CCTV. So are they hiring?

Aside from the obvious privacy concerns, my problems is with spending $200 million for 500 stupid cameras! That's almost half a million dollars per camera! WTF!

Hey sheeple, just shut up, bend over and jump on the bandwagon with this.

After all, you have no choice

You're back!

I missed you.

Awesome. Now we are certain to catch every terrorist who is too fucking stupid to get on a train in one of the 400 OTHER subway stations and ride it into Penn Station.

Terrorists are typically nuts, but even a retarded terrorist could see the holes in this "security" plan.

Video will clearly be used for investigation only, there is no way NYPD will catch the terrorist, but reviewing the tapes of our asses being blown to bits will be entertaining.

Bloomy got this idea from London where every train, every bus, every street is under constant surveillance but privacy laws are totally different [non existent] over there.

but of course the important cameras were all malfunctioned when something happened in london...,,,yeah...

I've never gotten why so many people are scared of street cameras - we live in NYC, hundreds if not thousands of people look at me and see me every time I leave the house. I look at people, more closely at the more memorable or attractive ones. If I'm filmed on 6th Ave headed to work, why should I care?

I'd understand the worry if my wife/mom/kid had unlimited access to raw footage of me during the course of the day - I'm checking out some hot girl's ass on the subway; I'm doing shots in a bar in the middle of a workday; Dad's smoking a cigar and making obscene hand gestures while yukking it up w/ his friends - but none of the above is illegal and I don't care if "the Man" catches me doing that stuff.

no, but if you wear a turban and have you earphones hanging out of your pocket i can see the police being all too excited to ask you a few questions.

lets not forget that the NYPD's biggest job is monitoring websites and blogs for people who criticize the administration and policies, since they cant get real terrorists they visit the home of people who criticize them, using their wierd cop logic, maybe this guy is a terrorist because he doesnt support us. next thing you know jake and jen are turning over your info and your cable company gives up the goods under a patriot act request without warrant, and they knock on your door and spot that dime bag, they didnt catch a terrorist but they just got an arrest overtime paycheck based on nonsense.

freedom of speech my a hole

Yeah, I'm gonna call bullshit on this idea. If cops visited the homes of people that crticize them then about 90% of posters to Gothamist would have been visited by the cops and I just don't see that happening.

sorry have you ever heard of robert lederman, how about CXB?

how about In August 1997, James Schillaci, a rough-hewn chauffeur from the Bronx, dialed Mayor Giuliani's radio program on WABC-AM to complain about a red-light sting run by the police near the Bronx Zoo. When the call yielded no results, Mr. Schillaci turned to The Daily News, which then ran a photo of the red light and this front page headline: "GOTCHA!"

That morning, police officers appeared on Mr. Schillaci's doorstep. "What are you going to do," Mr. Schillaci asked, "arrest me?" He was joking, but the officers were not.

They slapped on handcuffs and took him to court on a 13-year-old traffic warrant. A judge threw out the charge. A police spokeswoman later read Mr. Schillaci's decades-old criminal rap sheet to a reporter for The Daily News, a move of questionable legality because the state restricts how such information is released. She said, falsely, that he had been convicted of sodomy.

of course you dont hear about Bloombergs tactics because he controls the news media way better than ghouliani ever did since he OWNS them and has a habit of denying access to reporters who criticize him.

have the cops knocked on my door, they sure have, have they entered without a warrant, yup, have they tried to hassle my friends based on my criticizm of their anti terror tactics yup, you know why, they think that if i can articulate how this is bull then i must have something to hide or support because if im not thinking like them i must be thinking like a terorrist,,hahha

call a cop a pig they dont visit your house,

call a cop and the mayor a $ pig and detail how they are ripping you off and lying to the public they will visit your house. garanteed,

Why do you copy and paste entire sections of other people's writings and post them as your own?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/us/politics/22giuliani.html?ex=1358658000&en=29fd0ff771df8a73&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

I'm still waiting to hear about how the police monitor websites and visit the homes of people that criticize them not how Giuliani abused his power by harassing a man that called him on a radio show.

If the police really did what you claim you should bring civil action but I know you won't because you're just making up stories.

what if it captures some police misconduct? would it miraculously malfunction or fail to record or whatever excuse would be given. I like how most police tapes show the act after the fact. ie. the marriot TS hotel alley shooting, there's cameras all over the place, even one shown on the NYC cable channel but we only see the tape of the guy getting cuffed.

Well, this kind of shit *is* susceptible to abuse and manipulation from unethical cops with a personal agenda. I'd think twice before dating anybody who worked in the NYPD command center, for instance, since it's a stalker's paradise. (Hey aspiring screenwriters: you're welcome.)

In general you don't have to worry about official policy - you know that the gov't really isn't out to get you and you've got some legal protections. But you *do* have to worry about low-level dicks who abuse their power.

This is supposed to be a good thing?

WTF is wrong with us that we're so scared we think it's a good idea to be recorded every single day?

And to follow-up on what Ed said, yeah, legally it's different. Ethically - insofar as we have to take the subway or travel on a government built stree to survey -- it's not different. Public service is ubiquitous in our lives, but detailed surveillance should not be unless there is a specific or likely threat. Just being where everyone else is - on a train, on a street, in a plaza, is not reason to be recorded.

Exactly! This just seems wrong on so many levels.

There is a difference between this sort of surveillance on the subway and on the street. The subway is an enclosed, agency run environment, everyone knows there is some surveillance, and people just use it to get where they are going. They don't hang out there. The subway is more like a work environment.

But I want people to be upset about this, because I'm worried that once this is implemented it will be too easy to extend this to the street.

Ed it's been 'on the street' for almost 5 years and expanding on a regular basis.