "colonial" when I went to a place called "NY Pizza" and expressed my surprise that they weren't selling wedges.  The guy behind the counter said "You bloody Colonials think your way is the only way" to which I said "You're the ones who mistakenly call yourselves 'NY Pizza' and don't serve pizza like they do in NYC!".  So this exists all over.
  • Liz k
    While I did hate tourists walking to slow in Tel Aviv, you can probably hate this about tourists everywhere, so no, Tel Aviv doesn't have so many rules and it's an awesome place to go to a vacation at. It's totally westernized but with a Mediterranean flare. Has a non stop nightlife, restaurants, clubs, bars. Tolerance for weed. And very gay friendly.
  • yes, Tel Avivians are very gracious to tourists, especially from NYC.....they ask "Do you know the Cohens in Brooklyn?  They're my cousins", and I say, "you have about 3 million cousins".
  • Dhumavatical
    Where is the respect for traffic flow on subway stairs?!? Stay to the right, always.  When I am hustling like I have someplace really important to be (i.e. typical New Yorker) and you and your girls are walking four across, up the subway stairs, and I can't get down, expect an intentional hardy shoulder into yours as I push my way through. Don't be offended.

    And yes, I know, this isn't just tourists. New Yorkers do this all the time too; but slide into form on the right-hand side if someone is going the opposite way.
  • Liz k
    Oh please. Most the morons I see dissing the right rule are New Yorkers themselves. I just learned to plow through.

    The right rule is universal you know (well, I don't know, do Brits stay to the left?). New Yorkers didn't invent it for an easier subway trip.
  • yes in the London Tube, especially on the mile-long escalators, people stay to the left.
  • Automocar
    What? No they don't.
  • Oh, and PLEASE don't walk side-by-side with your three friends, taking up the entire goddamn sidewalk whilst you saunter slowly and then get all huffy when I brisk past you. I am going home from a job I've been at for 12 hours and I have an hour subway ride ahead. You have nothing but Sbarros and more gawking to do.
  • Can we find a way to force the Muslin food cart gentleman from playing their shitty music and perhaps classic NY tunes or Gershwin?
  • Do you mean "Muslim" or people made of sackcloth-lke material?  And who are you to call any music "Shitty"?  Would you rather hear loud rap music, curses and all?
  • sketto
    Want to blend in while in New York? Try weighing less than 350 pounds before you get here.

    This isn't a joke. There are three major things I always notice when I leave New York: One, you can see the stars at night. Two, it's really, really quiet when you're falling asleep. Three, there are a whole lot of fat people in America.
  • anotheranonymousgirl
    The conversation this post references is actually titled "What are some cultural faux pas in New York?" -- no mention of tourists. While tourists might benefit more than most from having the rules of New York spelled out, they apply to everyone, whether you're here for a day or a lifetime.
  • meowhk
    The biggest pet peeve I have with tourists (or anyone, really) is this: Don't walk more than two across when you're walking down the sidewalk. Otherwise, you're basically blocking everyone behind you and it becomes like a game of Red Rover.
  • sketto
    Yes. And a corollary for native New Yorker pedestrians - no tailgating! Walking on the street has rules just like driving on the road, so if someone in front of you is walking slower, then you must pass. Don't ride my ass and have your conversation in my ear while I'm slowly walking home with a date.
  • You better be walking home slowly on one side of the sidewalk and not holding hands red-rover style and taking up the whole sidewalk. If so, I will break the love chain or ride your ass until you think I'm in your back pocket.
  • notadbag
    Honestly this is one of the dumbest, most pretentious lists I've ever come across in my life:
    1. "Don't Touch a Stranger's Kid" ? Hahahah I see...so it's OK to touch a stranger's kid in fu*king Iowa, but not in NYC? Is this "tip" really necessary?2. "Don't Invade Anyone Else's Privacy" ? Again, it's apparently cool to just creep and stare at random people on a local bus in bumbf*ck or in any other place on Planet Earth, but not on an NYC bus or subway?  3. "Don't Say You're From New York If You're From Jersey or Long Island." I've never heard a single person from Westchester, LI, northern NJ, or anyplace upstate say claim they're from "New York City." If you grew up anywhere within the state of New York, then you can absolutely call yourself a "New Yorker." If you grew up in boroughs like the BX, BK, Queens and Staten, then there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying you're from NYC. The world doesn't revolve around Manhattan, douchebags.

    4. "Don't eat at any of the big chains."  Well yes, our city has some of the greatest restaurants on the planet so it would behoove a visitor to try them, but honestly if you like eating at McDonald's, Burger King or TGI Fridays, then eat there!!

    Most of these "pointers" are bogus. I've lived in this area for my entire life, and yes I don't love Times Square (who the f*ck does? ) but chances are that all of you would comport yourselves in a similar "touristy" fashion when visiting Picadilly Circus or Trafalgar Square, the Champs Elysees or the Spanish Steps. Get off of your high horses.
  • "The world doesn't revolve around Manhattan, douchebags"

    It may not revolve around Manhattan, but it sure as sh*t doesn't revolve around Staten Island.
  • I'm from Iowa and can verify that we don't touch each others' children :)
  • sketto
    Iowa doesn't have priests?
  • Yes, but not very many.  And we try to keep the kids away from them. 

    (I'm a recovering Catholic, so I can say this).
  • notadbag
    exactly!
  • arboc
    You can interfere with others' privacy, but you need to be homeless first.
  • JoanAngelson
    When in New York, do any dam thing you want. That's what we do. That's what we were brought up to do. Fuck the people that say they're from NYC, they probably aren't. As for September 11th, 
    all New Yorkers were affected, that's a fact.
  • Harper324
    get.over.yourselves.
  • TheOkayestGeneration
    wheres.the.fun.in.that.
  • Here's what I'm wondering now - who do native New Yorkers hate more: tourists or transplants.  I'm hearing a lot of transplant hatred going on here and I'm curious since I'll be relocating to the area soon to attend graduate school.  I mean, should I just not talk to any of you because *gasp* I grew up in the Midwest?
  • BeautifulNewYorkTours
    Transplant hatred is even more corrupt and hypocritical than tourist hatred.  There is no such thing as an adult New Yorker who isn't here by choice.  Transplants chose to come.  Natives chose to stay.  If you doubt me, go to Florida.  You can't throw a rock there without hitting an ex-New Yorker.  Everyone is here by choice.
  • J D
    Once you realize everyone here is a transplant, especially the judgmental and obnoxious ones, you'll have a great time.
  • sketto
    You'll stand out, but the real sign of a true New Yorker is not giving a shit what other people think. No matter how big a freak you are or what reason you have for coming here, there's someone else stranger than you already here.
  • Heh, I'm pretty sure I'll be one of the most boring people in the room anywhere I go.  I'm sure I'll stick out and my Midwestern will show, but I'm not going to be ashamed of it.  Yeah, I say "pop" instead of soda and I don't understand the reasoning of paying $600 dollars for a pair of impractical shoes, but I don't think either of those things make me a freak.  Just someone raised with differently.  Conversely, I don't think someone who chooses to live their life in the opposite extreme is a freak, they are just their own person.  I'm looking forward to the diversity. 

    FYI...I'm attending school for Library Science, not to be an artist or film-maker.  Not all transplants are there to be world famous writers/artists/fashion designers.  Some just want a change.
  • Oooof. Just came back here to be amused by the comments, and I noticed this. Honey, if you're reading this, and it's not too late - do NOT pay good money to go to grad school for library science. There are no library science jobs in the NYC area unless you have a graduate degree in another area as well, and even those are few and far between. My understanding is it's the same way pretty much everywhere these days. I learned the hard way - now I try to help stop other people from making the same expensive mistake I did.
  • Peanut_Butter
    ha ha... it's mostly internet snark...just be yourself and welcome to NY.
  • Thanks.  I'm excited for the move!
  • How about let me off the train before you get on or I'll fucking deck you.
  • hellfire
    i stick my elbows out. it's actually become a reflex.
  • nntogo
    When the train doors open, don't stroll in, move in quickly. Those doors opening up is like musical chairs and the music just went off, and you're in the way.
  • PFOOMA
    THIS.
  • "Don't say you're "from New York" when you're from New Jersey or Long Island. There are very nice parts of New Jersey and Long Island; some very nice people live there. But this is not Boston—you don't get to say you're "from New York City" if you're from slightly outside it. If your prevarication is discovered, this is a quick route to contempt."
    Reality check, If you're from Long Island then you're from New York. If they say "I'm from New York City", thats a different situation.
  • souper_crackers
    Instead of looking like an "edgy" New Yorker, you look like even more of a tourist when you put Manic Panic streaks in your hair before your visit. Stop it.
  • Ragingsemi
    Here's a good one I deal with every day...

    Don't stop to pet my fucking dog when he's trying to shit and I'm in a hurry to leave for work! Telling me how cute he is etc, isn't making my day it's making me late.
  • Peanut_Butter
    ha ha never saw it from that perspective.
  • You know what I don't like as a New Yorker?

    Some egotistical bastard telling me how to fucking act.

    Tourists are great - money women odd languages easy targets random hilarity - like the midwest couple at the corner of 6th ave and 42nd st the other day.

    "Well I think we can get on this subway line here labeled 7 and take this to Times Square."

    Even though of course Times Square was just a few hundred yards from where they were standing.

  • Peanut_Butter
    Don't do this: don't explain and dilute your funny story by adding an extraneous explanatory statement at the end.  You already said they were on the corner of 42nd and 6th.
  • pvbklyn
    Basically these rules apply to tourists anywhere. When in Rome, etc.  Otherwise it's just a bunch of shit and another time waster thinking up other stupid bullshit rules. . . . (Born and bled in Queens and living in Bklyn and have resided in every borough of NYC except of course Richmond County.) I like tourists and I will help them out and I don't give a shit what they are wearing. .
  • Huge omission (IMO)...when you get off the escalator, GET OUT OF THE WAY!  That thing isn't stopping, hustle over to the side, *then* look up and turn in circles. ;)
  • Peanut_Butter
    That's why I always leave 2 steps room between me and the person in front of me - to avoid a pile-up.
  • Oh be NY'er & push em, while simultaneously saying come the f*ck on moron!  Sorry, i get escalator rage.
  • long island IS new york. more third and fourth generation new yorkers there than in manhattan.
  • StedyRuckus
    If you grew up in the city and move to L.I. you can claim you're from the city, but your retarded little suburban spawn can't claim it. They are from Long Island.
  • Why would anyone want to claim they're from New York if they're not? It's not a select club only a few cool people belong to.
  • dogbertt
    "b) allow their dog leash to extend end-to-end on the sidewalk"

    For the win.
  • Peanut_Butter
    Yes!  Those motherlovers are so freakin' annoying!  I love dogs, but I hate the people that walk them.  If the circle created by the radius of the leash to your dog exceeds 5 feet, you need to pull that shit in!
  • I have a way bigger problem with the New Yorkers that a) walk with their heads down in their phones b) allow their dog leash to extend end-to-end on the sidewalk c) treat red light intersections like the fuckin tour de france or d) just behave like general trash yelling/littering/fighting/etc. than I do with the tourists. I'm happy to live somewhere that people deem worthy of making a trip to visit, and I think the whole "I hate tourists" attitude is largely held by recent transplants who think they're supposed to feel this way as a New Yorker.
  • BeautifulNewYorkTours
    " I'm happy to live somewhere that people deem worthy of making a trip to visit"

    Thank you, James.  That is, by far, the smartest thing anyone on this thread has said.

    We wanted to be here for a lifetime.  Why shouldn't they want to be here for a week?  We think of these people as shit simply because their commitment to the city is temporary while ours is permanent?
  • seattlesnow
    most New Yorkers are tourist... they just haven't realized that yet
  • lateshift
    one big one is missing...on escalators: stand to the right, walk to the left.  They're moving STAIRS, people. Stairs. Remember what we do on stairs?
    (If there's a long line of people standing on your right...and nobody at all standing in front of you while you stand on the left...you'd think it would at least accidentally dawn on you there might be some reason why)
  • Ragingsemi
    Yes, and most importantly this rule applies for ALL escalators. Even the ones in Whole Foods, dept stores, etc.
  • taracorinne
    The "the rule" with the Bronx I think is an English thing in general--- most proper nouns of places that ends in an S or S sound always has a "the" in front of it.  I'm from THE United States, I am going to THE Netherlands, etc.  I don't know what the need for "the" is called though.
  • Spirit of 76
    "The White Plains"?
  • Peanut_Butter
    "The Queens"?
  • pvbklyn
    The Bronx has a "The" in front of it because originally a sea Captain named Jonas Bronck leased about 500 acres from the Dutch West India Company  and the area over time was referred to as "The Bronck's land," eventually shortened to The Bronx.
  • lateshift
    the Netherlands and the United States are both technically plurals (i.e.: the United States has multiple states.) We don't say "The Massachusetts"
  • Hank Hayes
    Because the area known as The Bronx was owned by the Bronck family, people would say they were going to the Bronck's for this and the Bronck's for that. Hence, "The Bronx."

    Native New Yorker's learn this basic info about our city during childhood.

    Infiltrators such as the Bostonian Mike Bloomy Bloomberg, who don't give a rat's ass about the heritage of NYC attempt to change the official name to "Bronx, NY." 

    Please don't encourage him.
  • StedyRuckus
    The Bronx River was named for Jonas Bronck, an early settler from Småland in Sweden whose land bordered the river on the east. The borough of the Bronx was named for the river that was "Bronck's River"
  • The Netherlands is not a technical plural in Dutch, though.
  • nntogo
    We aren't talking about it's name in Dutch.
  • Here's one: You're 6 inch fuck me stilettos are awesome and if you can't walk in them, you shouldn't wear them and walk smack down the middle of the sidewalk.  You should especially avoid the long staircases at stations like 59th St (4/5/6) where you'll have to go down approximately 70-80 stairs on shoes you can't walk in to begin with.


    Wear appropriate footwear.
  • Peanut_Butter
    Dude, you have a problem with chicks teetering on their 6-inch fuck-me stilettos?
  • Only the ones that can't walk in 'em.  There's nothing sexy about walking like you're in the midst of an earthquake. :-)
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