They should use bacon drippings to ignite koran. Everything is better with bacon. Even islam.

Christ Warns of the Costs of Discipleship Luke 12:49-53 NKJV

49 “I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am till it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to give peace on earth? I tell you, not at all, but rather division. 52 For from now on five in one house will be divided: three against two, and two against three. 53 Father will be divided against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.”

the same Holy Spirit that was with Jesus in his days is with us now as we speak. the Father is still with us. Christians believe with all their heart that the same Spirit which guided the Lord to fulfill the commandments God gave Him is still with us, fulfilling His Will. Read John 16, I have included it below. It is the prophecy / Word of God from the Lord Jesus Christ toward all believers, concerning the conviction which is to come upon this generation. Jesus Christ is coming back. unless you believe he was a liar, then you do not believe Him. Or if you do not believe He existed, then don't. but you believe He existed, exists and will exist again forevermore, and that He was speaking the truth, obey it. Obey His Words, His teaching. Do His Will. It is up to you to decide. Stop beating around the bush, world. You either believe in Him or you don't. You either do what His Father Wills, or you hide from the purpose you are meant to accomplish.. as Jesus gave up and sacrificed His life to the Will of God, He now sits at the right hand of the Father and if we will that we receive the same reward, must we not obey the Son whom loveth the Father? Or shall we continue to receive His WORD in VAIN? TIME TO WAKE UP BEFORE ITS TOO LATE LUKE 12:8 “Also I say to you, whoever confesses Me before men, him the Son of Man also will confess before the angels of God. But he who denies Me before men will be denied before the angels of God."

John 16 (King James Version)

John 16

1These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.

2They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.

3And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

4But these things have I told you, that when the time shall come, ye may remember that I told you of them. And these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you.

5But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou?

6But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.

7Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9Of sin, because they believe not on me;

10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;

11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

12I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

16A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.

17Then said some of his disciples among themselves, What is this that he saith unto us, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me: and, Because I go to the Father?

18They said therefore, What is this that he saith, A little while? we cannot tell what he saith.

19Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?

20Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

21A woman when she is in travail hath sorrow, because her hour is come: but as soon as she is delivered of the child, she remembereth no more the anguish, for joy that a man is born into the world.

22And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you.

23And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

24Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

25These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

26At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

28I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

29His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.

30Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

31Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?

32Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

33These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Deceptions of the Last Hour 1 John 2:18 (NKJV)

18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

20 But you have an anointing ifrom the Holy One, and you know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the nFather either; ohe who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Well I'm glad Angelina Jolie has weighed in on the matter. Such a nuanced addition to the public discourse, and so eloquently stated.

Although to be fair to Jolie, really this is more a criticism of the news media in general than her particular contribution. Why do people care what a celebrity has to say about any given scenario?? Are we to ask Snooki's opinion on the Iraq withdrawal? Or ask Tom Brady what his opinion on the Ground Zero mosque?

When asked his position on the conflict between individual Consitutional rights, the bedrock of American society, and the potential safety of American troops worldwide following a hateful book-burning rally, Brady said "I'm just thinking about the Bengals on Sunday."

Why would an American "Christian" and his supporters want to emulate NAZI Book Burning?

Is that what they want to stand with/for?

In fairness to Nazis (never thought I'd say that), they are hardly the only ones to have ever burned books. See here: Wikipedia - chronology of notable book burning incidents

This just in: The US military just burned a bunch of Bibles taken from US soldiers in Afghanistan.

Stop the bullshit.

That is over a year old and the military did it respectfully of the Bibles.

From the Daily News:

The imam behind a proposed Islamic community center

and mosque near ground zero cautioned Wednesday that

moving the facility could cause a violent backlash

from Muslim extremists and endanger national security.

Oh wow! He's essentially saying "Don't follow your Constitution or we'll kill you. Don't call us violent or we'll kill you. Do as we say or we'll kill you"

Cartoons? Criticism? Protests? How Dare we?!

That's pretty much what they've been saying since the wily merchant with penchant for fancy writing and a thirst for blood came out of the desert to take over as many provinces of the Christian Byzantine Empire as he could. Funny how they later complained that the Crusades and being kicked out of Spain were crimes. Now they want to do it again.

You're an idiot.

You're insulting idiots everywhere...

To summarize your points:

1) Building a community center in New York = Muslim conquest of the Maghrib and Spain.

2) Crusades and Spanish ethnic cleansing in 1492 = unworthy of criticism from its victims.

I guess what you are trying to say is that Muslims want conquest and complain when they are repelled or ejected. Of course, to refer to the "Christian Byzantine Empire" is arbitrary, historically, since the areas of that realm had previously (and also contemporaneously) contained a number of other religious faiths, e.g. Judaism, Zoroastrianism, and many varieties of Paganism. This is the same argument Al Qaeda makes when it declares it wishes to control Spain once again: some glorious moment of history (circa 800 CE) was "good" and whatever followed its ending (post 1492, the reconquest of Granada) has been "bad".

More importantly, you appear to believe that all Muslims ("they") have some agreed goal, some sort of master plot. See "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" for a similar theory. This is hardly worth discussing since it is quite plainly wrong.

As a side note, I don't see where the Imam is saying "Don't follow your Constitution," said amended document making quite clear that the Federal government can neither endorse nor prohibit religion, and having little else to say on the matter. Zoning laws are the only relevant laws in this case, and those are not defined in the Constitution.

There is some irony behind the 'endangering national security' argument, namely that it suggests that some Muslims are as ignorant about the community center's purpose as most Americans seem to be. In short, this doesn't seem to be any sort of holy building. In any case, no matter where it is built, it is likely to be attacked by American extremists saying it should never have been built in the first place. So, build it and Teabaggers will firebomb it. Don't build it and we're threatened by Al Qaeda. Well, shit.

But that's a whole other kebab from provocations which endanger Americans with no evident purpose, i.e. burning holy books, which is what this Gothamist article is about anyway -- not about the "Ground Zero Mosque".

Why is the media making this idiot into a star?

No one had even heard of this clown until they gave him the national spotlight.

The media ia getting totally out of hand, their quest of ratings is really taking a toll on this country. Sure in a country of 300 million you can find someone burning a Koran, or a Bible, or a Torah or The Constitution, or the flag or the Bill of Rights, or whatever but does that make them worthy of the national spotlight. Broadcasting this across the world as if this idiot is representative of anything but a handful of Americans is totally irresponsible and dangerous, not only to our tropps but also to our national security.

Well, this dude seems to be a Fred Phelps type. So they typically make it onto the news.

Fred Phelps type? Yup:

On April 18, 2010, members of the church participated in a joint protest with the Westboro Baptist Church against homosexuality.

I thought the same thing. But if regular media hadn't reported it, he himself would have probably alerted Fox News personally.

Too bad, this could have been a case of "if a tree falls in the forest but nobody hears it, does it make a sound?"

sigh...

Bloomberg is the absolute king of understatement. I swear, if the holocaust were happening today, he would call it "unexceptible." It's symptomatic of a real loss of nerve in the language when the price of organic vegetables is "outrageous" while sacrilege as a deliberate provocation to the world's second largest religion is "distasteful" or, at worst, leaves one speechless. I mean, come on, use your imagination.

Okay, clearly this pastor is a very ignorant man. He wants to burn a book that he has never read and that he does not understand. I never read the Koran, but I will. Personally, by reading other peoples religious books, it gives the rest of us better understanding where people are coming from. Of course this is a bit different, than it was before, now that we have the internet. However, this was the same problem we had thousand+ years ago when schools and universities were burned and all books were destroyed because of "Other" religions not agreeing with other religions.

Sadly more people die and hate, and more wars have been started all because of religions.

Best comment on this whole thing from Slate:

"If we have to give up our freedoms to protect the troops, then that defeats the purpose of sending them overseas to protect our freedoms in the first place.



Maybe the problem here is that not enough people are doing it. If everyone was burning Qurans in mass, maybe extremist Muslims would quit thinking they can control the world through violence and threats and then we wouldn't have anyone wanting to burn them. Just as the best protection for the media in dealing with those offensive cartoons would have been for all of them to publish them. It was when only a few crossed that line that it set the minority up to be targeted and set the precedent that this one religion can dictate what is and isn't printed.



We allow the extremists of this religion to limit our freedoms, but we don't bow to other religions. You believe in polygamy? Well, too bad. Only one wife for you.You don't believe in giving your kid medical treatment? Well, too bad. We're treating him. You don't believe in eating pork. Well, too bad. that's more McRibs for me. You believe that war is wrong? Well, too bad. We're invading anyway.



You don't like our right to free speech? Oh, I'm sorry, that's different. We won't print that anymore and we won't burn that anymore and we won't say those words anymore. Any Muslims driven to violence by this crackpot in Florida are already unreachable nut jobs and they would use any excuse to get violent. It could be this guy burning the Quran or it could be us making a woman Secretary of State or it could be a guy eating a hamburger on Wednesday. It doesn't matter.



Mature human know how to separate the injury of being offended from a need to use fear, pain, and death to avenge their sensitivities. The common sense of decades still holds true. If you are offended by the images of a redneck Floridian burning a Quran, then don't watch him do it. I have no problem with any religious people of any beliefs, as long as they can grasp that basic piece of civilized freedom. If they can't, then I'm for torching their holy books until they learn it.



People around the world burn our flags and christian bibles whenever they get sick and tired of us. Well, apparently Dove is sick and tired of them. He's got that right. And they have the right to be offended and burn bibles and hold their own rallies. What they will not have is the right to use threats and violence to force their will on the rest of us. Unless, of course, we cower and cave to their demands once again, which is basically giving them that right."

The idea that "only one religion can dictate what is and is not printed" just isn't supported by reality, where we have seen certain non-muslim religious groups use their influence to ban books from libraries or rewrite school textbooks to include their specific religious beliefs.

The idea that anyone who becomes a terrorist is going to become a terrorist no matter what is circular and defies common sense. This is also disputed by interviews with those who have been successfully recruited by AQ and other terror groups. As one example, the disrepect of the Koran at Guantanamo was cited by a cousin of one of the London terrorists as an event that pushed him over the edge.

These events reinforce the meme of the Muslim Rush Limbaughs and Glenn Becks: that America is at war with Islam. If everyone was burning Korans en masse, those nutjobs would be vindicated, not spurned.

If everyone in Iran started burning the US flag, would you just shrug and say "oh well, we can't control that.."? Somehow I doubt it.