Pro-Israel Panty Protest May Have A Problem

P.S. I'm here all week. Try the veal!

OMG, wow. holy cow. Ok, what was this article about? I never read it, lol.

Boycotts and divestment resolutions:

* Blame only Israel for the conflict. They rarely acknowledge incitement, terrorism or the need for Israel to use counterterrorism measures.
* Distort historical facts and spread misinformation about Israel’s counterterrorism actions and policies.
* Deny or ignore the steps that Israel has repeatedly taken to promote compromise and peace.
* Rarely condemn the Palestinian role in the continuing conflict.

If you think you are unbiased, learn more about BDS here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Boycotts and divestment resolutions:

* Blame only Israel for the conflict. They rarely acknowledge incitement, terrorism or the need for Israel to use counterterrorism measures.
* Distort historical facts and spread misinformation about Israel’s counterterrorism actions and policies.
* Deny or ignore the steps that Israel has repeatedly taken to promote compromise and peace.
* Rarely condemn the Palestinian role in the continuing conflict.

"Rarely condemn the Palestinian role in the continuing conflict. "

Israel was a group of foriegners deciding to create a state in land they didn’t own and were not residents of. when the couldn’t get the body that was supposed to protect the rights of the residents to well sell them out so they chose war to conqueror it.

Now that you've got your land, there are over 4 million Arabs on it and you've kept them in virtual prision for 40-60 years. When are you going to start treating those Arabs as Equal Human Beings? Israel and its supporters have no answer for that. They love to say we must a "Jewish" state but won't say what they intend to do with the Palestenians there? Ethnically cleanse them? Strip of them of citizenship? Drive them into neighboring Jordan?

In the long term, there is no solution. Its already over. One state with equal rights for all is unavoidable.

Let’s try again, in a more simple format:

1517-1917 Turkey occupied the areas now referred to as Israel, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.
1914 – 1918 Turkey allied with Germany; when Germany was defeated, so were the Turks.
1918 Great Britain, France, Italy and Japan, became the occupiers; France occupied Lebanon and Syria, and Great Britain occupied Palestine.

The inhabitants of Palestine at this time were Jews, Christian Arabs, Muslim Arabs, Druze and Bedouin. But no peoples had established a Nation State in the land since the Jews had done it 5,000 years before.

1923, under the League of the Nations' Mandate for Palestine, Britain divided Palestine into two areas; 27.8% of the land west of the Jordan River for the Palestinian Jews and 72.2% east of the Jordan River for the Palestinian Arabs. This latter was named Trans-Jordan.

Trans-Jordan was given to the rule of Emir Abdullah (who came from Hejaz - now Saudi Arabia) who agreed to resettle the Palestinian Arabs living on the 27.8% of the land west of the Jordan River. Here comes the crunch – HE DIDN’T!

The bottom line is that THE PALESTINIAN ARABS WERE ALLOCATED AN "ARAB PALESTINIAN" HOMELAND, in what is now Jordan. The remaining 27.8% of Palestine (now west of the Jordan River) was to be the "Jewish Palestinian" homeland.

The British remained in occupation of the land allocated to the Jews, and when the Arabs who remained west of the Jordan River, started to attack the Jewish Palestinians in an effort to drive them out, the British took no action. Why? Because of the oil! (Sound familiar?)

1947, the UN passed Resolution 181, to divide the remaining 27.8% of Palestine into two further states; a SECOND Arab Palestinian State based upon population concentrations in the Gaza Strip plus Judea-Samaria; the remainder for the Jewish Palestinians.

The Jewish Palestinians accepted…..... the Arab Palestinians rejected - because they wanted ALL of the land, both East AND West of the Jordan River.


May 14, 1948 the Palestinian Jews declared their bit of land the State of Israel and became "Israelis." The next day, SEVEN neighbouring Arab armies, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen, invaded Israel. It was these Arab armies who told the Arabs living within the boundaries of the newly declared Israel, to leave, so they could slaughter of the Jews. 70% of the Palestinian Arabs who left in 1948 – perhaps 300,000 to 400,000 of them – never even saw an Israeli soldier!
Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip) and Trans-Jordan occupied Judea-Samaria.

1950, Trans-Jordan merged Judea-Samaria into itself and granted the 'Palestinian Arabs' living there Jordanian citizenship - and Trans-Jordan was re-named simply "Jordan". So, the Arabs of Palestine ended up with nearly 85% of the original territory of Palestine.......called Jordan but in reality their Arab "Palestinian state.
The Jews were left with just 15% of the land originally known as Palestine.

From 1949 - 1967 when Jordan occupied the West Bank and Jerusalem in 1949, (and Egypt occupied Gaza), no effort was ever made by Egypt or Jordan to support the Palestinian Arabs to develop a Nation State. It wasn’t until 1964 that Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat decided to re-create The 'Palestinians' as a nation of Moslems.


The population of Jordan at June 2010 was 6,407,085 living on 89,213 square kilometers.

The population of Israel at June 2010 was 7,683,900 living on 20,700 square kilometers.

I suggest you re-read the last two sentences again. And again. And again.

Then go check it out.


Then read it again……………


The population of Jordan at June 2010 was 6,407,085 living on 89,213 square kilometers.

The population of Israel at June 2010 was 7,683,900 living on 20,700 square kilometers.

[BTW It is believed that 15,000 – 20,000 of the population of Israel are refugees from tyranny in Sudan, Darfur, Burma and elsewhere]

I agree with you. The Palestinians deserve better:

Egypt: 70,000 Palestinian refugees were denied citizenship.
“We can’t own a house, land, or get a loan from the bank despite the fact that I was born here and have no idea what is Palestine.”–Ahmed Mahmoud Zahar (35), born in Egypt to an Egyptian mother and married an Egyptian wife

Lebanon: 400,000 Palestinian refugees were denied citizenship and
basic rights. Palestinian refugees make up 10 percent of Lebanon’s population, but are denied rights to social services, property ownership, and 70 occupations. “For 55 years now, Palestinian refugees in Lebanon have been oppressed and robbed of their most basic civil rights…a degrading life.”–Ibrahim al-Shayeb, Lebanese refugee and PLO media office employee

Syria: 410,000 Palestinian refugees were denied citizenship rights. Syria refused entry to 3,000 Palestinian refugees fleeing from Iraq who have been forced to live in “severe conditions” in camps on the Iraq-Syria border.

Kuwait: 450,000 Palestinian refugees were denied citizenship (until
1991). In 1991, 300,000 to 450,000 were abruptly expelled when Palestinians supported Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait. Those who remain “live under strict surveillance and enjoy only very limited rights.” (Swedish Ministry of Foreign Affairs Report, 2000)

Libya: 40,000 Palestinian refugees were denied citizenship. In 1995-96, 30,000 were abruptly deported because Libya opposed the PLO entering the Oslo Peace Accords.

Palestinian Authority (PA): 1.8 million Palestinian refugees
were denied better living conditions and integration. The PA refused to invest any of its billions of foreign-aid dollars to improve refugee housing, claiming that until they get the right of return to Israel, their plight must remain “testimony to the crime that the occupation state made against our nation for 56 years.” (Al-Hayat Al-Jadida,
June 29, 2004)

Let's remember it was Israel that accepted every peace proposal since 1947 and the Palestinans/Arabs that rejected it.

Everyone is still waiting. It takes two parties to negotiate.

Peaceful negotiations require a partner.

Still want some links?

http://www.aifl.org/html/web/r...

http://www.israelnationalnews....

Now try to find some one that make a basic, half-hearted attempt to be unbiased. As an active academic I'm surprised you aren't taking a more balanced view on the issues.

Fox News is more credible as an unbiased source of information than the two sources you just listed.

No, I don't have a blog. These are extracts from my own dissertations.

I'd be interested to hear your understanding of events in the lands previously under Ottoman Occupation - say from the beginning of the 20th Century up to the end of WWII.

God help your thesis advisor.

G-d certainly won't be helping the likes of you, that's for sure....

Yes, what with me actually typing in the "o" and all...

For an all-powerful entity, your guy sure is touchy. Take Lot's wife. Please.

I'm still learning :)

Roni, I feel for you if these are dissertations and not from a HS paper.

You and I both know, the hasbra you're pushing is the fantasy of Israel supporters...

"Zionists didn't take someone elses land ...no, no...there were no Palestenians there! All those refugee camps
filled with thousands of people oh no they had just come over from the weekend from East of the Jordan river."

Ugh. Its as vile as Holocaust denial. Every document about I/P since 1880 has talked about the Palestenians, the idiginous people, the eventual refugees. What are you going to do with them by the way? 4 million people who you claim were just tourists that live in the area Israel occupies...and the other 20% in Israel proper. They already outnumber the Jewish-Israelis....what are you going to do to ensure Israel stays a 'Jewish' state...are you going push them into the sea...move them to Jordan proper? How are you going to get rid of these 4 million Palestenians that you claim dont exist?


Any who, Mondoweiss.net is a good site for ME debates. You should go there & learn something.....Here is a good analysis

http://mondoweiss.net/2011/03/...

And your point is?

One may be British because there is a Nation State named Britain; a Nation State is defined as a community organized under one government according to an idea of nationhood or nationality derived from, but not limited to, common ancestry, language, customs, religion, land ownership.

Hamas, Fatah, the Palestinian Authority and Islamic Jihad do not, between them, qualify as a Nation State.
Without a Nation State there is no Statehood, therefore your premise fails.

The Jewish population in Judea/Samaria is approximately 305,000 out of a total population of about 2,500,000.

The Jewish population in Gaza is 1 - and he is kidnapped soldier Gilad Shalit who has been held in captivity in contravention of International Law since June 2006

cmdrogogov

I wrote it myself - I'm a Biblical Historian

nothing like a good fictional work :D

nonetheless, please try to post it as a link to a blog or something (I'm sure you have one)

Unkle_Bob

You "don't have time to read that whole long thing", or the truth is too painful?


For a picture of Palestine in the late 1800s I suggest you read 'Valley of Strength' by Shulamit Lapid when the Land was under Ottaman rule.

NB The Palestinian Jews didn't tell the Palestinian Arabs to flee their homes - Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen told them to.

One week in Israel last year:

At least 20 missiles were fired by Gaza terrorists at the coastal city of Ashkelon between midnight and 8:00 a.m. Saturday morning with more fired later in the day. By evening, six civilians were wounded and a number of others suffered emotional shock in the attacks.

One rocket slammed into a house in the port city, sending the occupants into severe shock. A car exploded in flames after being hit by another missile in the city.

Early Sabbath morning, a woman and two children were lightly wounded and a number of others suffered shock in one of the rocket attacks.

Later in the day, one civilian was moderately wounded and two others were lightly injured in a rocket attack on the Ashkelon Marine Coastal Center. Several other people were treated for shock.

All of the injured were taken to the city's Barzilai Hospital with shrapnel wounds. The Health Department ordered the hospital to transfer its maternity and neo-natal units to protected shelters.

One third of the residents of Sderot have left the that city and more than 75 percent of its children suffer from Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) as a result of the thousands of rocket attacks fired on the city in the past seven years.

An eight-year-old boy lost a leg and his 19-year-old brother was also seriously injured in a rocket attack on Sderot one week ago.

The city of Netivot, in the western Negev, as well as the southern Jerusalem neighborhood of Gilo came under fire Saturday night after midnight.

A Grad-type Katyusha rocket was fired from Gaza, landing in the Negev town of Netivot before dawn Sunday morning. It landed in an open field. No injuries or damage were reported, though the landing did christen yet another large town, now within range of extended rocket fire from Gaza.

Posters around Netivot prior to the 2005 Disengagement warned residents that a Gaza withdrawal would lead to their homes being shelled.

Jerusalem’s Gilo neighborhood was once again fired upon from PA-controlled Beit Jalla. The attacks were a regular occurrence at the start of the Oslo War, resulting in the construction of huge concrete barriers and the eventual dismantling of PA infrastructure in the area during Operation Defensive Shield.

Terrorists opened fire toward IDF soldiers near the Jewish town of Psagot in the Binyamin region on Saturday night. No soldiers were injured in the attack.

Psagot is on the outskirts of Ramallah, the seat of power of the Fatah branch of the Palestinian Authority. Fatah is controlled by PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas and receives millions of dollars in funding and weapons training from the United States.

Earlier Saturday, Arabs threw Molotov cocktails at soldiers in Hevron. An Arab man who attempted to throw a bomb at soldiers in Beit Oumar was wounded when the bomb blew up in his hand; he was taken to an Israeli hospital for treatment.

Hundreds of Jewish families living in the temporary village of Nitzan have begun hearing the “Color Red” warning system, which has been put into use in coastal towns near Ashkelon. However, residents of the village continue to live in caravans, and have no sheltered space to run to in case of missile or rocket attacks.

“There is no protection in the area and no option to hide. We are exposed to fire and to danger with no possibility to seek protection anywhere,” a spokesman for the community said Saturday. A rocket that landed on a caravan last week destroyed the caravan completely, he added.

Staff members in Barzilai hospital in Ashkelon moved all premature babies to a protected room reinforced against rocket strikes on Saturday, at the request of the IDF Home Front Command. The move was made just two days after several Grad-type Katyusha rockets landed in Ashkelon, some near the hospital.

Several people were wounded in rocket strikes in Ashkelon on Saturday. The decision to move some immobile patients to sheltered rooms was seen as a lesson from the Second Lebanon War, when many rocket attack victims were taken to hospitals that were not reinforced against rocket attacks.

A number of other Israeli children were also hurt in rocket attacks in the past week, including one who was hit by shrapnel as she huddled outside a bomb shelter seconds after hearing the wail of the Color Red rocket alert siren.

An initial IDF statement quoted PA sources, saying "according to the report, 12 of the casualties were civilians. PA [Chairman] Mahmoud Abbas has called on Israel to stop all strikes in Gaza and urged Palestinian [terrorist] groups to halt ongoing rocket attacks on Israeli communities."

A subsequent statement by the IDF spokesperson's office noted, "Since the beginning of last night’s operations, forces have identified nine Grad missile launchings, four which are confirmed as having landed in Israel, near Ashkelon. In addition to this 30 Qassam rockets were fired, 13 of which fell in Israel, and 11 mortar shells were fired, three which fell in Israel."

Attacks by Givati and Armoured Brigades eliminated numerous terrorist cells firing mortar shells, rockets, anti-tank missiles and RPG (rocket-propelled grenades).

Two Israeli soldiers paid for their units' success with their lives. Both were members of the IDF's elite Givati Brigade.

One of the soldiers was identified as 20-year-old Staff Sergeant Doron Asulin of Be'er Sheva, a member of the Givati Brigade's patrol battalion. The second soldier is Staff Sergeant Eran Dan Gur, 20 from Jerusalem, a member of the Givati Brigade's Shaked battalion.

Six others suffered shrapnel wounds in the same clash; one officer was moderately wounded and five other soldiers were lightly injured.

IDF soldiers bombed a truck in northern Gaza carrying 160 rockets ready for use against Israel.

More than 180 missiles have been launched at Israel by Gaza terrorists – two rocket launches per hour -- since Wednesday.

On Saturday, reported the IDF in its statement, "A salvo of more than 50 Kassam rockets was launched today from Gaza at Israeli cities and towns in southern Israel, injuring 22 residents of Sderot and Ashkelon and causing severe damage to property.
Barzilai Medical Center in Ashkelon was also the target of a rocket strike earlier in the week. Over 90 rockets have been launched at southern Israel since Thursday."

Several barrages of Grad missiles were fired at Ashkelon between midnight and 8:00 a.m. Saturday, injuring a woman and two children by flying shrapnel.

Three other people were injured in the port city's Marine Coastal Center late Saturday afternoon. One was moderately wounded and two others suffered light injuries.

Late Friday afternoon, two Kassam rockets exploded in the Sderot cemetery. Earlier in the day, a rocket scored a direct hit on a house in the western Negev city, lightly wounding one woman and sending a number of others into shock.

PA officials slammed Israel for the intensified attacks on Gaza. PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas asked the United Nations to intervene and force Israel to stop its counterterrorist activities.

Hamas terrorists were recently warned by Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit that Egyptian security forces would "cut the legs off" anyone who tried to repeat the terrorists' breach of the Gaza-Egypt border near Rafiah in January. Hamas blew up a 200-meter length of border barrier, enabling hundreds of thousands of Gaza Arabs to flood through the border while attacking Egyptian security personnel as they tried to reseal the barrier.

The decision was not taken lightly to respond to these repeated attacks. The Israel Defence Forces are trying to take out the rocket launchers that are being used to fire rockets at Israeli towns & civilians - however, due to the Hamas policy of using teenagers to retrieve these launchers once they have been fired, & due to them being set up in areas of high population density, it is inevitable that some civilians will get killed alongside the Hamas terrorists.
However, they at least get to die a 'martyr's death' which is what they actually want, as they are promised 72 virgins in Heaven.

quit posting verbatim copies and just post a link, for crying out loud.

Rubbing who, exactly?

A brief history of the Middle East, not propoganda, verifiable history:

From 1517-1917 Turkey's Ottoman Empire controlled a vast Arab Empire.
Prior to World War I (1914 - 1918), the area now referred to as Israel, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, were part of this Empire. During World War I, the Turks were allied with Germany, and when Germany was defeated, so were the Turks. So the four Principal Allied Powers of World War I - Great Britain, France, Italy and Japan, became the occupiers.

In 1916, control of the Southern portion of the old Ottoman Empire was divided - Lebanon and Syria were assigned to France, and "Palestine" (today's Jordan, Israel and "West Bank") was mandated to Great Britain.

The inhabitants of "Palestine" at this time were Jews, Christian Arabs, a number of nomadic warring tribes (based upon extended families), Druze and Bedouin. That was it. No infrastructure, no factories, no highways, no schools, no trains, no airports. Nothing. Just a lot of sand and swamps and rocks and thistles, plus few assorted settlements of Jews who had lived here for centuries, and early Kibbutzim, started by the Jewish refugees from Eastern Europe. At this time, NO other peoples had EVER established a national homeland in "Palestine" since the Jews had done it 5,000 years before.

Even the electricity supply in Israel today, for example, was put in by the British in the early 1900's.

The 'Palestinians' as a nation of Moslems, were a creation of Egyptian-born Yasser Arafat in 1964, with the main goal of destroying the Jewish people living in the Land of Israel. - still the defined goal of Hamas, today.

In 1923, the British divided the "Palestine" portion of the Ottoman Empire into two areas; 27.8% of the land west of the Jordan River was allocated to create a Jewish Palestinian National Homeland, and 72.2% east of the Jordan River was allocated to form an Arab Palestinian National Homeland - called Trans-Jordan.

The territory east of the Jordan River was given to Emir Abdullah (from Hejaz, now Saudi Arabia) who was not even an Arab-"Palestinian!"
Problems arose, because Jordan abrogated their responsibilities to the Palestinian Arabs that were living on the Lands - contrary to the agreements that were made with them in 1923.


In 1946, Trans-Jordan was again renamed simply Jordan. In other words, the Eastern 72.2% of what was Palestine was renamed twice, in effect, erasing all connection to the name "Palestine!"
The bottom line is that THE PALESTINIAN ARABS WERE ALLOCATED AN "ARAB PALESTINIAN" HOMELAND, in what is now Jordan. The remaining 27.8% of Palestine (now west of the Jordan River) was to be the "Jewish Palestinian" homeland.

The Arabs of the remaining Palestinian territory west of the Jordan River, started to launch attacks upon the Jewish Palestinians in an effort to drive them out. The British turned a blind eye due to the large oil deposits being discovered throughout the Arab Middle East.

In 1947, the UN passed Resolution 181, known as the Partition Plan, intended to divide the remaining 27.8% of Palestine into a Jewish Palestinian State and a SECOND Arab Palestinian State (Trans-Jordan being the first) based upon population concentrations. These were to be the Gaza Strip plus Judea-Samaria - today termed the "West Bank" of the Jordan River).
The Jewish Palestinians accepted…..... the Arab Palestinians rejected - because they wanted all of the land, both East AND West of the Jordan River - and to get rid of all the Jews.
In doing this, the General Assembly of the UN violated the League of the Nations' Mandate for Palestine in that it granted political rights to the Arabs in Western Palestine - yet, ironically, the Jews accepted the plan, while the Arabs worked to prevent it.

On May 14, 1948 the Palestinian Jews declared their own State of Israel and became "Israelis." The next day, SEVEN neighbouring Arab armies, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Yemen, invaded Israel. They encouraged most of the Arabs living within the boundaries of the 'newly declared' Israel, to leave, in order to facilitate the slaughter of the Jews -promising that they would be given all Jewish property after the 'victorious Arab armies' won the war.

70% of the Palestinian Arabs who left in 1948 – perhaps 300,000 to 400,000 of them – never even saw an Israeli soldier! They did not flee because they feared Jewish retaliation, but because they determined that while they were gone the Jews would be exterminated, and they would return afterwards to inherit those nice Jewish properties, built with Jewish money from overseas. They guessed wrong; and the Palestinian Arabs are still tortured by the shame of their flight. Their shame is so great because in their eyes running from Jews was like running from women.

The result of the 1948 - 1949 Israeli War of Independence was that the almost-created second Palestinian Arab State was gobbled up by (1) Egypt (occupying the Gaza Strip) and by (2) Trans-Jordan (occupying Judea-Samaria (today termed the "West Bank" of the Jordan River).

During 1950, Trans-Jordan merged the West Bank territory into itself and granted the 'Palestinian Arabs' living there Jordanian citizenship. Since Trans-Jordan was then no longer confined to one side of the Jordan River, it renamed itself simply "Jordan". So, the Arabs of Palestine ended up with nearly 85% of the original territory of Palestine... called Jordan but in reality their Arab "Palestinian state.

From 1949 - 1967 When Egypt occupied Gaza in 1949, and Jordan occupied the West Bank and Jerusalem in 1949, no effort was ever made by Egypt or Jordan to support the Palestinian Arabs to develop their own autonomy.

Nevertheless, Israel is being expected to now provide these same Arabs with their own country when their fellow Arabs failed to do so!!!

The Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon expelled Jews from Gaza in September 2005. They left behind thriving agricultural businesses, schools, highways and beautiful homes. The Gazans turned it all to rubble or missile launching pads within days.

Conveniently ignoring such blemishes on the israeli record such as the bombing of palestinian civilians by irgun that began in 1938.

Let's not forget that one smaller-time set of whackjobs, at the time known as lehi, continued attacks on allied personnel even during ww2.

How about the King David Hotel bombing of 1946? Or the lynching of two British sargeants un 1947?

All of these historical facts are easily verifiable by taking 5 minutes on Google, and yet that doesn't stop continued attempts to rewrite history. The actions of militants on either side are inexcusable - but I don't think bulldozing people's homes, chicken farms and livelihoods over (with the occasional blogger and tourist) is a great way to get people to sympathize with the israeli cause.

More recently;
Air strike June 7, 1981, that destroyed a nuclear reactor under construction 17 kilometers (10.5 miles) southeast of Baghdad, Iraq. The political ramifications of this test put political pressure on the administrators of the Pripyat/Chernobyl power plant to investigate enhanced SCRAM (emergency shutdown) procedures in order to prevent a full-on meltdown in the case of attack. In effect, had the airstrike not happened, neither would have the Chernobyl incident. Hardly a direct causation but only a fool would claim they aren't related.

Dropping anti-tank cluster and phosphorous munitions on inhabited apartment buildings in Lebanon: http://www.haaretz.com/news/id...

Embargo preventing basic foodstuffs and medical supplies, and occasional squeezing of electricity supply to Palestinian areas in Gaza and the West Bank - which was somewhat eased in June but is still extremely restrictive: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/mid...

Terrorists activities by the IDF against food production:
http://www.countercurrents.org...

Having an independently verified UNDECLARED NUCLEAR ARSENAL (source: Mordechai Vanunu, the Israeli nuclear technician)



My point is that these methods were clearly considered acceptable by certain factions and individuals in order to establish the state of israel, and as far as the facts go, they haven't altered their behavior since.

You have conveniently forgotten that there is blood on the hands of everyone - and as a result it's extremely hard to feel sympathy when israel continues to so flagrantly ignore basic human rights.


I suppose next up will come the inevitable ad-hominem accusations of being anti-semitic just because I don't view one group of terrorists as being better than another - so let me head that off with this:

Nobody here is 'better' than anyone else, the only asymmetry being one side is armed to the teeth and funded by the wealthiest nations in the world.

I don't have time to read that whole long thing, especially since I pretty quickly ran into bullshit:

You talk about "Palestine" not having any infrastructure. Yeah, so? People still lived there. Just because there aren't power plants and paved roads doesn't make it any less of a place.

You are the only one with any sense here. No one else understands...they are all so anti Jewish. I myself thank you greatly for your posts!!!

Agreed they can work together. But Israel cannot always be the masseur. It keeps rubbing the Palestinians the wrong way. http://sajepress.com

Comments by Dennis Miller

Let me share my current thoughts on the blockade of Gaza by Egypt and Israel .

For those of you who don't like Dennis Miller, who is not Jewish, you may want to reconsider after reading his brilliant comments that follow. Please pass it on to your friends.

For those who don't know, Dennis Miller is a comedian who has a show called Dennis Miller Live on HBO. Although he is not Jewish, he recently had the following to say about the Middle East situation:

'A brief overview of the situation is always valuable, so as a service to all Americans who still don't get it, I now offer you the story of the Middle East in just a few
paragraphs, which is all you really need.

Here we go:

The Palestinians want their own country. There's just one thing about that: There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word.

Israel was called Palestine for two thousand years.

Like 'Wiccan,' 'Palestinian' sounds ancient but is really a modern invention. Before the Israelis won the land in the 1967 war, Gaza was owned by Egypt, the West Bank was owned by Jordan, and there were no Palestinians.'

As soon as the Jews took over and started growing oranges as big as basketballs, what do you know, say hello to the
'Palestinians',weeping for their deep bond with their lost 'land' and 'nation'.

So for the sake of honesty, let's not use the word 'Palestinian' any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out
they're being taped. Instead, let's call them what they are: 'Other Arabs Who Can't Accomplish Anything In Life And Would
Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death.' I know that's a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this then: 'Adjacent Jew-Haters'. Okay, so the Adjacent Jew-Haters want their own country.
Oops, just one more thing: No, they don't . They could've had their own country. Anytime in the last thirty years,
especially several years ago at Camp David. But If you have your own country, you have to have traffic lights and garbage trucks. And Chambers of Commerce, and worse, you actually have to figure out some way to make a living.

That's no fun. No, they want what all the other Jew-Haters in the region want: Israel. They also want a big pile of dead Jews, of course that's where the real fun is -- but
mostly they want Israel.

Why? For one thing, trying to destroy Israel - or 'The Zionist Entity' as their textbooks call it -- for the last fifty years has allowed the rulers of Arab countries to divert the attention of their own people away from the fact that they're the blue-ribbon most illiterate, poorest, and tribally backward on God's Earth, and if you've ever been
around God's Earth, you know that's really saying something.

It makes me roll my eyes every time one of our pundits waxes poetic about the great history and culture of the Muslim
Mideast. Unless I'm missing something, the Arabs haven't given anything to the world since Algebra, and, by the way, thanks a hell of a lot for that one.

Chew this around and spit it out: Five hundred million Arabs; five million Jews.

Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that if Israel gives them half of
that pack of matches, everyone will be pals..

Really? Wow, what neat news.
Hey, but what about the string of wars to obliterate the tiny country and the constant din of rabid blood oaths to drive every Jew into the sea? Oh, that? We were just kidding.

My friend, Kevin Rooney, made a gorgeous point the other day: Just reverse the numbers. Imagine five hundred million
Jews and five million Arabs. I was stunned at the simple brilliance of it. Can anyone picture the Jews strapping belts of razor blades and dynamite to themselves? Of course not.
Or marshaling every fiber and force at their disposal for generations to drive a tiny Arab state into the sea? Nonsense.

Or dancing for joy at the murder of Innocents? Impossible.

Or spreading and believing horrible lies about the Arabs baking their bread with the blood of children? Disgusting.

No, as you know, left to themselves in a world of peace, the worst Jews would ever do to people is debate them to death.

However, in any big-picture strategy, there's always a danger of losing moral weight. We've already lost some.
After September 11th our president told us and the world he was going to root out all terrorists and the countries that supported them. Beautiful. Then the Israelis, after months and months of having the equivalent of an Oklahoma City every week (and then every day) start to do the same thing we did, and we tell them to show restraint.

If America were being attacked with an Oklahoma City every day, we would all very shortly be screaming for the administration to just be done with it and kill everything
south of the Mediterranean and east of the Jordan .

you have to be a Jew to write such hog wash.The Jews did debate alright when the trade infested blanket to the native American Indians,

when they turned brothers against brothers in the American civil war,

and finally they did debate when they was the biggest beneficiary of the over five hundred years of the black holocaust. History speak for it self, the Zionist has more blood on their hands than any other group of people. are we suppose to forget that the first chemical warfare to ever took place on American soil was carried out by the Jews.

the rape and massacre of million of black slave was done by the hand of a Jew, some of the girls and boys were under the age of 12 when they were draw from their slave quarters and savagely rape while their mother and father watch,to afraid to defend their love one.

History will tell you that behind any deceptive deal you would find a Jew.
The Jews do not want peace, ask your intelligence agency (Mossad) what they did to then U.S ambassador to the UN Andrew Young on July 25 1979.

ask them how many bugs they have place in this country especially Washington DC and furthermore ask them how they was able to listen to a conversation between Andrew Young, the Syrian ambassador and Bishara in Bishara house.

they blackmail Young and force him to resigned because he was working toward peace. so when you want to shoot trash to the American people get your facts right because some of us know your dirty secrets.

by the way it is illegal in this country to do wiretap without a warrant. you need to relay that to Mossad headquarter in Tel Aviv,

Pleasae quote your sources for the following: "the first chemical warfare to ever took place on American soil was carried out by the Jews"; "they turned brothers against brothers in the American civil war,"; "the rape and massacre of million of black slave was done by the hand of a Jew"; "History will tell you that behind any deceptive deal you would find a Jew"; "they blackmail Young and force him to resigned because he was working toward peace";

the relationship between the black and the jews

by way of deception the making and unmaking of a MOSSAD OFFICER victor Ostrovsky and Claire Hoy
St.Martin's Press New York

robert a rockaway a senior lecturer in the department of jewish history at Tel Aviv University wrote after the first world war jewish Gangsters became a Major figures in the American underworld and played prominent role in the creation and extension of organized crime in the United States.

Elie Weisel Hate tercher (Legends of our time )(1968) pp.177-178

Major Mordecia Manuel Noah (1785-1851) there is liberty under the name of slavery Freedom's Journal first publication.
Noah said to emancipate the slaves would be to jeopardize the safty of the whole country. the freedom's journal cakled Noah the black man bitterest enemy and Williams Lloyd Garrison the leading white abolitionist call him the Lineal descendant of the monsters who nailed jesus to the cross.

Rabbi Morris Rsphall
, Arnold Wizniter West India company that monopolized imports of slave from africa

Philadelphia Jewish weekly january 23,1863 check out recording

Moses Maimonides negros to my mind do not have the rank of men

herbert I bloom the christian inhabitants of Brazil were envious because the jew owned some of the best plantations and were the leading slave holder and slave tradersn in the colony
(port washington, new york: Kennika press 1937)pp159

Louis Epstein Author of sex laws and custom in Judaism: the female slave was a sex tool beneath the level of moral considerations. She was an economic good, useful, in addiotion to her menial labor, for breeding more slaves. to attain that purpose, the master mated her promiscuously according to his breeding plans. the master himself and his sons and other members of his house hold took turns with her for the increase of the family weaith, as well as for the satisfaction of their extra-marital sex desires.Guest and neighbors too were invited to the that luxury.

Rabbi Bertram W. Korn

Julius Kahn 12th term congressman

Isaac Mayer Wise the leader of the American reform jews take a look at his writing on the american indians

Jacob Rader Marcus (United States Jewry 1776-1985)(Detroit Wayne State University press1989)p586

Rabbi Marc Lee Raphael dutch colonial slave trade

now this is a little home work for you find out which one of the jews gave infested blankets to the american indians and call them a roden that the worldwill be better when they are destroy

Dennis Miller is a self-important right-wing moron, and this imbecilic little screed is a case in point.

That may or may not be true; but he states facts.

Actually, his rant is riddled with inaccuracies.

I'm very curious to know what sort of academic program would not impose on your work, at minimum, some standard of historical evidence. Something more rigorous than HBO, I mean...

Wow the whole thing is pretty offensive.

"There are no Palestinians. It's a made up word."

Wow.


Especially love about not being able to imagine Israelis being terrorists or violent...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...

Alas anyone can research what Miller says nowadays and learn the actual truth themselves. This is why Zionism is over with and is in its inevitable death spiral. Thank the internet. Thank the free flow of information. For example you can copy and paste Dennis Miller, I can quote Ghandi.

For those who don't know, Ghandi was one of the worlds deepest thinkers...this is what he thought of Zionism


"Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England
belongs to the English or France to the French. It is wrong and
in-human to impose the Jews on the Arabs. What is going on in
Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct.
The mandates have no sanction but that of the last war. Surely it
would be a crime against humanity to reduce the proud Arabs so
that Palestine can be restored to the Jews partly or wholly as
their national home. "


....And now a word to the Jews in Palestine. I have no doubt that
they are going about it the wrong way. The Palestine of the
Biblical conception is not a geographical tract. It is in their
hearts. But if they must look to the Palestine of geography as
their national home, it is wrong to enter it under the shadow of
the British gun. A religious act cannot be performed with the aid
of the bayonet or the bomb. They can settle in Palestine only by
the goodwill of the Arabs. They should seek to convert the Arab
heart. The same God rules the Arab heart who rules the Jewish
heart.

http://www.al-bushra.org/israe...

Ghandi may have been a 'deep thinker' on many levels, but his knowledge of Middle-Eastern History was limited.

He was also a well-known anti-semite.

You could quote Adolf Hitler, too, no doubt. Or the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. Wouldn't make them right, nor would it add any weight whatsoever to your inane, inaccurate arguement.

Your opinions lack depth, are devoid of understanding and reveal an abyss in the place where your general knowledge should be lodged.

So is Dennis Miller's.

And yours is better?

I also invite you to summarize the history of semitic peoples in the Middle East from 1517 - 1945.

Or to make it easier: identify and quantify the national status of the indigenous population of those areas which were constituent parts of the Ottaman Empire.

Thank you. Whether your words or not the point is perfectly put. There is no Palestine nor Palestinians. They have rejected the chance for their own land over and over. So few of us Jews in the world yet look at how much we have accomplished.

I am Palestinian, bitch.




How dare you.

Did you mean that you are a "palestinian bitch?" There is no palestine and there never will be. Get over it.

Close, but..

eh.. no. not even close.

But to put it simply: Palestinian are people who used to live in Palestine but got booted out when their country was invaded.

And if that happened to you, you know damn well you'd fight it.

No, they weren't 'booted out'.

A Saudi Arabia columnist, Mash'al Al-Sudairi, wrote in the daily newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat that Arabs have wasted time and money trying to destroy the Jewish State.

"………. [although the] Jewish occupation of a part of Palestine constitutes great oppression, the Arabs have a history of self-inflicted blows" resulting from opposition to the re-establishment of the Jewish State of Israel.

"When, in the early 1930s, we were offered 80 percent of Palestine, while the Jews were offered 20 percent, we rejected the offer. In the late 1940s, we were offered 49 percent of Palestine, and the Jews 51 percent, and we rejected that offer.

"…… I am positive, and am willing to bet and even to swear by Allah, that if only 10 percent of the money that the Arab countries invested in arming their forces during the futile fighting with Israel had been invested in what was left of Palestine and its people, the West Bank and Gaza would now be enjoying a living standard higher than that of Singapore."

And please tell me who invaded "Palestine"?

The Ottomans in 1517 & the British in 1923

Umm... the Jews?

I think you'll find that there were Jews in the Land of Israel long before there were Muslims. Mostly because Judaism preceded Islam by a couple thousand years!

Were there any Muslims in Israel when Jesus of Nazareth was born? NO! Islam hadn't been invented then - & Jesus was a Jew.

Thank you for the daily dose of shitty copied verbatim email forwards.

Its been close to 20 fucking years since the internet hit mainstream, you should know better.

But it was stated perfectly and every bit holds true today.

Except that it's a steaming pile of horseshit.

eh?

Um....the garments are made in Jordan, not any "occupied" territories, or ceded territories...how is that Israel's fault, besides the fact that it is mislabeled?

And of course, the laborers building the new properties which are supposedly going up in 'occupied territories' for housing Israelis, are ALL 'Palestinian' workers.
During the 10-month building freeze, these families were without any income & literally starving.

I'm not sure what your point is.

the per capita GDP of Palestenian is US$1,036, compared to $22,265 for an Israeli. Israelis are therefore twenty-two times as rich as Palestinians, on average.

That doesnt make you uncomfortable? Probably not.

It reminds me of something Einstein warned of 'the damage Judaism will sustain – especially from the development of a narrow nationalism within our own ranks… '

he was for a 'reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state. …the essential nature of Judaism resists the idea of a Jewish state with borders, an army, and a measure of temporal power…'

He was smart. He was right. Temporal.

"he was for a 'reasonable agreement with the Arabs on the basis of living together in peace than the creation of a Jewish state."

He was, in this matter, wrong.

And you know why? Go down the street in Ramallah & you'll see dozens of men sitting in cafes, smoking hiikah, playing backgammon, drinking coffee.
Go down the street in Tel Aviv & you'll see - oh, tourists.
The citizens are working!

I was going to make a similar comment but then saw your's. Mostly true, but Israel has gotten a lot of workers from Asia over the past ten years; part natural immigration patterns, part Palestinians not being able to enter for work since the violence got bad.

The yarmulke I bought in '98 was definitely from an Arab guy...

Apartheid is just as wrong in Israel as it was in South Africa!!!

If Israel was an Apartheid State there would be no Arabs in the Israeli Parliament.
The African-American student organization Vanguard Leadership Group is standing with Israel when it comes to use of the term “apartheid.” The term is “false and deeply offensive” when applied to Israel, the group said in advertisements published on Thursday.



The Vanguard Leadership Group spoke out in response to “apartheid” claims from the group Students for Justice in Palestine. Under an ad titled, “Words matter,” the group said, “We request that you immediately stop referring to Israel as an apartheid society and to acknowledge that the Arab minority in Israel enjoys full citizenship with voting rights and representation in the government.”



“It is highly objectionable to those who know the truth about the Israelis' record on human rights and how it so clearly contrasts with South Africa's,” the group said.



Students for Justice in Palestine “has chosen to manipulate rather than inform with this illegitimate analogy,” Vanguard Leadership said. “Decency, justice, and the hope of peace and reconciliation in the Middle East compel us to demand an immediate cessation to the deliberate mischaracterizations of Israel.”



Ceasing use of the term “apartheid” when discussing Israel would be a “first step toward raising the level of discourse,” the letter concluded.



Anti-Israel groups have long accused Israel of being an “apartheid state,” borrowing the term from South Africa, where for many decades a small white minority ruled the black majority by force. Racial discrimination was enforced by law, and black residents were denied citizenship, given inferior public services, barred from using white theaters, pools, churches, and other facilities, and judged under different laws.



In Israel, Arabs and other non-Jewish minorities are full citizens, with the same rights and obligations as any other Israeli. One exception is the fact that Arab citizens are not required to serve in the IDF, although they are allowed to do so, and a handful choose to enlist.



Palestinian Authority Arabs are not granted rights as citizens because they do not wish to become citizens, but rather, hope to create a new Arab state in Judea, Samaria and Gaza. Similarly, Israelis have no rights under PA law, and in fact, are forbidden to own land or even to enter PA-controlled areas.

Israel helped Apartheid South Africa develop nuclear weapons.
They have no problem with the concept of apartheid.

In Israel Arabs can vote and serve as soldiers, judges, politicians. They go to University (including women). They are both patients and doctors being treated by, or treating with no regard to race, religion or nationality. Gays and women enjoy equal rights to anyone else. Everyone is free to pray the religion of their choice. Simply anyone willing to live peacefully is welcome in Eretz Yisroel. Contrast Israel's "apartheid" with the behavior of any and all Mid East Arab/Muslim nations where women and homosexuals have severely limited rights. In fact Homosexuals are likely to be executed in Arab/Muslim countries. Jews were expelled from the Arab lands when Israel gained it's independence. Palestinians have been very clear there will be no Jews permitted in a future state of Palestine. Apartheid? Defined how? Get an education. You are embarassing yourself.

As much as I hate to admit it, the world is a lot like the Jersey Shore and the Israel-Palestine relationship is like the Ron-Sammi relationship. I'm just another roommate and I'm kind of over it.

I would much rather revisit the Pennamite-Yankee War and protest those land grabbing Connecticunts.

Oh, and the thing I hate to admit is that I watched the Jersey Shore.

You may be over it, but the war on terrorism and the trillion dollar wars in the Middle East are all driven by the one sided support of Israel.

and until our politicians realize the public is paying attention, I'm afraid its not going away

http://www.jpost.com/Internati...

If only that was true.

Do you really believe that if Israel ceased to exist so would Muslim terrorism?

You are so naive.

Maybe not, but they'd have considerably less support and maybe the US wouldn't be in this mess

I'd be willing to give it a try.

I think I will need to see more photographic evidence of the results of these attrocities before I can figure out how I feel about this important issue.