Drunk Man Pees On Prayer Rugs At Queens Mosque

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I'm glad he pissed on the rug-maybe it will force those smelly fuckers to use soap and water before they get into their cabs...

Teddy Roosevelt once body slammed the Prime Minister of Canada and told him "don't piss on my rug"

Maybe he was a muslim.

And as the media, especially Fox News, continues to fan the flames of hate and bigotry for their ratings we will undoubtedly see more incidents like this and the cab driver stabbing. We are going into dangerous territory now and it's not even coming from the terrorists. I'm all for the war on terrorists but now this is becoming a war on religion and that is very dangerous. Let's keep in mind that there's close to 2 billion muslims throughout the world.

Ever watched Olbermann on MSNBC? That's a real hate fest. Richard Madcow is nearly as bad. More snark, less screaming.

2B Muslims & thy produce meaningful to rest of the humankind, except oil, dried dates & terrorism.

Maddow is packing junk

You're packing crap where your brain would be.

>> Ever watched Olbermann on MSNBC? That's a real hate fest. Richard Madcow is nearly as bad. >>

Oh yeah, Keith and Rachel are real hate-filled warmongers! HA!

Really? How come in the US, where we have Fox and MSNBC, we keep having nutty violence from people who say they listen to Beck and O'Reilly (and Limbaugh), and nearly nothing from Maddow fans?

There is a lot of anti-government, anti-women's right, anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim violence in the US right now, and the right wing media is getting morons hyped up to commmit it.

And you talk about "hate" from Maddow?

Not only do I agree with you, sir, I applaud your ability to comprehend what this idiot was trying to say.

Now is the time to start ambushing the hate and fear mongering Anti American COWARDLY republican christian, they threw down the gaunglet now lets return the favor.

Look they have TERRORIST Central known as FAUX NOISE the Nit Wit noise station for the the Uneducated and inbred. It has been proven they are a terrorist orgaization and want the DEATH of America look at their ShareHol;ders and how they are PROTECTING them, DO NOT forget this Share Holder is the one wanting the Mosque at ground zero.

Next look at the TERROR@IST fox NOISE and their support of the American leader of BP and his stance NOT to comment on or answer question about Lockebie Scotland, tell me these TEROORIST at fox Noise aren't working over time with Misdirection and Twisted facts.

Baseball bats, bows and arrows and guns kill them all as they are Anti American. booby trap their stair cases car accidents oops my brakes failed. The more dead Anti American fox employees and their followers the better off for American and the REAL AMERICANS

Uh. What?

Oh come now. Let's not get nutsy-poo.

Rivera is a NYC performance artist in search of NEA grant. If he only kept his urine "bottled", he'd have become a darling of polite society.

The Captain was here.

Wasn't his fault. Dude drank too much and had to pee. Like, what? The mosque guys can't get the carpet cleaned? Then he talks trash about their faith? Come on! Dude was just, you know, shit-faced. I mean, seriously, Islam. You folks find this disrespectful?

Sheesh!

that is so......sigma nu.

or something. wtf.

My initial reaction to this is to burst out laughing. Am I being insensitive?

A bit. But pissing is sorta funny, as is people saying they can't pray because they lack a rug.

I'm not condoning the vandalism and hate - it's a sign of stuff in our society that are being whipped up by some elements of the media and some politicians. But yeah, the action is slightly funny.

Don't be so ignorant about the rugs, jt10000, or about Islam in general.

The prayer rug keeps the worshippers clean and comfortable during the prostration to God during prayers. Every Muslim must perform a ritual cleaning of himself or herself before they pray, and they must pray in a clean place.

If you think of it as somewhat akin to a yarmulke for an observant Jew who must cover his head during prayer, or the Pope's mitre, you might understand why this is a big issue.

OK, so let's see, SFNY: not knowing enough about the rugs that people use for bowing down to talk to a magic guy in the sky: ignorant. The actual act of bowing down to talk to a magic guy in the sky: not ignorant.

We are through the fucking looking glass now, folks.

I'm not ignorant about Islam - rather I think all physical rituals of organized religion are pretty silly.

One other thing - I am somewhat ignornant of Islam, Judaism, Christianity, esp the details and deeper aspects of the religion. But stuff like clean place to pray w/o shoes for Muslims, yarmulkes as a sign of humility in Judaism, etc. I'm aware of. I appreciate the way those things show the dedication of the believers, but still they're kind of silly to take too seriously.

Ok, so we'll revise the "so" to somewhat, but now we have to add in a "disrespectful." You're not making your position any better...

I'm not trying to make it "better" - I'm trying to be clear. So yes, I don't respect the details of religion as important things. I think it's silly superstition.

It makes me laugh when someone calls me disrespectful for something I don't respect at all and thinks that's pejorative. It's a compliment!

So thanks!

Thank you for setting everything straight. I don't have a problem with those who have faith, but I do have a problem with their backwoods worship of symbols and fear of reprisal for not doing everything perfectly as their "god" demands, especially when those demands were dictated by humans.

STOP calling it ground zero.

Enough.

The real terrorists are winning.

Another day, another embarrassing, hateful event in our city. Being an atheist, I find it interesting that many Christian denominations have no problem pushing their agenda down the throats of the rest of us, yet fly into a rage when someone else simply wants to exercise their constitutionally-guaranteed right to practice a different religion. Now, I don't know if this particular idiot is a Christian, but a lot of this hate stems from the refusal to acknowledge the rights of practitioners of "minority religions". Religious freedom? Suuuuure.

If you're an atheist, how can you be in favor of any new house of worship being built? This is why I'm against the mosque - it boggles my mind that anyone can think that the answer to an enormous religious crime can be more religion.

Atheists are not against all religions, they simply do not believe in them.

Fine; I'm not against religions, I'm against the fucking retarded things that people do and say based on the things they believe. However, once you throw the bathwater out, you're not left with much of a baby.

There are a lot of good things that come from religion like soup kitchens and food pantries, charity work and members of a church coming together to help one another, the way it should be. There will always be people who take religion and twist it to use for evil. That doesn't erase all of the good things that people do in the name of their God.

It doesn't erase all the good things that religions do? Really? Would you make the same argument about the Third Reich or the USSR? Both of those gave a lot of poor people jobs, built public works, educated the illiterate, etc. Are those things not "erased" by everything else they did?

Yeah you're right. My family that takes up collections through the church for poor families who cannot afford food are as bad as Fred Phelps.

Nice try, but that doesn't have anything to do with what I said. What you're implying I said is something like "everything that religions do is bad," in which case the your family's church charity/Fred Phelps analogy would make sense. Except that I didn't say that; what I said, or at least what I was trying to get at before you ignored my question altogether, is that the evil that religion causes far outweighs the good that it does.

No one here thinks you are making any sense. It must be EVERYONE, and not you.

I don't care if no one agrees; I didn't claim to be speaking for anyone but me, and my beliefs aren't contingent on what everyone else around happens to think. Speaking of beliefs, I'm still curious about your answers to my two questions (if you've forgotten, the first was about whether the bad things that the Third Reich and the USSR did outweigh the good and the other was about the church near the site of Matthew Shepard's murder, see above).

A church near the site of Matthew Shepard's murder? Why not? Was Matthew Shepard murdered by priests? A congregation? Did his murder have anything to do with religion? Would EVERYONE of Catholic or Christian or Baptist faith do the exact same thing if presented with a gay person? Even if these rednecks killed him while chanting "THIS IS FOR JESUS!" it doesn't mean all people of that faith believe that way.

You are equating Muslims with Nazis. Nazis made death camps and murdered people. Do Muslims do that in America? Does every Muslim in America want to take over, kill infidels and institute Sharia Law? No. Most of them are just living their lives and not bothering you at all.

Stop lumping all Muslims together. You don't even know any.

So you would be okay with a Christian pastor who publicly said that Matthew Shepard is partially to blame for his own murder building a church next to its site? OK, great. Thanks for letting us know where you stand on that one. Now, another question: is there anything you won't lay down for as long as it's being done by someone wearing clerical garb?

On point 2: I wish that you would stop making up your own questions instead of answering mine. The question was not "do you agree that all Muslims are Nazis"? The question was this: would you say that the evil that the Third Reich and the USSR perpetrated outweighed the good that they did? It's a yes or no question, man.

On the question of lumping all Muslims together: isn't that kind of the point of joining a religion in the first place? You have a deity, a holy book which is the word of that deity, and then a set of laws about how the word of the deity is interpreted and how the interpretation is used in life. If you believe in that deity and his word and follow the laws, you're in; if you're don't, you're out. It's not a salad bar that you can just pick and choose bits and pieces from. If you don't like what your coreligionists are doing based on what your deity says in your holy book, maybe you should consider, I don't know, not being part of that religion anymore?

As to your question about Muslims murdering people in America: yes, that has, in fact, happened. In fact, it wasn't that far from the Park51 center, which, if I'm not mistaken, is the reason for all this fuss in the first place.

Dude, I don't have to answer any of your questions. Everything has been explained to you over and over and you just ask stupider and stupider questions. Yes, the millions of peaceful Muslims in the USA outweigh the very few terrorists that want to hurt America's economy and people.

Not all Muslims want to take over America and make it like Pakistan. A very few do. Meet some people instead of spouting off over some stuff you read on Wikipedia.

However, a lot of us do those things without the backdrop of worshiping a god. I know you're aware of this, but just thought it was worth a mention.

I've always felt that human nature is rather confrontational on the large scale and that religion is just one of the many excuses that people use to fight with each other (other examples include land "rights", money, color of skin, etc.). We really are a sad lot.

you are a total idiot. it's not about religion per se, its about the f'ing Constitution. are you saying that because you're an atheist that your against all mosque and church building? your logic is totally whack.

Yes, I know about the Constitution, thanks. I never said they don't have a right to build it, just like, if I gather up the money, I have the right to build a sign across the street that flashes "ALLAH SUX LOL" in forty-foot tall letters. However, saying that you accept Park51's right to do it but personally think they shouldn't isn't enough for the pro-mosque people; basically, the way that the rhetoric is going these days, unless you actively support its construction, you're a bigot.

And yes, I most certainly am against the construction of any house of worship. Why shouldn't an atheist be? I'm sorry if my logic is "whack" to you, but given the fact that you managed to spell "you're" both correctly and incorrectly in one sentence suggests that trying to explain "logic" to you might be sort of an uphill battle.

BTW i was directing my ire towards this Jamie Mcdonald moron.

I'm not "for" the mosque (which is actually a community center, BTW), per se. What I am for is the upholding of laws that protect a person's right to practice their religion freely or abstain from doing so, like me. Most of the people who are Islamophobic seem to believe in something equally as irrational as what Muslims believe and I therefore think they're hypocrites. Whatever any one of us may believe, it doesn't give us the right to impose religious tyranny upon others.

between this and the stabbing guy, it proves that the people who care the most about this mosque nonsense are not manhattanites or residents of 'ground zero'. they're white trash from the boros.

Omar Rivera, white trash from the boros? unlikely.

The guy who stabbed the cabbie is from Brewster.

point being, not from the area most affected. could be the boros or suburbs - makes no difference.

Just another Lebowski fan...

i'd suspect it was one of our resident right-wing hate-spewing commenters but they rarely leave their mom's basements unless The Palinator is in town.

I hate all carpeting. I admit, I'm prejudice against floor coverings.

I think we should be careful of tossing around the term "hate crime" everytime someone acts like an asshole otherwise it'll quickly become meaningless.

Good point.

The guy shouted anti-Muslim slurs, called everyone terrorists and urinated on sacred prayer rugs. How much more proof that this was a "hate crime" do you need?

(List of my things to do today: 1. Make a donation to Park57 2. Make a donation to Al-Imam mosque to replace destroyed prayer rugs. 3. Send get well card to the cabbie who was stabbed.)

4) write sanctimonious Internet post claiming I'm going to do things I'm never actually going to do (you don't even know the name of the people building the mosque

Perhaps your own list should include:

#5. Get my panties in a knot that someone with a conscience and a sense of proactive ethics made a typo... oooooohh! I said Park57 instead of Park 51! You are clearly so much more enlightened than the rest of us!

#6. Get into one of the stupidest Internet fights I've seen since Felix the Cat signed onto Gothamist.

#7. Make a judgment call against a stranger based on aforementioned typo based on my jealousy and bitterness that other people take action (and make suggestions to others to take similar actions) while I sit around making stupid, irrelevant snarky comments

It's nice to know that your sense of conscience and proactive ethics includes donating money to people who hate gays, think that women should be covered up, and think that a murderous theocracy is a perfectly acceptable form of government.

Are you a citizen of the United States of America?

Yep.

You seem proud to have committed genocide against Native Americans; sponsored state-sanctioned drownings; hangings and burnings of "devil" women; enslaved Africans; persecuted Asians at home and abroad; conducted covert wars and propped up crooked dictators in Latin America and Europe.

If we're going with the collective guilt thing then let's go all the way, pal.

Uh, what? The people building the Community Center, now called Park51, are pretty well known:

http://www.cordobainitiative.org/

Why are you such a prick?

Park51, not Park57. Getting the details right shows that you're paying attention. Sorry, man; when I was a kid, a teacher told me to pay attention. Guess I took it to heart.

The reason I'm such a prick is because it incenses me that most other people on the left, while quick to (correctly) condemn the antics of Christian conservatives, at the same time bend over backwards to show off how cool they are with Islam, which is an unspeakably vile religion, even worse than Christianity, and which, even when practiced in its "moderate" form, goes against most everything progressives believe. I just don't get it.

>> Islam, which is an unspeakably vile religion, even worse than Christianity, and which, even when practiced in its "moderate" form, goes against most everything progressives believe. I just don't get it. >>

What "moderate" practices do you find vile? Ramadan? Taking your shoes off in the dergah? Not smoking or drinking?

Being progressive means that you don't want anyone in America to be discriminated against. Have you ever known Muslim people? Worked with them? Been inside a mosque? I have, more times than I can count. They were nothing but nice and gracious, the women very smart, well-read and witty, and no one ever tried to push an agenda on me or said anything remotely "vile". They live in America, not Pakistan.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that Muslims don't smoke, but whatever. And yes, prohibiting drinking is pretty repulsive. But what I was referring to more is most Muslims'stance on gay rights, abortion, gender equality, and the role of religion in government (for fun, look up what Imam Feisal Rauf has had to say about the Iranian theocracy). Oh, also: the many parts of the Koran which explicitly instruct Muslims to fight and kill unbelievers. I've never heard an explanation of how the Muslims that take that part to heart are misinterpreting anything that the actual Koran says.

>> Oh, also: the many parts of the Koran which explicitly instruct Muslims to fight and kill unbelievers. I've never heard an explanation of how the Muslims that take that part to heart are misinterpreting anything that the actual Koran says. >>

Well, I can never get an explanation from Christians about all the wacky and violent laws in the Bible. But I don't mind if churches are built. I assume no one will get stoned to death if they work on Sunday.

Well, I do mind churches being built, and I especially mind if the churches are being built near the sites of religious crimes perpetrated by Christians. How would you feel, for example, if a Christian church was being built near where Matthew Shepard was killed (not really a religious crime, but let's roll with it), especially if the pastor in charge had made public statements about Shepard being responsible for what had happened to him?

If you think that me saying that prohibiting drinking is repulsive is so bad, I've got good news for you: Mitt Romney, a Mormon, is probably going to run for president in a couple years. Sounds like a match made in heaven.

>> Well, I do mind churches being built, >>>

Waaah, why don't you cry about it?

Molesting priests' actions do not erase the church's charity work. There.

(and I am not even religious, I just believe in freedom)

>> prohibiting drinking is pretty repulsive >>

Well, nothing you say can ever be taken seriously because you say stupid crap like that. Instead of reading about things, get to know some humans. When has a normal, American Muslim person ever threatened anyone, ever?

As an addendum to that: it also boggles my mind that Sarah Palin et al. are attacking Muslims, because their stances on most social issues are virtually identical. Indeed, a CAIR poll found that 72% of Muslims voted for Bush in 2000, almost as high as the ~78% of white Christian evangelicals that did so.

SP's Ghost (Sarah Palin's ghost? AUUUGH!) didn't say Park57. Pay attention.

Read the whole thread. See how the whole "replied to" thing works? Just follow that backwards. It's really convenient!

Yeah you replied to SP saying "Park51, not Park57. Getting the details right shows that you're paying attention. Sorry, man; when I was a kid, a teacher told me to pay attention. Guess I took it to heart."

It was Tricksta who said Park57. Not that it matters a whit, but you are being reeeeeeally condescending about something you yourself got wrong. Twice.

So yeah.

Tricksta said it originally but it was SP that tried to correct me. It would make no sense to reply to tricksta twice in response to a correction that he didn't try to make.

No one tried to correct you. SP was pointing out that it is not Cordoba House.

You clearly don't know how to use the reply functionality, you arrogant presumptive turd.

Aw, is someone angwy? Go tell Allah on me, he'll make it all better. You'll need to find a clean rug first, though.

Wow. You're a real jerk.

let's call them "ass crimes"

urinating on rugs this close to ground zero is just insensitive.

The drunk is an asshole.

"That rug really tied the room together"

Yeah, at least the Muslims are housebroken.

Rivera was eventually subdued and held in a back room, where he was promptly beheaded.

He deserved a beating. While I may be against the mosque so close to ground zero, there is a difference between protesting via speech, and being a complete idiot and disrespecting any religion by intentionally destroying something of that religion.

The backlash against the mosque near ground zero incites violent and hateful acts like this. If you're telling people that a mosque shouldn't be built there because of terrorist activity that will spring forth from it, how do you think they're going to respond to mosques and Muslims in their own neighborhood. The protestation of this mosque has reverberations felt far beyond ground zero.

Couldn't have said it better myself. We will continue to reap what the loony right wing has sown in this country.

Don't forget the pussy left wing...

Should be sent to Gitmo and held indefinitely.

Those pesky Muslims.

Yeah, why do they insist on having mosques near where drunk people might want to piss. I mean, sure, they have a right to pray, but do they really have to get in the way like that?

The first step is admitting you have a problem.