John L,

You do realize that people drink outside of NYC, right?

You do realize that everywhere else in the country, two + blocks devoted to bars (like we have here) is called "honky - tonk" not "culture", right?

If half the bars in the City can keep quiet, the rest should too....but maybe I'm biased because I can remain an adult while I imbibe. People who think this is somehow only an issue in established manhattan party spots need to get more use of their metro-cards.

That said, smoking bans don't help. The hottest spot in any bar is always the garden.

You know, empty barrels like John L always make the most noise. I have lived here for 20 years and do not need to do anything to accommodate any pack of assholes who feel it is their right to disrupt my life. I'm not buying into any bullshit about what I have to do to grant any shithead the right to carry on without consequence or buy earplugs, I'm calling the police. I do NOTHING to interrupt their idiocy and I was a B&Ter for years before I moved here. I learned how NOT to piss off the locals. It's called adapting to your surroundings, minding your own goddamn business and growing up. I was here before the loud inconsiderate buffoons, I pay my taxes, I have partied and played in this city for decades and know how to do so without screaming or fighting or honking car horns or setting off alarms - but to have this dipshit use a tired old hackneyed saw like "You're not in Kansas anymore" or spouting the broadside that it is "The City That Never Sleeps" is moronic and has nothing to do with the noise level produced by giant sphincter muscles and makes the pretense that he knows something more than we do even more obnoxious and insultingly dimwitted. People were dodging bullets outside bars in the 90's? Who was? Name them. Where? What bars? Name all the places that had neighbors busily dodging bullets throughout the 90's. I never dodged a bullet outside any bar ever in the 70's, 80's, 90's, aught's or 10. Were you even in grade school then? Stop spit-balling - we know what it was like then and you don't even have a clue about what it is like NOW let alone the 90's, you idiot.

Every resident on Vernon knew that the street is zoned to allow commercial establishments (indcluding bars and restaurants). But they all seem shocked when one moves in. When I've been to Lounge 47 they seemed very good about keeping noise to a minimum and restricting hours. What more is expected of a restaurant?

I live across the street from Lounge 47, featured in this article. There has been a long ongoing feud between Lounge 47 and its neighbors (all of whom were either born and raised in the neighborhood or have been living in their apartments for years). I completely sympathize with the neighbors but I also feel that the owners of that establishment have already made significant efforts to reduce noise and cigarette butt trash. They posted signs on the inside and outside of their front and rear doors asking customers to keep their noise down and be mindful of neighbors. They also posted one of those cigarette recepticles outside. They close their backyard garden at 10, no exceptions. They don't play loud music and the customer base is generally made up of locals who, of course can get rowdy in doors, but typically keep it down outside.

Bottom line, if an establishment has made adequate attempts to police noise and litter, the NIMBYs should just suck it up and deal.

Why should they. They have been there for years. They have paid taxes and making that neighborhood great and then some crap bar comes and and has to ruin it for everyone. Why should they have to suffer?

What benefit does it bring to the neighborhood?

I bet the guy who owns the joint doesn't live there.

There is a way to drink, enjoy and coexist; civility is the key, and that quality is sadly lacking in most NYC bar customers. Noone expects crickets, but one should be able to expect civil behavior. I doubt the loud ones' parents would tolerate such behavior at a late-night backyard barbecue. What ever happened to a fun night out, getting hammered, fun stuff, nobody pissed, no harm done. The women are the worst. I can hear them from 19 stories up, shreiking drunk harpies, and the 4AM DUUUUUDDDDDE-monsters. Rank amateurs in the world of imbibing, no wonder they fall off roofs/ledges/subway platforms so frequently.

And proprietors, operating in a neighborhood, should encourage civilty. If it can not be suggested and accepted, it should be enforced.

And yes, I do frequent indoor & outdoor establishments, enjoy them, and try to act like a human being.

Welcome to NYC!

Anyone that lives in Manhattan should know that they gave up their right to quiet when they moved to "The City That Never Sleeps." You thought that was a cliche?

The good news is that if you want to live on a nice quiet tree lined block we have plenty of those but not in Manhattan, unless you can afford to live on 5th Avenue or Park Ave. Move to Queens, Brooklyn, the Bronx or maybe even Staten Island because Manhattan is for city dwellers and not for the faint at heart.

If you moved to an apartment by a bar and expected to hear crickets at night, you're an idiot and deserve what you got. If you can't beat them join them, go to the bar and have a drink and plan your next move, they'll probably be plenty of brokers there to help you.

If like a previous commenter posted a bar moved in after you did, then try to get yourself out of your lease and in the meantime get some earplugs. Move out to one of the outer boroughs ASAP and make sure your broker is familiar with zoning laws and gets you in the right neighborhood.

At least all you have to worry about now is noise because in the nineties the people that lived by bars were so busy dodging bullets that they barely even noticed the noise.

Try to enjoy the NYC experience.

Lounge 47 isn't in Manhattan.

Spoken like a true asshole.

Thank you sir.

And try to enjoy your stay in New York, the greatest city in the world, due in no small part to that vibrant nightlife that you people want to eliminate now.

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Remember you're not in Kansas anymore, you're in New York Fucking City now, the city that doesn't sleep, that means parties, drinking, fucking 24/7/365. It's a shame if you're not taking part in the cities nightlife.

If you want quiet move to Jersey, it's a short commute.

No reason to get mad at me.

I didn't make you a scumbag, I just pointed it out.

This is a war between people who live here and the bridge and tunnel crowd that want to use it as their playground.

NYC is awesome even without the loud nightlife. The nightlife is not all that makes this city.

Sorry John L, but this is MY HOME and you are just visiting.

A nightclub opened on my block in a former gay bar, a gay bar which HAD to watch every peep and was scrupulously quiet when open after hours every weekend night, but the noise, garbage and violence from the imbeciles who patronized & worked in this godforsaken hellhole known as 'Suede' made life unbearable every night until 5AM. Screaming, horn honking, unattended car alarms, fighting, LOUD 'music' coming from idling automobiles all ruined our neighborhood and the proprietor consistently lied about his efforts to reduce noise and area tension. Shut the hell up. Run your place like it was a gay bar under the ever watchful, hostile scrutiny of the local police precinct and maybe you can speak form a place of dignity and respect. Until all bars learn how to control their patrons the way gay bars are forced to, they can close @ 11PM as far as I am concerned.

I live in a very bar-heavy area. I don't mind the noise so much as I mind the vandalism, the vomit splashed everywhere, and the garbage covering every street. Last winter, every single weekend FLIDs would run down my street smashing car windows. Sorry, but that kind of shit's not okay. Then I take my dog for a walk the next morning and spend 90% of my time dodging drunk people's half-eaten food which they have thrown all over the sidewalk on every block.

What's a FLID?

Band practice at 1am on a Wednesday night? That sounds suspiciously like....my band....

As someone who lived in a building in which a bar moved in AFTER I rented the place, I have to say the tone of this article is absolute bull. It's not just uptight old people and stroller moms who are against this kind of noise. This bar was excruciatingly loud every night of the week until 4AM. I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but the intermittent sound of garbage trucks and horns hocking is much different than a constant dull thumping and the sound of drunk people screaming. There is a limit on the kind of noise a bar should be putting out, especially on weekdays.