So Jews shouldn't get tickets on the Sabbath? F'em, no one is above the law even on your "holy day".

Quote from transalt. org (when Guiliani raised the fine from $2) "Even some cops shot down Giuliani's plan. "I think we should concentrate our efforts on crimefighting, not jaywalking," said Officer Vincent Martinelli, a Queens delegate of the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association"

And why would the city take any sort of conscious hit to their revenue when we're already in deficit?

Isn't there an eruv that covers the area in question? If so, then it's perfectly kosher, as it were, for him to carry an ID.

How in God's name do you get a jaywalking ticket? On the Sabbath no less?

By doing something stupid, my GUESS is that he walked in front of the RMP or did something that made him suspicious. Someone tell the good "rabbi" to take the summons and fight it like every one else, he's nothing special.

I bet if he were an illegal alien, all you hateful biased people would come to his defense.

For example, New York's “stop and identify” law[24] allows a police officer to demand that a suspect identify himself but does not explicitly require the suspect to comply, and its “obstructing” law[25] apparently requires physical rather than simply verbal obstruction.



reply to purp: as per link you attached to your reply; wikipedia

first of all, i call Bee Ess on this, because not having ID is the reason they run everyone down to the precinct and into the "system" for lack of verifyable identification. if the cops really wanted to give a ticket he was obligated to arrest and fingerprint this PERP

a summons is issued in lieu of arrest. as per nypd policy, a summons can not be issued if you are unable to verify the identity of the perp. therefore when the police stop you for a violation and you have no id they bring you back to the precinct to either verify your identity or to send you through the system. when you receive a summons, the cop is doing YOU a favor, because by law the cop has every right to take you into custody and put you through the system whether you have id or not.

Glad to see some people on here know what their talking about and don't have their heads up their ass.

To the wife's comment. The Orthodox community is growing and spreading into Midwood and Sheepshead Bay. Maybe the entitlement will spread.
Politicians and police (traffic enforcement included) have been VERY flexible with the Jewish community. A "police their own" allowance won't work in these neighborhoods. Though I did see a lot of private security being used by Yeshiva's lately.
Insensitive, yes but welcome to the real world.
Law is to carry ID one good reason is, if you get plowed down by a vehicle
your twisted body does not sit in the morgue for a week.
Now that is against Jewish Tradition for sure.

It won't work in Sheepshead Bay, but the "police your own" mentality has already spread to Midwood, where there are several "community policing" groups, as well as private security firrns that have been hired to look after their interests. That means harassing non-Jews who violate the Orthodox code of conduct.

Meetings of the 63rd Pct. Community Council must get real interesting.

C'mon He only got singled out by the slop cop because he was a religious Jew. No one ever gets jaywalking tickets. I jaywalk and cross in front of police cars all the time. Never got a ticket. Face it, we Jews get discriminated against all the time.

No one gets a ticket for J-walking unless they ask for it. What do I mean by someone asking for a ticket? The see the officer and flip him/her off, they nearly cause an accident, or some other action along those lines. Once you give someone a summons, you can run their name and check for open warrants or search them, many great arrests have been made when a criminal is stopped for something minor like this.

So how did he ask for it? By having a beard and wearing a hat?

Outrageous! Everyone should be treated differently under the law, depending on their beliefs.

you are missing the point. Mr. Emert had no problem with the fact that the cop issued a ticket. He verbally identified himself to the cops, yet they threatened to take him to the precint for not having ID on him. Is it a crime in this country, punishable with jail time, for not carrying ID when walking in the streets?

you are missing the point blast. the fact that he verbally identified himself IS NOT ENOUGH. anyone can just shout out a fake name and address in order to avoid having to pay for a ticket. because of this there are procedures in place that state if the person does not have identification they should be taken into custody. anything you can get a ticket for, the police can arrest you for. a summons is in lieu of arrest. so, while it is not a crime to not have ID, the fact that you dont have it with you does prevent you from receiving certain benefits, like a summons instead of an arrest.

he did not have id on him, so how could the cop have known if his signature was real or fake?