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College Bandmates Forced Into Fire Sale At Gunpoint In Bed-Stuy

070211welcome.jpg Say what you will about the perils of gentrification, getting pistol whipped and robbed out of house and home should make one an honorary member of the neighborhood. A group of Brooklyn college students and musicians moved into a cheap apartment on the eastern edge of Bed-Stuy in Brooklyn, and only two weeks later were robbed at gunpoint of thousands of dollars of musical equipment and beaten with a pistol.

The four boys, most of them in their late teens, were happy about the $1,850/month rent and a place for their band, P.M.E.R. (Power.Music.Electric. Revival.) to rehearse. Hardily living in other Brooklyn locales, the boys—both black and white—figured this area would be no different: "We had lived in the 'hood," one of them tells the Times. Another says, "Call it naïveté or whatever. 'We can defend ourselves.'" However, their apartment was just a block from Chauncey Street, "nicknamed 'Chancy' among neighbors" for its 24-hour police presence and constant gunfire. One resident "giggled as she recalled a recent morning when she was late to work because there were too many bullets flying to cross Chauncey. It's also nearby the subway stop where you can get free walks home.

But one night, one of the roommates heard a shout from outside and saw a man carrying their bass guitar away. Another burglar then burst into the apartment brandishing a gun, as another roommate tells the paper: "He leans into my face and he's like 'Do you see me? Do you see my face? and I'm like, 'Yeah," and—bam!—he hits me in the face," dislodging his tooth. After they carry most of their equipment downstairs at the orders of the assailant, the police arrived and he was forced to jump out the window, where he was injured and arrested. Another assailant was also captured, but the band had to buy a new bass and are still missing equipment.

However, they remain undeterred, looking for a new apartment in Bushwick and batting away parental concern: "My mom was like, 'Do you want to come home?' I was like, 'Nah.'" Spoken like a true Brooklynite.

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  • Jesse DeZenzo
    I know these people, their story is a lie. one of them tried selling drugs on the street, some guy walks up to him, talks to him, see's where he lives and then later comes back and robs him. they got what they deserved.
  • Guest
    I wouldn't call that area Bed-Stud.  That border on the East is really Utica Ave /Malcom X Blvd.  
    Its south of Broadways so its not Bushwick and its north of Atlantic so it's not Brownsville. 

    Broadway Junction?

    Its still too west to be East New York.

    They should have lived off Bainbridge in the Bronx

    Better neighborhood big apartment and their rent would have been $1200 at the most - in other words, the actual value of the apartment and not some con price for kids.
  • It'll be tough but they need to invest in buying at least one Glock. They already got robbed and are a group of frail white boys in the hood. They'll give at least one of em' a permit.
  • GrahamCracked
    they cannot own a hand gun, but they can relatively easily get a permit for a long gun (a shot gun), although NOT for carry, but it may be used inside the home for protection.  Provided they aren't convicted felons.  The application fee for a permit is $140.00. You must also pay a fingerprint fee of $94.25. It will take 2-3 months to process - and makes possessing a long gun in one's residence legal.
  • Perfect. Get a 12-Gage. In total it will run them maybe $1500 altogether at the most. In 3 months they can fear no thug. 

    Put a sign on the door that says "We got the Elephant, Best had step BACK unless you want a hole in your Motha Fuckin' Chest JACK!" LOL
  • Joe
    According to the Times: Herded into a bedroom, forced to strip naked and lie face down? That's not funny. That's not cool at all.
  • dogbertt
    No, robbery is rarely "cool".  WAKE UP PEOPLE!  Quit being sheep and protect yourselves against those who hate you.
  • In nyc, it is illegal for me to own a gun as a law abiding citizen.   You see, I am not rich and connected or a felon, so I have no access to a gun.

    So I have no way to protect myself from the savages, who all have guns
  • da_phonz
    I didn't do any research on this, but I'm gambling to say you can get a gun, you just can't conceal it.
  • dogbertt
    Another way the people who run NYC are fscked in the head.
  • Kevin_Kramers
    i don't get it. why do hipsters move into the hood? mad street cred or something? to keep it real?
  • 69GeorgeWBush69
    double post
  • 69GeorgeWBush69
    Uh, maybe they wanted somewhere cheap to live that's near a subway? Just because these kids cant afford a tribeca loft doesn't mean they're "hipsters" looking for "street cred", you ignorant asshole.
  • SquareOne
    No, hipsters move into the 'hood, because they MUST live in Brooklyn, even if it means risking their lives by living in an in expensive apartment in a crime-ridden neighborhood. Queens? God forbid!  It defies logic.  For the same money that you'd spend in, say, Bed Stuy or Bushwick, you can get a similar sized apartment in Astoria, where there are plenty of good bars, restaurants, etc, and the neighborhood is much more safe.  But wait, Queens ISN'T COOL!   It's better to be cool than to have a better standard of living, I suppose.
  • SquareOne
    And I don't want to hear the argument that "Queens is far".  Far from where?  15 minutes by train to midtown Manhattan.  10 minutes by car to Williamsburg.  Explain how Queens is far?
  • whatidsay
    Got a new name for their band...W.B.F.I., as in We.Be.Fucking.Idiots.
  • I bet that would actually help them gain fame with that name.
  • I don't understand why people move into black neighborhoods to pay high rent. Black neighborhoods in brooklyn that are filled with black people, whom, embrace the THUG culture.

    Uh yeaaa, not a smart move. 

    I'd rather live in Astoria around greeks,or Jackson Heights roosevelt around asians and hispanics.

    Same rent prices. Much higher quality of living. 

    Oh now i understand. Cause they're hipsters. Dumb effin hipsters. Real New Yorkers know where to live.
  • Please move ANYWHERE but NYC. We really don't want or need racist crap like you near us.
  • dogbertt
    Sorry, but the "racist" crap is robbers yelling, "yo white boy, we're moving you out", then robbing and assaulting them.  I'm not surprised you don't see that.
  • Sorry to kick the logic and truth into you're skull, But yea anyway, i ain't moving anywhere. I am South Queens born raised and gonna die here.
  • Fairly soon I hope.
  • When people speak the Truth it's racist?

    What about when NAACP cries about equality and makes things harder for non blacks?! isn't that racism too?
  • GrahamCracked
    The NAACP couldn't be more corrupt and obviously hypocritical - chris brown and r kelly were recognized as image award winners... post-scandal in both cases... plus the outright racist hazel dukes - it is a bastion of racism, plain and simple.
  • wow.
  • bggb
    You don't know much about Bed-Stuy, do you? didn't think so
  • thank god they did not take their bicycles
  • Guest
    Fool.
  • Hey guys

       These kids moved to Bainbridge Street and Howard Avenue. Gothamist... this is NOT the western edge of Bed Stuy. It's actually pretty smack in the middle. This is an important distinction because your post makes it sound like these kids were really part of the gentrifying crowd that is happening around the G train and the Clinton Hill/Bed Stuy border. But this is DEEP in bed-stuy. Living in the area myself, I can tell you that its a pretty staggering difference.
  • Actually they said the eastern edge of Bed Stuy. It is the edge...almost Brownsville/Ocean Hill.
  • Guest
    I feel bad for those two black kids, especially the one who lost his tooth. But for anyone white boy hipster, I would pay to see them pistol whipped and their teeth knocked out.
  • Guest
    Hey watch while I knock your teeth out for free.
  • birdtird
    this is funny
  • Bernie_Geotz_Squirrel_Luv
    I never knew it was that bad till I met a cop from the seven three, I think that's the pct.
    He said 12 yr olds carry guns there. You have to toss the father and his kid, his words, not mine.
  • ocm123
    73 is Brownsville. Bed-Stuy is covered by the 79 and 81. The 73 and the 81 border each other, and where these guys lived is only one block from that border. The area the 73 covers is the worst in the city
  • lovelette
    I've been to Bed-Stuy a million time, even lived there for a year. Never had a problem, at all. This article is stupid and ignorant. There's plenty of hardworking every day people in Bed-Stuy,  just like anywhere else in the world. I have a problem with  fraidy cat white people who are obsessed with people of color and spend their time letting their imaginations run wild or outright  lying. Please leave everybody alone. Thanks. We really don't need your presence in our neighborhoods.
  • problem with white people?..do you have a problem with ignorant criminal racist blacks that prey on white people in west village..bed stuy..and..pretty much everywhere else in nyc?.and you don't want the presence of whites in your hood...lol..lol..why cause crime will decrease,noise will decrease,property values will increase and quality of life will increase..pretty much the complete opposite of what happens when minorities overtake a white 'hood.
  • heyhohey
    This is my "hood" and I don't even want all the white kids moving in, and I'm white. Since the influx it's been noisier, they've been stealing anything left outside at all (I know it's Brooklyn, but no one did that in our area until they moved in, and they're the ones doing it), they play really shitty music and have no respect for the neighborhood or their neighbors at all. I live in Bedstuy because I love Bedstuy, not because I'm waiting for it to turn into Williamsburg.
  • Guest
    Yes, white people are better than minorities.  Because you have your drugs delivered to your home instead of picking it up on the corner and ruin entire economies instead of neighborhoods.  We brownies bow down to you.  I'm so sorry you have to put up with us.

    Asshole.

    I'm not a racist, I have plenty of white friends.   I just can't stand stupid people.  I would be as condescending to a fellow minority who makes ignorant comments about white people.  The problem here is that you're an ignorant asshole.  And no matter who spews this kind of garbage it encourages racism.

    Go to a poor white neighborhood, where people aren't educated either, what are they called?  Trailer parks right?  Let me know how lovely it is there.

    It's about lack of education, not race or culture.  Every race and culture has bad apples. 

    Of course, there is a lot less crime when people with more education and money take over your neighborhood.  More tax dollars, better schools, better services and more police watching over your neighborhood.  It's not about race.
  • ONE_LESS_FIXED_GEAR
    "I'm not a racist, I have plenty of white friends."  That's exacltly what makes black people crack up when white people say "I'm not racist, I have plenty of black friends."
  • Guest
    Yeah that came off the wrong way. I sometimes forget that arguing w ignorant people is pointless. Next time I'll just ignore it like I usually do.
  • zincink
    You are racist against trailer parks and the people that live in them..

    So you are saying that lack of education and money create criminals.You an be poor and not be a scum. You can live in a trailer, tent, back seat of your car and still be able to be a decent human being. You can have no money and not rob your neighbor. It is called parenting and teaching proper manners. It is obvious that the majority of a certain generation lack this simple skill called "parenting". Teaching right from wrong doesn't require money and yes it was nice living in a trailer park.
  • heyhohey
    And you can be a rich white brat that went to etiquette school and still be a major a-hole scumbag.
  • zincink
    I'm rich? HAHAH that's hilarious! Congrats on your troll-ism.
  • heyhohey
    Wow. That's pretty dense. That would be an instance where "you" was used in a general term, not you specifically as a person. There are rich white kids who act worse than uneducated poor kids who had no real parenting.
  • Guest
    Based on your reply I'm not sure you even know how to read correctly.  For the record, I grew up in the projects and I am not a criminal either.  But I have lived around criminals enough, and seen my schoolmates grow into them, to know a little about what makes one.

    Lack of education and discipline includes manners as well.  Those are learned behaviors.  If the parents were never taught manners, they can't teach them to their children.  That's what's known as a vicious cycle.  That is what keeps ignorant people ignorant.  

    I never said everyone in trailer parks was scum.  I said the living conditions weren't good, same as in poor neighborhoods full of minorities.  And most of that has to do with lack of education and money.  I was replying to the person who said this:

    "and you don't want the presence of whites in your hood...lol..lol..why cause crime will decrease,noise will decrease,property values will increase and quality of life will increase..pretty much the complete opposite of what happens when minorities overtake a white 'hood."

    That, was a generalization.  That was a racist comment.
  • groganz
    As if there aren't hordes of white kids out every weekend doing drugs, throwing loud afterparties at 5am, pissing/vomiting in the street and generally acting like hooligans. The difference is they never have to face the legal consequences.

    You also might want to read up on what happened here in the 70s, when white landlords preyed on people's racist fears to scare them out of Brooklyn neighborhoods and then set fire to their own buildings for the insurance money. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...
  • dogbertt
    Well said.
  • ocm123
    Different parts of Bed-Stuy are different. Chauncy and Ralph (a block from where these guys lived) is completely different than some of the blocks a couple of miles to the West. Any police officer who works in that area would tell you that during the summer shots are fired on a daily basis in that immediate vicinity.

     Btw, 29 people were murdered and over 100 people were shot in Bed-Stuy last year, so obviously there are problematic areas. Of course the massive amount of violence does not mean that there are not good people living in the area
  • Soooo presumably the area has a massive and constant police presence, right?
  • ocm123
    I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic, but yes, there are a lot of foot posts in the area (as the NY Times article indicates).
  • GrahamCracked
    Calling all hipsters!  Arm yourselves and take these criminals out with a hot-lead thank-you between the eyes when they break in to your home... just make sure you fire a shot into your ceiling after you make sure the scum is dead - so when the cops show you can point to it and say "well, I fired a warning shot and the scumbag kept coming after me..."
  • Big_Al72
    You don't need to fire a warning shot. In New York State, as long as you "reasonably believe[] [shooting] to be necessary to prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of [the] burglary" then you can use deadly force if someone is trying to burglarize your home. 

    http://law.onecle.com/new-york...
  • uberzete
    Your belief that deadly force is necessary must be "reasonable."  That means you don't get to decide whether or not you are justified at killing someone who enters your home without permission, a jury does by considering what a "reasonable person" would do under the circumstances.

    The lesson is, don't just start shooting the moment you know someone is robbing your apartment because you might end up doing some jail time if a prosecutor decides to nail you.  

    Also, shooting a gun in a crowded apartment building (likely at night) is probably a bad idea to begin with.  If you miss and hit someone else (i.e., a neighbor), you might get nailed on the criminal and civil side. Then again, if you live in Bed-Stuy you probably don't have any assets to go after in a lawsuit.
  • Guest
    And have exhausted ALL other means, including escape. Also, firing a warning shot in a population dense area like Brooklyn not only wastes good ammo, but will likely harm someone else. Shooting through the ceiling of an apartment building is a staggeringly bad idea
  • "And have exhausted ALL other means, including escape." I agree with most of what you have you say, but that's just stupid. So you would just bail out of your apartment and leave a burglar with all your stuff? No thanks.
  • Perfect. A so called 'warning shot' is NEVER the responsible thing to do.
  • Big_Al72
    There's no requirement that you escape from your own home. The law just says you have to reasonably believe deadly force to be necessary. If you were out in public and someone acts in a threatening manner towards you then you have a duty to retreat if its possible, but that is not the case if you're in your own home.
  • GrahamCracked
    Agreed!  In your own home you should not have to 'escape'... thugs enter your home and threaten you - shoot to kill - PERIOD
  • GrahamCracked
    Also, make sure you aim to kill - one shot, multiple shots could be grounds for the family of the thugs to claim "murder"
  • uberzete
    Actually, shooting at a burglar with the intent to kill him is still murder if you actually kill him.  1 shot or 10, you still had the intent to kill someone by shooting at them. NY Penal code 125.25.
  • GrahamCracked
    UNLESS you believe that your life is at risk - then it is self defense:
    New York Penal Law section 35.15 effectively ordains that: "A person
    may... use DEADLY physical force upon another person" "when and to the
    extent he reasonably believes such to be NECESSARY to defend himself or a
    third person from what he reasonably believes to be .... a kidnapping,
    forcible rape, forcible sodomy or ROBBERY; or (c) ... a BURGLARY...."
    There is no duty to retreat under these circumstances.
  • ButtPlugs
    invest in blanks?
  • GrahamCracked
    Thanks Big_Al72, good to know.
  • Guess the "Stuy" isn't as cool a nabe as the Swhick.  Welcome to Brooklyn kids
  • Did you read the article? The one kid is from Brownsville. And they all go to Brooklyn College. Not exactly NYU. But, ya know, I'm sure you'll throw them a good housewarming in their next apt.

    I'm glad they're pushing on and staying, shell-shocked as they are. They're better off heading to southern Brooklyn or Queens if they want something cheap while also storing that kind of equipment. Who do the robbers terrorize when white people aren't involved? More than likely the innocent people of their own goddamn neighborhood. And the girl that "giggled" when asked about the violence--that's either an affectation or unfortunate, learned stupidity. These islands of economic and cultural waste need to be knit back into the larger fabric of the city, not through gentrification, but by bridging the gap that allows the depraved hoodlums to rule area through violence. Obviously that isn't simple, but the internal logic that creates these pockets can be broken. Won't be pretty though :-\
  • Brooklyn College is not exactly NYU? Exactly!!!!    Brooklyn College is a better school with the best chemistry department on the east coast, The geology dept. has scientists who were instrumental in developing the theory of plate tectonics, the music dept. has the world's best known violinists, etc. BC is one of the top schools in the country.
  • nice job
    yeah boston college is a top schoo--oh, you mean BROOKLYN college? you serious? someone lied to you...
  • Settle down there cowboy. I wasn't disparaging Brooklyn College. Actually, if anything, I was sniping at NYU. If you read the previous comment, to which I was replying, you would see that person "welcoming" these kids to Brooklyn, which is a bit pompous given the (presumably missed) details. 


    People are a little quick on the trigger finger around these parts. Thankfully the robbers in the story weren't Gothamist commentors...
  • dogbertt
    Why do we tolerate this shit without getting ours back?

    Does no tree grow in Brooklyn?
  • PanBenek
    I am amazed at the sight of young white people getting off the G-train in Bed-Stuy. These kids are learning the hard way.
  • The G stops on the border of Bed Stuy.  Hardly dangerous compared to a few miles East.
  • birdtird
    Do or Die
  • NlGGAZ
    Moving to bushwick? That's maybe one degree better. I remember I was at cafe regular and this new barrista was working there and he was a flaming effete gay and he told me he had just moved to bedstuy and then I laughed and warned him it was dangerous and he said that it's a lot better now. I wonder how he's doing?
  • heyhohey
    Bushwick is basically Williamsburg now. It's a sea of white 22 year olds.
  • dnlprz
    can someone kill all the poor people?
  • ButtPlugs
    troll harder
  • 9illy
    Do you mean the musicians or the robbers or both?
  • Rocknrope
    "He leans into my face and he's like 'Do you see me? Do you see my face? and I'm like, 'Yeah," and—bam!—he hits me in the face,"

    That's some David Mamet shit right there.
  • you mean it's overrated, ham-handed, tripe?
  • SmuckTheFurfs
    Why does the NY Times care so much about hipsters?
  • petey2
    They're sales are down, and are trying to find a new market.
  • THEY ARE sales are down?  What does that mean?
  • GODDAMNIT  FROOBER.

    Can't take you anywhere.
  • arboc
    Grammar police to the rescue!
  • Hey someone's gotta dispose of all that PBR and tacky 1950s clothing...
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