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NYC Doesn't Want To Assign Races To Students

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The race section of the 2010 Census form
Earlier this year, more than a few New Yorkers were confused and upset why the 2010 Census form didn't offer a racial category for Hispanic or Latino (the Census offer a Hispanic question for ethnicity). Now, NY1 reports that NYC Schools Chancellor Joel Klein sent an email to U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan saying that NYC school officials don't really want to classify students by race, per federal law, "[It] may well be problematic and confusing for many of our community members, particularly Hispanics, and could create a difficult public debate about the collection of this information."

A Census spokesman previously explained, "If we were to try to provide a space for every different consideration of race ... the form would be 100 pages long. Focus groups were used to make decisions on which [races] were used," but Deputy Schools Chancellor Santiago Taveras said, "Latinos like to identify themselves as Dominicanos [Dominicans], Puertorriqueños [Puerto Rican], Guatemaltecos [Guatemalans], and this form actually overlooks all of that. So it was frustrating on a personal level and I can understand how parents would feel at home and I'd like them to understand it's a mandate."

In spite of the NYC Department of Education's concerns, NYC school officials are collecting the information since the feds are demanding it. Schools are required to assign a student a race if he/she didn't mark one, which makes things a little dicey.

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  • ANGRYGOD11

    In France, the law does NOT allow this.

    France could pretend it was an egalitarian, post-racial society, until the reality of mobs of kids (French citizens of Third World descent) without a future in the suburban slums rioted and burned cars, presented itself.

  • Yes, "race" is a social construct with no bearing in biology. Here is an important thing to keep in mind: SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS HAVE POWER. The racial information collected by the government is meant to be used to counter-act racism. People treat minority kids differently. That is a fact. Standardized tests are biased by subculture. Fact. These things are real, & out there in the world. Sticking your head in the sand by refusing to collect data won't make racism go away.

    Claiming that you don't see race, or that the government should pretend it doesn't see race, is silly. One look at incarceration statistics or the racial backgrounds of the US Senate will show you just how naive that is. You don't fix a problem by ignoring it.

  • exnyer

    We need to push this to the point where we will all be identified by a number/bar code no discrimination at all. We will get scanned every step of the way and Google can data mine all of us.

  • Dogsbody

    Also, kids should go to school fully wrapped in some kind of burqa-style clothing so even the teachers and fellow students didn't know what race anyone was.

  • OSN!

    Alls I know is a guy whiter than me named Fernandez is considered a minority and entitled to privileged minority status, including affirmative action. Seriously, WTF?

  • NlGGAZ

    If you guys are familiar with the inner workings of the school system this is sort of a remedy to stop asian student poaching. In the school system grades = $$$$ and the better students who get better grades = more $$$$ and better performance reviews for said teacher or administering department. That being said, asian students are a hot commodity like cigarettes in jail and teachers will stop at nothing to get their hands on them. My sister used to work in the education department and she said that most faculty would sing hallejuh when they had a handful of asians in their class and would conspire to get as many asians to change majors into their departments. It was pretty cutthroat too.

  • ides_of_march

    Asian students do well because their parents are on the ball and instill in them the value of learning and academic excellence.

  • NlGGAZ

    not true. It's genetic. In most studies Asian parents don't instill anything in their child but fear from beatings and shame and humiliation in an oppressive authoritarian manner. That doesn't really work with most children anywhere but asian kids are genetically pre-wired to be more docile and obedient because of filial piety and thus are easier to control. like wwII germans.

  • Dogsbody

    I'm not sure where I stand on genetic differences, but what you're saying here doesn't seem to make sense to me.

    You say they're genetically hardwired to be obedient "because of filial piety"? Isn't filial piety a cultural concept - how would that determine someone's genetic traits?

    And then you also allude to being docile and easily controlled "like WW2 era Germans"...where WW2 era Germans somehow genetically different to pre- or post-WW2 era Germans, or any other European group? Where Germans really genetically distinct from Brits, Frenchman or Poles? I think again, this points more to cultural influence than a genetic foundation.

  • NlGGAZ

    You ever been around asian people? there fucking culture has nothing to do with it. They are insular and they are drones. Asian kids are marginalized by societal racism and they are genetically pre-disposed to be robotic pussies. There is nothing in their culture that values education above other races at all. a asian parent says to their child "study" just like a black, white or hispanic parent does. It's just that they follow through with it. Genetic. How do you think the communist manifesto took over a billion people in the east but wouldn't even put a dent in rhode island if they taught that crap here?

  • Dogsbody

    Ok I'm confused. Are you serious, or are you kidding?

  • handsomedevil

    I'm pretty confident Bateman is kidding, here.

  • Katie

    If you think the black and hispanic community (which also has extreme, if not more extreme patterns of abuse-especially the black community) has even a simulacrum of respect and emphasis on learning as the asian community (I am including Indians and in this category as well), then I have a bridge in brooklyn I would like to sell you. There is a reason that asians are a successful minority group who don't continually whine at the bad lot they have been given in life. It's because they value education and do something with their lives (in a much more general sense then other minority communities).

  • Katie

    Also really? Genetic? Are blacks more genetically wired to be lazy because all they are used to and understand when it comes to motivation are the beatings like they recieved when they were enslaved? I mean really dude COME ON. That is beyond racist. I am willing to stereotype groups bc I think there is truth in them and I think people won't change for the better unless you acknowledge them, but never, under any circumstance would I attribute it to genetics.

  • H.J. Simpson

    You see, white people have names like Lenny, while black people have names like Carl.

  • ANGRYGOD11

    Hispanic and/or Latino is a very vague concept. Thats supposed to cover a lot of very different races and cultures and not everyone is Catholic or speaks Spanish.

  • Dogsbody

    I've always wondered why Asians are seperated into Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc etc (plus the additional option of describing yourself as "some other asian"), but ALL white people are lumped together as white?

    I mean aren't the differences (both phyiscal and maybe cultural too) between Swedes and Italians (or Irish and Albanian etc) at LEAST as great as the differences between Chinese/Korean/Japanese?

  • nicemarmot

    I just never mark anything in those spaces. Why encourage them to group people by ultra-vague skin color categories. Race has no biological significance, and culture is an entirely different thing.

  • ides_of_march

    Basically, leftist politicians and bureaucrats like to keep people divided up into their politically correct caste system. It's so much easier to manipulate the masses when you divide and conquer.

  • BotanistPrime

    right, because it is the left that is trying to maintain the status quo

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