Parents Mad Cafe Won't Put Up With Their Annoying Kids

First off... its the right of any business to refuse service. If they refuse too much of it, consumers will stop visiting that establishment. That in mind Im sure the owner of this cafe was well aware of what they were doing and after weighing out the pros and cons of this decision they still chose to end the sing along. To me that says they had a lot more than a couple broken plates and window.

That all being said... I dont agree with so many of the comments referring to children as parasites and annoyances. Yes its true some parents dont do a great job with regards to parenting... but dont paint us all with the same brush. I have experienced quite a few temper tantrums thrown by adults in public to wonder why they dont control themselves! How many times have you had to sit next to some one on a plane and hear their music OVER their headphones? or try to get out of your window seat while they have their ipod going and their lap top out?? How about the couple in the middle of Home Depot that cant agree on a paint color that decides to have a thrown down fight? If adults were so awesome why do we have door guys and bouncers (even at the nice clubs)?

PEOPLE in general are rude and out of control... not just the children. At least the young children dont know any better.

AND... How are you supposed to teach a child how to behave in public if you arent allowed to take them out into it?

My son is no angel... but he knows how to behave in public... and why? Because he knows the cause and effect of NOT behaving in public. He wouldnt DARE pull the stunts listed in this article.... even if I wasnt around and he was with a friend... i WELCOME people pointing things out that he's done wrong... great opportunity to nip a problem in the bud!

I'm totally with the owner on this. When I was a kid, and misbehaved in a store and broke something, my mom was mortified, she apologized profusely and paid for the item. Where have manners and discipline gone?

Brooklyn sucks anyway.

I like how this became a kid/parents of brooklyn bashing.. this place was hosting a kid event weekly and all the kids and parents should not be ripped apart for some parents lack of parenting skills and simple common sense.. the kid is not into the show and going nuts, OK leave maybe try another time but no it should not be plates and windows broken - that is ridiculous actually.

To those who want to judge parents of this neighborhood or that one, black and white and how great Brooklyn was before those damn hipsters moved in and oh wait.. before your brownstone or home was worth how much?? you were all kids once and clearly your own parents made mistakes with your upbringing based on your ignorant comments.

I take my kids out to all kinds of places but I do take them out of the situation when they are acting up (guess what kids act up especially when they are toddlers). They also need to know that when they act that way they will not get to enjoy things like that.

I think it is great the singalongs are cancelled as I stopped going to this place for other reasons: food, just so so coffee, awful baked goods and snail slow service and the price being too high for all of it. I have had weird experiences with the owner not kid related so singalong or not this place is not worth going to.. the only reason people go here anyway is because there are not many options. Crossroads is a much better option.

Children should be seen and not heard.

Spare the rod, spoil the child.

All you parents out there who think your little parasites are interesting and charming let me tell you there are more of us who feel just the opposite. Get the picture?

I think Alexander Lagos means Brooklyn TRANSPLANT parents

are really defensive and don't like to be criticized about their parenting skills. These same parents also look down upon their childrens teachers and feel intellectually superior (and like to change the educational curriculum to satisfy what they consider appropriate teaching methods).

Unfortunately, common sense cannot be learned in a textbook and many of these parents lack this important quality. They think nothing of having their toddlers walk behind them while crossing busy intersections, let them run through swing areas in playground expecting older kids to stop suddenly while in full motion, and this new trend of letting their young kids exit the back of their vehicles on the street side not curb side - all drivers must yield to oncoming children while parents stay safely seated in their cars!

Are these the same parents who will monitor every single item these kids will consume - you bet!

AHHH - the new and improved Brooklyn!

I used to work in a Japanse restaurant, and nothing was more horrifying than toddlers running up and down the service aisle while waiters were carrying enormous trays laden with boiling hot soup, pots of tea, glasses, knives, and other items that would be harmful to children if dumped on their tiny heads. Some parents don't seem to understand that it's dangerous to give children free rein to run around wherever they go. I have seen toddlers running twenty feet ahead of their parents on busy streets with fast-moving traffic. Or running through subway stations where any number of strangers could snatch them up, or they could fall onto the tracks. If you are out in public with your toddler, the kid really shouldn't wander more than a few feet away without holding your hand. And have some sympathy for waiters carrying heavy trays - it's hard enough withou having to manuever around erratic little toddlers.

The moms and dads of Windsor Terrace "think it's cute that my child is expressing himself by breaking a window," groused the Russian immigrant.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/08/18/2010-08-18_not_seen_or_heard_parents_miffed_as_bklyn_cafeacute_nixes_singalongs_due_to_rowd.html#ixzz0wzYhA9W2

1) the parents whose child shit himself 10 minutes into a flight (we could smell, why not the parents?), then cried every 10 minutes for the rest of the flight, while the parents just sat there saying "shhh". Then the parents giggled and mumbled something about what a good baby he normally is.

2) at a diner, the mother too obsessed with BBM to even look at her daughter as she poured syrup all over herself and the table.

3) the parents on the subway and other places that let their kids SCREAM at the top of their lungs without ever telling them to be quiet. Again, do they not hear it? Do they think it's a cute expression of their feelings?

etc etc

"Kid friendly" does not mean putting up with kids that behave badly. But that is not totally the kids fault, the parent needs to remember that they are in fact the parent and act like one. The mother who threatened to burn the place down...good coping skills happening there.

those poor, poor kids. i can only imagine what they'll end up like...

You dont have to imagine. Just look at the parents.

At The Dock out in Montauk, their logo has been for many years: “No checks, no credit cards, no cellphones, take screaming children outside.”

I find most city-dwelling straight women with kids insufferable. This only confirms my repulsion.

A coffee shop in California had this sign:

ALL UNATTENDED CHILDREN WILL BE GIVEN AN ESPRESSO, A PUPPY AND A DRUM

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmazzola1/3605686440/in/set-72157619324509579/

"They don't like to hear any criticism of how they're raising their children."

That's the problem. They don't raise their kids. A nanny does. That's why they behave like they're demonically possesed when mom finally takes them out.

I can finally go back there! The one time I met a friend there for coffee, we had to stagger through noisy child play-time in the back to get to the bathroom, and had to shout over the din. I doubt this will change the slightly creepy Christian vibe the place has, though. Still, there's not many options around.

would anyone get upset if i used "creepy islamic vibe" to describe anything?

Not me. In fact, a creepy Islamic vibe can be found in the very same neighborhood, if you go west a few blocks over to McDonald and then south down to Church.

To be fair, the creepy vibe at Church and McDonald also relates to the gross bar and the day laborers and the air conditioner that's always dripping on the subway stairs. Actually, there's like 500 creepy things about that spot.

what do you mean creepy Christian vibe?

I think I saw the Serenity prayer posted in the back. Also, there was pipe organ music coming quietly from the radio (I didn't make that part up for effect).

It's hard to explain unless you've been there, but it totally makes sense if you do. Also, it's surprising that it's owned by Russians - I always assumed it was owned by Chinese people since those were the only people I've seen working there.

Did any of them write FART on the wall?

To any stroller pushing parents out there: Please leave the kids home when going out to restaurants (except Chucky Cheese etc). Having worked in the restaurant industry for over 30 years I can speak for most of us: we HATE seeing you come in with your (sometimes huge)strollers, cereal, beverages etc only to bother other guests and leave a huge mess for us to clean up when you finally leave(never soon enough). It was not always this way. Today's parents seem to think this behavior is ok. It's not. No, it's not cute when your little brats bump in to servers and busboys trying to do their job and into other guests. Remember before you had kids wanting to go out and have a quiet dinner. Sometimes that's impossible thanks to you!

As a parent and a restaurant patron, let me say that I don't give a fuck what you think. Oh, you had to pick up some cheerios? Boo-fucking-hoo.

It's the Gothamist-ization of the Daily News.

It doesn't matter how pretty or smart your kids are.

Without good manners, people will think they are just jerks.

I vote for Jack to manage Oak!!! The sad part is that those parents condone that type of behavior.

Today's parents have the idea that by teaching their children manners and setting limits, this somehow, will hinder their development.

Great for the Oak! I have 2 kids and I can't stand the parents who allow their kids who act like brats. I can't stand most people's kids. Windsor and PS parents have no idea what they are doing, kids are the parents.

What were they singing? Guns n Roses?

Welcome to the Jungle.

Limp Bizkit's "Break Stuff."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJ7pgElCPXE

One kid broke a window! I hope the parent offered to pay for that.

The fact that one hideous self-entitled parent threatened to BURN THE PLACE DOWN because it refused to subject itself to damage from out of control, undisiplined brats pretty much tells us who is right and who is wrong in this story.

"parents mad cafe" -- what a lovely name for a cafe; i'm taking notes.

There's a great cafe in Chicago's Andersonville neighborhood called A Taste of Heaven that banned young children altogether after several run-ins with parents letting their kids run free. Sure, there was backlash at first, but it's a private business and they have the right to refuse service to anyone. I found myself frequenting it more often knowing that it would be a quiet place to grab a bite, and to support a decision I feel is not used often enough. It's OK to have places that don't want to allow kids. Just take your kids elsewhere.

All unattended children wil be sold into slavery.