Bomb Shelters Going Up In Washington Square

Of course, but when you distinguish "Jewish Zionists" then you're making more of an anti-Semitic statement than a political one

Which Zionists, IN ISRAEL, are we talking about? The African or Icelandic Zionists? How many of the Zionists in Israel are anything but Jewish? What, there's a bunch of Asian, Buddhist Zionists in Israel? Jamaican Rastafarians, rooting for Israel to slaughter another Muslim family?

Standard brilliant comeback from the usual suspects - "anti-semite!"

I also realize there are Jews who DO understand how their "homeland" commits the most heinous of murder and other atrocities against perfectly innocent Palestinian women and children.

Chel'at ha'min ha'enoshi.

Lech tiezdayen

fair enough

Of course, but when you distinguish "Jewish Zionists" then you're making more of an anti-Semitic statement than a political one

It is completely possible to be anti-Zionist and not be an anti-Semite.

Ben shel elef zona.

Hapes mi yenanea otha

"Why not put up a 20-foot wall around the park, regularly cut water and all food supplies from entering, set up a squalid refugee camp inside, next bulldoze the Parks Department rest station, then kill a few toddlers as they play, to connect New Yorkers to what Palestinians go through on a daily basis for decades from the Zionists who expect our sympathy."


Bingo, FTW! Fuck the Jewish Zionists, fuck 'em, fuck 'em, fuck 'em! They slaughter innocent Palestinians on an _hourly_ basis. DIME and white phosphorous bombs dropped on civilian women and children. Their list of crimes, including murder, is endless.

Fuck em. Israel is like a tumor on the global community. Perpetual deceit and murder - what a record to be proud of!

But non-Jewish Zionists are cool, because your anti-Zionism is really just thinly-veiled anti-Semitism.

No, no Zionist is cool. The very idea that "god" says some spot on earth is anyone's ultimate home, is utter bullsh*t, and will lead to the destruction of the planet, and of humanity. Already is.

Anybody claiming that "(our) god likes us best, and says we have a right to this land, so you can leave or be killed..." is a cancer on society. Medieval no less. It's a caveman level of thought.

But then again, so are almost all religions, let alone the Abrahamic ones.

If some kind of nuclear war is started in the middle east, it will most likely be started by Israel; they have a pretty obvious track record for taking the first shot, justified or not.

What I see as almost inevitable, is the entire world burning down or being poisoned, directly because of Zionist Jews. Because of their totally self-serving religious beliefs. Nice job!

"the soccer field" cleared away from dilapidated tenements in The Bronx. now local residents can experience what it's like to be a Palestinian child playing football. There are no sirens, and there is no time to run while a mortar round tears them and their entire family limb from limb.

Lech telakkek coos mitkalef shel para.

Eema shelcha Kemo yadeit coolam mekabliem seivuv!

so long as you keep things accurate and have murderers with a missile launcher that just fired at Israeli towns in the middle of it all....

Start a Gaza installation where stuff randomly blows up after a plane flies overhead.

is the irony of all the fighting here (in the comment section) lost on everyone? This is why there will never be peace- its all "im right, you're wrong" on both sides. How about this- they are BOTH WRONG. THEY ARE BOTH KILLING EACHOTHER.

Those grafitti artists should be ashamed of themselves. Anyone who can think for themselves enough to be part of that sort of counter-culture should also be aware of the real situation over there and not swayed by establishment propaganda, never mind become a part of it. Why should great grafitti artists be a part of this anyway. In what way is their input relevant? This whole situation is horrible.

And we care about this little sliver of sand box because....???

What, PRECISELY, is America's VITAL INTEREST in protecting Israel??? (Aside from electoral votes and contributors in NY, NJ, FL, and CA?)

Israel might not take up a lot of space, but its contributions to science and technology are invaluable. Also, Jesus is going to be resurrected there, haven't you heard?

Shut up twat.

I always thought that was 'her' real name.

I've notified the Gothamist editors to delete your account for your misogynist, hateful comment. They said they will.

So you dish it out constantly, but you can't take it. Typical head in the sand Neo-Con. P.S. That post has been here for 20 hours so far.

Just ignore that troll.

Okay, so this is the Israeli propaganda. Where can I go see the Palestinian propaganda?

Everything about the so called Palestine IS propaganda, except for the fact that they murder innocent people as a matter of course.

most college campuses in america particularly the UC system participate in zionophobic/antisemitic propaganda.

You can watch Farfour, the Hamas mickey mouse who gets killed by a Jew in the season finale (my personal favorite episode).

Or you can read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a best seller in the West Bank and Jordan.

As far as I know The Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion isn't installed in Washington Square Park, decorated with paid graffiti. Speaking of pay, does anyone know who paid for this work of art?

Birthright Israel Alumni Community. Clearly stated.

Farfour! I remember that devilish little beast...

See a lot of moronic comments above. You will see how much anti-Israel, i.e. Palestinian propaganda, has seeped into people's heads.

Actually Moe, many of your facts are wrong, or they do not take into account the entire story and oversimplify everything. It is very easy to go by a single narrative and demonize one side because it fits into a black and white worldview and that may be easier for some peoples minds. But when you look at the actual facts, they unfortunately don't fit into a good/bad story that many people wish they did.

It is incorrect to say that Israel never started any wars, but to disregard the back stories of the wars that Israel did start would be extremely ignorant and dismissive of the horrors of war that nobody wants to go through, on either side.

Just for an example of how you are incorrect on your history, Israel was prepared to accept a two state solution in 1948, after the UN partitioned and voted on the land, the Israelis accepted and the surrounding Arab states did not. Israel was attacked first by Egypt, Jordon, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Lebanon and Syria. Israel still won. Sorry for partying.

Very similar story in 6 day war. Israel only attacked because of a buildup of troops on the border with Egypt which according to International Law (which Hamas "peace activists" love to cite) is an act of war.

In regards to the recent problems with Gaza and Lebanon, they are very sad stories. The loss of life is truly devastating and my heart goes out to the families on both sides. But who is to blame? Can you imagine for one second if Mexico was sending bombs into Texas on a daily basis because they believe that they are entitled to the land? The United States would say LOL! and then nuke the entire country. So its very easy to talk a big game when you aren't the one that has to run to a bomb shelter in the middle of a kindergarten class. The United States considered 9/11 as an act of war, why are suicide bombings any different?

9/11 was caused in large part because of our support for Israel...so was the 93 bombing, and so too are our wars in the Middle East entangled with support for Israel. So I would tred lightly bringing up 9/11 as a comparison for why we should support Israel.

In any, you're right it is not always black and white. This much is true, Israel was created through force...what amounts to now 4 million people are living without a state and many of them without basic human rights...Israel is complicit in this. When is it going to end? Would you allow any other people to live as refugees for 60 years!

Israel is largely to blame for the Palstenian situation. Whether it was Zionists 100 years ago, Israel 60 or 40 years....the decision to set up a state in Palestine under the cover of the British occupation predicted all that has happened.

I have no more patience for this bs talk about Israel having to feel secure before they give the rights to Arabs that they expect and demand for their own children. And if you want to be on the right side of history you should feel the same way.

those in support of humanity, come, bring your voices, bring the truth, it is your responsibility, lets flood the park with what is happening to those who have suffered for decades. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Those grafitti artists should be ashamed of themselves. Anyone who can think for themselves enough to be part of that sort of counter-culture should also be aware of the real situation over there and not swayed by establishment propaganda, never mind become a part of it. Why should great grafitti artists be a part of this anyway. In what way is their input relevant? This whole situation is horrible.

And you, solh, comparing the right of Palestine to their land over there to any Mexican claim on Texas is just ridiculous. Land is being actively stolen from Palestine with American-backed force. The people of Palestine have an historic and religious right to that land which dates back Millenia. And past acts of war on Israel are not a valid excuse for using American military power to execute a process which stops just short of genocide in Palestine. Genocide may seem a strong term but Israel is removing an unwanted people from certain areas of the Middle East with murder as a key method. Not dissimilar to what happened in Bosnia and Kosovo in the 90s. The difference now is that America is on Israel's side. Frankly, I am not sure why. America would stand to gain a lot more from condemning Israeli aggression. It would earn back some respect from the Arab world, just like the recent action in Libya.

All your facts are wrong

Wars started by Israel..1948...they began demolishing villages before the Arabs states attacked them.
The 1956 war a colonial attack with England and France against Egypt because they nationalized the Suez Canel.
The Lavon affair..false flag terrorist attacks in Egypt
The 1967 war pre-emptively started by Israel
The 1982 occupation of Lebannon
The 2006 bombin of Lebanon
The 2008 bombing of the Gaza refugees

This notion that they, the Arab, the UN , 90% of the world hate us, cause we're good and moral and just want peace...is pretty far fetched. I dont know how much longer you can keep deluding yourself.

Israel has never initiated an attack on Gaza; every attack is a counter-strike to rockets, mortars, etc sent from Gaza/West Bank. Can someone explain to me why, when Israel returned Gaza with settlements intact and business structures in place, Palestinians chose to destroy the greenhouses and buildings instead of creating a functioning society?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/93...

The government of Gaza is fascist and commits far more atrocities than the Israelis can be accused of. While Israel is not perfect, they cannot be accused of faceless terrorism, whereas that is the Palestinian's only means of attack. Neither side is correct, but in Gaza it is clear that the most oppressive power is their elected government.

Hamas's best attack method is to hide behind women, children, the elderly, schools, hospitals, civilian homes, etc, so they cannot be attacked without going through civilians first. Who is to blame for that?
http://www.haaretz.com/print-e...

The Palestinian people are not to blame; it is their government that is at fault. Hamas is the only group providing food and other necessities; however, they also are a recognized terrorist organization that is engaging in guerilla warfare with Israel. Israel was willing to disengage from 98% of the territories, but it was Arafat who said that wasn't enough.
http://www.robat.scl.net/conte...

Shame on the Palestinian leadership that is unwilling to put aside their militarism to take charge. Shame on Israeli fundamentalists who want more than they can have. The settlements are not doing anyone any favors. Could the Itamar massacre have happened if settlements weren't so broad that they couldn't be protected? Would the Itamar massacre have happened if the settlements didn't exist at all? Israel has bitten off more than they can chew by continuing to build settlements when the Itamar massacre clearly shows that the settlements that already exist are not adequately protected. Why should soldiers be risking their lives to protect other peoples' radical views? Why should children be at risk of having their throats slit while they're sleeping?

For anyone unfamiliar with what happened to the Fogel family, view these gruesome pictures and then continue to justify Palestinian acts of violence. http://www.israelnationalnews....

These bomb drills are necessary in Israel to keep people from dying. When was the last time the IDF set up a bus bomb in Gaza or the West Bank? Maybe if Hamas was a functional government, they could have bomb shelters too.

Hamas rose out of the ashes of the PLO and Arafat, whose balls were cut off by guess who? The Israeli government. If you continuously and actively suppress and silence the voice of dissent (and the voice of the oppressed), you ensure that even more radical and extremist strains will emerge, exactly in the same way that lethal superbugs are spawned out of harmful but not lethal bugs in response to our vaccines and drugs. Hamas exists because of Israeli government policy towards the PLO, and FOR NO other reason. Hopefully Israel has learned that lesson. Otherwise we might end up with a group more militant than Hamas.

That being said, how do you defend terrorist attacks against innocent people? Bus bombs? Murders? Rockets? Mortars?

A state-sponsored and state-enforced ghetto is still a ghetto -- whether it's in Gaza or in Germany. How do YOU defend state-sponsored terrorist attacks (military AND economic) against innocent people? Terrorism is terrorism is terrorism, regardless of who commits it, and just because it has the seal of a government does not mean it's not terrorism. We are more guilty in our terrorist acts because we let our government commit them behind closed doors, in OUR names (sounds familiar?). We are more guilty in our complacency than the poor Palestinian mother of four children whose husband died at the hands of Israeli soldiers, and who is caught between Hamas and the Israeli government and who cannot help it that her children will grow up to be angry young men, if they live that long, and whose mission in life will be to get revenge for their father's unwarranted death and for their mother's life-long humiliation. Will their voices be heard if they try to engage in "dialogue" with the Israeli government? All they have to do is hark back to Arafat, (or to how Israel and the US reacted to the legitimate election of Hamas) and they can draw their conclusions from there. Best case scenario, they will grow up and vote for a group more extreme than Hamas. Worst case scenario they walk into a place full of innocent people and detonate themselves. It's hard for me to believe there are people still who are able to kid themselves about this. I suppose if you don't want to see it for what it is no one will be able to make you. Maybe a trip to Gaza or the West Bank would help, so you can see for yourself the squalor and the humiliation people live in.

Don't let yourself believe I am being complacent. I have been to the West Bank and I acknowledge that life in most of the region is not peachy; however, if you go to Ramallah, you will see that the economy there is not struggling. Hamas and Fatah's cowardice and greed are to blame for much of the anger within the Palestinian population, because who really is creating the slums? The West Bank is not under siege; it is not facing a blockade; it isn't even under full Israeli control. The Arab community needs to demand better leadership from their leaders--something that is now being realized across the globe.

Civilians should never die. That point is non-negotiable. It is a tragedy when a Palestinian dies, as it is a tragedy when an Israeli dies. What makes a Palestinian life more valuable than an Israeli's? While you mourn the Palestinian dead, why am I criticized for mourning the Israelis killed in terrorist attacks? Why is no one discussing that Israel is the only country on the planet with an army that forewarns civilians to leave the area before they attack?
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/200...

The legitimate election of Hamas was the legitimate election of a terrorist group. There is nothing Israel can do in reaction but fear for its survival.

Are you familiar with Farfour? How does this go to further the peace process? The Palestinian leadership is teaching their children to hate; it is not Israeli military destruction, but rather societal norms that are causing all this anger.

Not only are the Palestinians angry; I am as well. I don't want to live in a world where people are taught to hate me. I am angry because mortars and rockets are being shot into farms and home without any cause. I am angry because I can't go to a synagogue, or into a mall, or really walk outside at all without fearing for my life. I am angry because I am scared when I shouldn't have to be.

Do not defend violence; the violence supposedly representing the Palestinian struggle became empty years ago. Anger feeds anger, violence feeds violence, and there is no natural way to stop this cycle from continuing. Why should I fear for my life every time I get on a bus? Why should anyone have to fear for their life at all? The peace process begins with the Palestinians; demand your leaders come out from their hiding places in hospitals and schools and fight fairly, without sacrificing their own people. Demand that Palestinian anger be recognized and dealt with. Demand adequate food, shelter, and clean water; demand fair representation in government; demand freedom for women and gays. Do not demand the destruction of a sovereign nation; demand the creation of your own.

I am not defending violence, but you know that already. The violence Israel has been committing against the Palestinians in the name of its right to exist has also become empty. Israel is under threat because of its own policies in the middle east, not because of some ghostly fear about its right or might or power to exist. I don't approve of violence committed by Hamas but I also don't approve of violence committed by the Israeli government. The overwhelming majority of the victims of this violence, regardless of who it is committed by, are Palestinians. You live in fear -- I'm sorry about that; they die, they are jailed, they are made homeless, they have no water and no food. Anyway, the exhibit is silly because it does not represent the complexity of the situation and the terror that the innocent civilians on the other side of this divide are living under. And like any situation where people are not allowed to self-govern with dignity, a power vacuum will emerge and the wrong people will step in. But who am I to say so? Everyone has the right to do their own installations. Maybe I'll do one in Washington Square Park, simulating a thousand checkpoints, a thousand sirens, a thousand night raids and thousand demolitions so people get to know what it feels like for the civilians on the other side.

And your statement about Israel being the only country whose army warns citizens to evacuate before they attack cracked me up. Irony on an ancient Greek tragedy scale. Does that mean Sadam would have been deemed noble if he had warned Kuwaiti citizens to evacuate before he attacked? It is not his right to attack another sovereign nation, period. But we do not apply that logic to Palastinian territory do we? Because we don't think of them as sovereign. It's apartheid right now, not two separate states. Anyway, we're not changing each other's minds so let's leave it at that.

one man's occupation is another man's freedom. just remember that.

when "Palestinians" have their country, how many jews will be forced out of their home?

"Palestinians" in quotations? What does that mean? In answer to your question: hopefully less than the millions of Palestinians who have been disappeared, made homeless, displaced, massacred and jailed over the course of a little over fifty years. I just hope our Jewish ancestors are not looking on, in shame, at the way the Israeli state has treated Palestinians. Thankfully, there are plenty of Jews out there who disapprove of Israel's policies towards the Palestinians. One man's oppression becomes his justification for the oppression of others. It all sounds familiar, on a different scale but, still, familiar.

All the Palestenians are asking for is Equal rights. Israel already controls all of the land but they don't want to give up their priviliged position.
Your argument is a bit like the defense of Jim Crow. How long do you expect the Palestians to live without a state? 100 years?

Graffiti used to be an anti-establishment art, and has obviously gotten co-opted to sell sneakers and (now) sell occupation.

Politicians can be bought and so can Graffiti artists. On twitter it says they recieved a free trip to Israel.

The P.A. and Hamas doesn't care for it's citizens in the slightest [because caring, rational people launch rockets from atop civilian buildings, i.e. hospitals, schools, etc.]. They don't build bomb shelters [and if you want to go ahead and say that they dont have the financial resources to do so, then you're an idiot. because bombs and mortar shells aren't free. and for every bomb, you could feed over 20 palestinian children].

And, for any future reference, bomb shelters save lives. FYI.

Don't you mean it's to connect New Yorkers with what the Palestinians have to deal with on a daily basis?

I've been to Sderot. I saw those concrete-slab bomb shelters. I've also been to Gaza. Know what I saw? Not one f#@$ing bomb shelter anywhere. And bombs that do this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/l...

The citizens of sderot are indiscriminately rocketed for jihad. Gazans don't need bomb shelters they need to stop providing a safe haven for murderers. Israel specifically targets murderers in gaza, the day gazans stop harboring hamas and jihad islami terrorists is the last day that gazan civilians die in the collateral damage of Israeli operations.

They do have bomb shelters in Gaza...it is called schools, hospitals, and mosques. Moron.

Being a colonial settler sure is hard! I really feel sympathetic of the plight of people who live on stolen land belonging to others!

it was given to them, nothing was stolen.

Gaza was "given to them" the same way the SS "gave" your ancestors the Warsaw Ghetto - and for pretty much the same reason!

i meant israel was given to the first israelis by the UN. there were no occupations until much later when israel won a war they didnt start.

and again, the arabs living under british rule in 48 left under the guide of their leaders.

What was Israel called before it was "given to the israeli's by the U.N."?

Oh right, you're black and white guy. No shades of grey.

So, I get it. Israel can treat the Palestinians like their sub-humans, because, "The Palestinians had poor leadership in 1948."

Sucks to have been born there, anytime, between 1949 - today.

you're an idiot.

the term Palestinian was used pre-1947 by the Britain for the jewish european settlers of "Palestine." Palestine is a term coined by the Romans for the area which was once the Jewish kingdoms of Judea and Samaria.

Palestinian was first used for the Arab residents of the area in 1967 when they were no longer Jordanian citizens. Your "palestinians" are little more than migrant Jordanian workers who became refugees as a result of Jordan losing their land during the 6 day war. Which, by the way, they declared.

A bold face lie.

The 6 day war was started when Israel PRE-EMPTIVELY attacked Egypy destroying their entire airforce while it was on the ground.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

Correct, this after the Egyptians and Syrians amased on the borders of then very tiny Israel and described how they would throw the jews in the sea, I guess it's too bad the jews actually believed them.

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Don't pee on us and tell us it's raining.
And don't ask me to pay for it with my taxes. Pay for it yourselves. Or better yet, grow a freakn conscience and don't do it all.

might or might not be a violation of international law? BS... it IS in violation of international law. Israel treats the palestinians like trash, and when you treat a people like trash and do horrible things to them, there's always a good chance they will trash you right back. When they do, have some class and don't play the innocent victim.

Understanding the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict: A Primer
http://www.endtheoccupation.or...
Occupation 101 :: Award-winning documentary film on the root ...
Award-winning documentary film on the root causes of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
http://www.occupation101.com/

If your links are to anything with the word "occupation" in it, it is a waste of time. By the way, Hamas has their headquarters underneath the hospital in Gaza. They love when innocents are killed...more meat for the grinder.

Occupation is not only an injustice, but it is indeed a colossal waste of lives, time, resources, & money, as the 60+ yr.-old Israeli racist, illegal, brutal occupation of Palestine has proven, & your disgusting & delusional "comment" on the situation (in case you didn't know, Hamas was created by the Israeli govt. to counter the Palestinian Authority, itself collaborators with the Israelis in their own way, in order to try to divide & conquer the Palestinian community & the Palestine Liberation struggle) also proves how racist & brutal that the support for the Israeli occupation of Palestine is.

Hamas was created by the Israeli government? And they asked this wonderful group to call for their own destruction in their charter? Now you are just being a loon.

My, such a brilliant refutation of truth that you can actually verify yourself if you want; but we of course both know you have no interest in truth.

nattyb wins the debate, hands down.
Phew. Glad this topic has been settled. Good work.
Now on to fixing that nuclear power plant in Japan.

Do they show the part where Israelis' are conscripted to the occupied west bank?

It could be a multi-step adventure!!!!

1. Conscription

2. Service in the "Territories" -- where you get to view your arab neighbors as being subservient to us, because, well, literally we're being sent there to patrol and monitor them since they're savages and are unable to govern themselves OR you can guard illegal settlements (which, to be fair, do need security -- because if you build a city/villages on another person's land, which are nicer than the villages of the people who actually owned the land, the people who's land it was will want to retaliate)

3. Trip on X and party in Goa!

Looks cool. Reminds me of the bathroom that Virginia Madsen went into in Candyman though. Scary!

You blame the Arabs for bus stop bombs (that haven't happened in 5 years) and ignore the fact that Israel kills thousands more Palestenians civilians. Just because they do it from a helicopter or with a hell fire missle, doesnt make Arab children any less dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Suggesting that Israels military occupation and land grab has nothing to do with terrorism is ridiculous. All the propaganda in world can't white
wash ethnic cleansing. Which is all Zionism ever was.

"You blame the Arabs for bus stop bombs (that haven't happened in 5 years)"

There was actually one last week in Jerusalem. Though, it was the first one in five years. And this was front page news.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm...

The stories about the children killed in Gaza last week . . . well, you had to search for that news.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/d...

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But, there's a difference. The [bad] Palestinians are trying to kill innocent people. The Israeli's are trying to kill bad guys, though, they end up killing more civilians. So you see, even though the Israelis kill 5x more civilians, and have a first world air force and army, and have control of the electromagnetic spectrum, and control the borders of gaza and the west bank, control the importation and exports of all goods in the occupied territories and continue to colonize land that the entire international community recognizes as not their land, and regularly assassinate Palestinians leaders with impunity (resulting in more civilian casualties -- including this weekend), use zoning as a method to segregate communities based on race and ethnicity http://english.aljazeera.net/n... and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...but since Israel does not intend to kill civilians, they're morally superior.

No. Does it ever occur to you that whatever they release to the press may be different than the actual plans in place?

How can you even compare those killed in Gaza from retaliation fire, to planting a bomb on a bus full of innocent civilans? Read your entire article:

“In response to rocket fire from the northern Gaza Strip... the IDF fired mortars at the launch site. Apparently, as a result of this fire, innocent civilians were hit,” a spokeswoman said.

“The IDF regrets the harm to innocent civilians, but emphasises that Hamas is one who chooses to operate from the heart of a civilian area and uses civilians as human shields,”

Tell that to the dead.

good one...

No one should ever have to die over this conflict, but it's become inevitable. Those civilians in Gaza have chosen to live in one of the most hostile places in the world where Hamas operates. It's unfortunate that innocent civilians become the casualties of war instead of those who are actually responsible.

If Palestinians elected for peace today, there would be peace. But nothing is ever enough. They will continue to want more and more land and try to exterminate the Israelis. Did you know over 90% of the land in Israel was purchased, legally, by Jews? How many muslim countries are there in the world? Plenty. How many Jewish countries? One. It's not even really about the land anymore. It's a war of ideologies. Remember, Israel had to build a wall on the west bank to keep palestinians out, not the other way around. Israel only acts in retaliation to protect itself. I would love to see the day where the IDF wasn't mandatory for 18-21 y/o Israelis and the people could live without the fear of missiles or bus bombs on both sides.

Actually, Israel chose to drive those folks from their land and forced them to live in Gaza - tell the truth, dude!

also, their leaders were given many opportunities to not have their people live there, or at least be under their own sovereignty, but of course the leaders turned it down, because a Palestinian State and peace means less dead Jews.

Yes. Issues like these are always very simple and black and white. No need for shades of Grey.

Israeli's = Good

Palestinians = Bad.

Nothing else to know.

no they left of their own accord, not wanting to be under israel, they had dreams of killing off the entering jews and didnt want to be under israeli authority. their leaders are the ones at fault for their current situation

You really have drunk the Zionist kool aid, haven't you?

did you just say "chosen to live"?
hey, Everybody, this guy just said people have "Chosen to live" in the gaza strip.

Correction:

"No one should ever have to die over this conflict, but it's become inevitable."

That's better. No one should die. No Arab. No Jews. Nobody. There is nothing inevitable about killing and murder.

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"If Palestinians elected for peace today, there would be peace. But nothing is ever enough"

What propaganda have you been reading that has you spewing that BS? Did you just come back from Birthright?

Yah, I did birthright too, but, I guess I'm one of the few who saw through the brainwashing.

One side has all the power and the other side has none, and yet, with a straight face, we're supposed to blame the weaker party. Yah, those rockets are crude but deadly, but, if we were occupied like that, you and I would want to fight back too. The treatment of the Palestinians is comparable to Jim Crow south and Apartheid South Africa. Straight up. The Palestinians don't help their cause when they resort to violence. But, as a civil rights, and a human rights matter, what the Israelis do to the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza is right up there with Jim Crow South (that extends to Israel proper too) and Apartheid South Africa (this point has been made my numerous Israeli politicians).

Even in Israel proper, the government is cracking down on the Israeli Arabs in fascist ways

"The new law allows the Finance Ministry to remove funds from municipalities or groups if they commemorate Independence Day here as a day of mourning or reject Israel as a Jewish and democratic state."

http://andrewsullivan.theatlan...

Just because we're jewish or identify with Israel, doesn't mean we have to support all the evil shit they do. It's ok, it took me a while to realize all the evil shit Israel does. I used to be the one defending Israel all the time ("but wait, Israel has threats, the Arabs have all this land!") but, in so doing, I was ignoring all the straight up evil shit israel is doing.

And look, they've got you defending the killing of civilians. NO. That's never ok.

"Those civilians in Gaza have chosen to live in one of the most hostile places in the world where Hamas operates."

You sure about that? Think that one over. They're stateless people. They don't have a country. They can't just move to the United States, or Egypt even.

"Did you know over 90% of the land in Israel was purchased, legally, by Jews?"

No one's (or I'm not) complaining about the legally purchased land within the internally recognized state of Israel (and what does that mean for the remaining 10%?). We're complaining about the settlements on the occupied territories.

"How many muslim countries are there in the world? What does that have to do with anything? 15% of Palestinians are Christians. So you're saying that all the Muslim Palestinians should move? That's ethnic cleansing by the way.

"Remember, Israel had to build a wall on the west bank to keep Palestinians out, not the other way around."

Oh, you mean that wall which separates Palestinians from their fields and as being used to annex more land. Again, no one would complain if that wall was built on the internationally recognized border. The Green Line. Instead the wall went deep into the West Bank and also cuts arabs off from their arable land.

"I would love to see the day where the IDF wasn't mandatory for 18-21 y/o Israelis and the people could live without the fear of missiles or bus bombs on both sides."

I would love to see that day as well. I'd love to see the day when the Palestinians have their own country.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl...

My God, what propaganda. And in a public park in NYC?!

Sick

In the US you'd never know that Palestenians were the victims. You'd never know that for every Israeli death, there were 60 Palestenians killed by the IDF. Such is the propaganda in the US, Arab lives are meaningless, Jewish lives, they build memorials in park, the POTUS acknowledges them....

Lets have some context, take children aged 13, approximately 1,500 Palestinian minors killed by Israeli forces from fall 2000 through early 2011. During the same period Palestinians killed about 130 Israeli minors.

1500 to 130

http://www.ifamericansknew.org...

Is that the story you hear in the US? Of course not. And of course Israel is a state, and the Palestenians are refugees...and of course Israel is in violation of 80 UN resolutions and has moved 500K people and its army into land outside of its border.

But of course somehow that is supposed to be seen as passive, no violent...its just a military occupation, how dare you resist....You're a terrorist!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

lame comments, guys. the whole reason for the "palestinian experience" that seems to get your loin juices flowing so much is BECAUSE israelis have to put up with genocidal fundamentalist islamists firing missiles at cities and blowing themselves up on buses.

we hear ALL THE TIME about palestinian "oppression" and we NEVER hear about the cause of their misery - which is there own leadership, which attacks israeli civilians indiscriminately, and kneecaps or kills their domestic palestinian opponents. some principles from you mob would be nice. for once.

this is one of the most egregious pieces of propaganda I've ever seen...

Let's have a competition in the comments section on who suffers more and who is to blame...that will end the incitement and the terrorism...Or maybe we can compare babies killed pictures...the moral equivalency needs to stop...when is the last time the Arabs dropped pamphlets to warn civilians to evacuate? Targeting innocent civilians is terrorism...building settlements might or might not be a violation of international law but it hardly justifies bombing bus stops

"building settlements might or might not be a violation of international law but it hardly justifies bombing bus stops"

"might be?" You're either a troll, a moron, or a deliberate propagandist for Israel.

What would you do if they bulldozed your house, and their gov't actually encouraged and funded the action? If they walled off your family farm or well? What would you do if you were left with nothing else to lose?

Gottdamm Israel apologists. Often times also abject liars and propagandists...

Is there a palestinian "experience" as well? isreali troops jump out and you can only defend yourself with rocks

I see that Banksy has been to Israel. Neat!

Why not put up a 20-foot wall around the park, regularly cut water and all food supplies from entering, set up a squalid refugee camp inside, next bulldoze the Parks Department rest station, then kill a few toddlers as they play, to connect New Yorkers to what Palestinians go through on a daily basis for decades from the Zionists who expect our sympathy.

A 12 year old child stabbed in the heart. A 4 year old's throat slit.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/...


"In Gaza, the murders were celebrated with carnivals, and Hamas handed out sweets to passers-by."

1. I hope they catch the people who killed that poor family.

2. The part about Gazans celebrating isn't true. It was posted on some blog and then reposted and then treated as the truth. It's not.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress....

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Again, it sucks what happened to this family. And there are indications that it might've actually been a Thai/Phillipino domestic worker who committed the crime.

But, I hope you see, how there's an entire industry set up to make all arabs look bad all the time. Literally, someone posts some random shit that isn't confirmed, but, since it makes arabs look like wild savages, then, it makes the front page of drudge report and the Glenn Beck show, and the Weekly Standard. Do you expect to see a correction? NO. Instead, it's crystallized in our brains that those savages were celebrating.

they celebrated after 9/11 too.