I think...charge the school safety dude in keeping with the law, but off the record, kudos for having the balls, as long as he didn't hurt anyone else.

i dont believe this. They has come when a citizen try to protect himself and his fellow citizens are raked through the coals for taking action and doing something heroic, and yet the criminals carry no responsibility for their criminal behavior. When the criminals know that we are all cowards and wont fight back to defend ourselves, this nation will be lost. STAND UP AND BE COUNTED YOU FOOLS!

Criminals having guns: well, duh. Citizens having guns: crime! Makes sense, right?

Yeah yeah we have heard it all before. Take your BS rhetoric down the road will ya? We like the fact that you aren't allow to carry a gun here in NYC. I shudder to think about what would happen if every nut like you was armed. As incompetent as NYPD is, Id rather have them armed than you!

Please, who is this "We" you speak for? And how do all of you feel about the five men with guns who decided to rob the repair shop?

The voters of NYC. Contrary to the delusions of certain commenters here, this was not some crazy policy recently forced upon the city by lunatic fringe groups. Its a long standing policy that is in place because most of NYC thinks its better if every idiot doesn't have a gun in their house.

Polls show support for current gun policy in NYC.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...

http://www.firearmstruth.com/2...

And yes, it goes without saying that the robbers are criminals who should be arrested and put in jail. That much is clear, so no need to repeat it every time you suggest that firing at fleeing suspects in one of the worlds most densely populated cities MIGHT not be a great idea.

The problem with that is that after 2 recent Supreme Court cases, decided after the policy was put into place, there remains lingering questions over the constitutionality of the policies in NYC and their enforcement.

Well then take it to court. Its hilarious that the current conservative court is the most pro-corporate, anti-states rights court there has ever been. So I have a feeling if the right case came up they would overturn all municipal handgun laws.

That would be WONDERFUL. No more robberies, then all we would have to worry about would be Mordicai getting too drunk and shooting his neighbors through the window.

You know, that and convenience store holdups turning into shootouts as hot-headed untrained vigilantes try to make names for themselves.

Before I get painted as something I'm not, I do agree with some of the limitations on gun ownership in NY and disagree with others. I may be wrong but I believe there are multiple cases in courts right now challenging the policies.

I doubt all municipal handgun laws would be overturned since in both Supreme Court cases the Court rejected doing so when given the chance.

My original point was that if the law or policy is found unconstitutional it does not matter what the majority of people in NYC want. Just the same as the 1st Amendment.

Not trying to paint you as anything. IF it was found that NYC's laws were unconstitutional, then they would not be enforceable. That hasn't happened yet, and the voters of NYC support current policy.

My point was that people really have no basis to bitch about NYC gun laws. Up until now they have been considered constitutional, and have the support of the people. If you don't like it you can vote for people who will repeal it, but don't cry to me when someone is prosecuted for violating those laws.

I would be interested to read about the pending cases you mentioned. Can you link?

Sure, no problem. There may be others but the one that comes to mind is rather recent and discussed here: https://www.nytimes.com/2011/0...

So, I'm going to go out on a limb and say the NYTimes poll you showed was preying more on peoples fears than aiming for an unbiased report. I may feel that way because it's a four year old poll directly tied to coverage about the Virginia Tech shootings.

And your other poll is brilliant. "Do you think banning private gun ownership would reduce crime" with 74% of votes being yes. I can tell you now - it wouldn't have stopped this crime, or a majority of violent crimes committed with guns. Why? Because they're illegally owned guns.

I'm not a strong pro-gun person, but saying 'ban them all and we'll be safe' is a head-in-the-sand approach to a problem. As Mayor Mike has shown us on a few occasions, it's not hard to get illegal guns in the city.

I have no interest in a discussion about gun control or gun ownership or crime. My point was that NYC gun laws have the support of the voters. Thats what those polls were intended to illustrate.

Im not a strong anti-gun person either. I simply think that that if people don't like NYC gun control laws they can a) vote and suck it up if people don't agree with them or b) move to another state.

My opposition to private gun ownership has more to do with children shooting each other (accidents) than with crime. So as I said before take your tired "Outlaw guns and only outlaws have guns" rhetoric down the road.

Five armed men couldn't have robbed the shop, didn't you hear, guns are illegal. That makes them disappear, right?

isn't that self-defense? they did shoot at him...

There is no self defense in NY state. Move to texas if you dont like liberals running the govt.

Yes, there is. In fact there are multiple statutes in the penal law that specifically describe self-defense justification and their limitations. The problem he may have here is that it may no longer be justified once the criminals left and he was no longer in danger.

Or, you know, campaign to have different laws in your city. Or vote accordingly.

Stupid thing to do but I'm not sure that you need a license to pick up and shoot someone else's gun. Maybe he could be charged with reckless endangerment or a similar charge.

Wait, so this asshole followed them out the door and squeezed off at least six rounds into the nighttime street on fleeing perps who didn't even steal anything?

Gee. What a hero.