MTA Approves Anti-Mosque Ad with Plane Flying into WTC

My favorite part of this? The biggest screamers aren't those living here in NY who actually have to live with the threat of real terrorism. It's those who claim to speak for "America" and are using the mosque issue to run for re-election in EBF.

Hey, they are ALSO the ones soaking up anti-terror money for their non-target states! Funny how that works.

Why there?

"Why not!" - Bluto

Nobody is disputing that Moslems have a legal right to build a mosque near Ground Zero. So, this is not a question of freedom of religion -- especially considering that there are nearly 2000 mosques in the United States and over a hundred in New York City. Those who oppose building a mosque at that site also have a right to oppose it. They have a right to protest and to urge the public to oppose the mosque. The controversy over this proposed mosque has done a lot to link the atrocity of 9/11 with Islam in the minds of the public -- and that is a very positive development. If the mosque gets built, it will continue to link 9/11 with Islam in the eyes of the public. For Moslems, the mosque will be a symbol of Islamic triumph. For non-Moslems, it will be a symbol of the aggressive, violent imperialist nature of Islam.

Pam Geller is a hero, and she deserves all the support we can give her.

Pam Geller is an ignorant spiteful piece of dung.

>> For Moslems, the mosque will be a symbol of Islamic triumph.>>

Also, this is 100% wrong.

Nope, you are wrong and here's why. If the Community Center is blocked from being built it will link all Muslims to terrorism and 9/11. It's like saying "We cannot build this here, because they were responsible for the attacks." They were not. It was a small faction of extremists. If the Community Center is built (3 blocks from WTC site, not ON GROUND ZERO, why do people keep saying that?) it will show that we understand that this attack was not done by Muslims in general, but a small extremist faction. Just like all Christians are not gay-bashers or abortion-doctor murderers, and all priests are not child-molesters.

Needs more flames, maybe bodies flying through the air

I wish I had $10,000 to buy ads that say "Why There? BECAUSE THE FIRST AMENDMENT, YOU DOLT!"

greggutfeld

Hey, how do you feel about my gay Muslim bar to be built near the Mosque? Do you applaud community outreach? . . .

Is it because Muslims don't like homosexuals? is it that sensibility you feel I'm offending. There will be no alcohol. . . .

If we can welcome a mosque near GZ, then you should welcome a gay Muslim nightclub near your Mosque. Why won't you? . . .

Gay rights is a domestic conflict? Thank God, that here in America it doesn't end in executions.

>> If we can welcome a mosque near GZ, then you should welcome a gay Muslim nightclub near your Mosque. Why won't you? . . . >>

Who said they wouldn't? IF someone really wanted to open a gay bar (and not just SAY IT to "get them Muslims back!") it would be no problem. Would it be OK next to a church? Saying this gay bar stuff is intolerance for both Muslims and gays DISGUISED as tolerance! "We'll show 'em, we'll open a gay bar! Them Muslims hate them queers! What? What's wrong with that? I'm supportin' gays!"

Good luck convincing gays that there's nightlife that far south.

Way to spin the fact the MTA just approved an ad promoting religious intolerance.

To further educate you on the issue of Gays in Islam I suggest you review the debate going on here:

http://goatmilkblog.com/2010/08/09/muslim-americans-should-support-legalizing-same-sex-marriage-michael-muhammad-knight-for-goatmilk-debates/

However, is spite of your obviously evil intentions that somehow a gay bar next to a mosque is a checkmate that exposes all of Islams flaws (would you suggest this for a Jehovahs Witness place of worship? No, why? Because you are an islamophobe that has no idea what American-Islam is about.) Oh way, this isnt a debate about Gays in Islam -- it's about a right-wing racist group buying ad-space from the MTA and putting misleading intolerant, hate fanning ads on the train while hypocritical groups like the ADL sit back and sneer. Make an ad implying ANYTHING about Jews and your career is over. Furthermore making an ad to stop the building of a Church by pointing out the Hutaree Montana militia would be equally as unacceptable. This is nothing short of city mandated hate spewing at the expense of a population about to engage in a 30 day fast. What are you about to engage in? Probably should start by reviewing the link and learning something.

That qat you're chewing is some good shit huh?

Good retort, sport.

So to 9/11 families, anything else that shows a plane going into the towers is offensive, but this is not?

Don't these people who claim Islam is a dangerous religion realize that having muslims worship and gather in a big new building would make it was easier to keep tabs on them? Wouldn't a big new building attract the more modern/moderate muslims and tend to shun the wackos? Let's not drive decent muslims underground where they would be more susceptible to radical indoctrination.

God, I wish people would stop believing in God.

I don't support such hateful ad like this one. But I wanna ask a fair question. Would a muslim state allow a church on such a site with the same circumstance? My answer is NO. Its unacceptable for people to wanna be tolerated but they themselves a not tolerant. Such hypocrisy is disgusting.

Why even say "Would Country A allow this scenario?" Who cares? This is where we live. Here.

Two things:

1. Except that Muslims are not one giant collective with a unity of beliefs.

2. What happens in other countries is irrelevant to what happens here. We guarantee freedom of religion regardless of what other countries are willing to tolerate.

would you rather "Islamic state" then? The real question is Why on that site? to remind us what happened?

would you rather "Islamic state" then?

Oh, for fuck's sake, nevermind.

lol!

imo the people funding these hate ads, don't even care about the mosque itself.

its an election year and this is a 'manufactured' election issue. most people are idiots. scare em, get em angry, get em to think about 'security' and position your party to be there for them.

The Geller lady is so far out there its insane. she called for mecca to be nuked, for pakistan to be wiped off the map, she says obama is the son of malcolm x, she says the nazis were inspired by islam, and on and on...yet there she is on network tv, on fox, in the daily news, the post, buying bus ads, as if she is some sort of concerned citizen.

some should take her to task.

It happened on RT. Russian Television in English, the interviewer exposes her for duplicity and hate mongering.

its worth watching.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/08/the-alyona-show-takes-pamela-geller-to-task/

Geller is a crank and a bigot, but she is right that the reporter is scarred to show the picture of Mohammed. That whole deal is complete BS. Muslims who get homicidal over a picture really don't belong in civilized society. If you can't take some ridicule of your religion then maybe it shows how weak a foundation your religion is based on. Goes for all of them, not just Islam.

how many times do you have to show Mohammed drawings and there not be a reaction before you'll accept Muslims into 'civilized'?

Geller has been doing it for a while now. she has bus ads, tv ads, web sites, all with the purpose of mocking islam...nothings happened to her, can we call off the campaign and say islam is now civilized or does it just go on UNTIL you get a reaction?

as for us being the civilized ones...well, I suggest you take the red pill and see the world for what it is, not the fantasy thats you been told it is. start with reading this blogs for a few weeks...god speed

http://mondoweiss.net/

I think if you actually read what I wrote you would notice that I didn't say all muslims don't belong in civilized society just the ones that murder cartoonist, proclaim fatwas against authors and make it necessary to post police in front of South Park studios.

You would also note that I threw in all religions. Same goes for Catholic asshats who yank funding from museums due to elephant dung.

Anyone who gets homicidal over a cartoon needs to grow up.

yeah I get you.

the drawing of mohammed as a pig is meant for the BAD muslims not the good muslims. right.

but answer my question, when does it become hate speech?

If Chris Ofili organized an annual international 'put dung on the virgin mary day'...nobody would say 'its an art piece about showing how intolerant the xhristians are'

no,

you'd say wow Chris is on some sort of hate crusade trying to rile up a bunch of people...what a d*ck.

Intent matters.

Gellers intent is to insult people, to provoke a reaction. Just like opening a gay bar next to a mosque to spite muslims is different than opening a gay bar cause you like you gay sex.

I dont think this is very complicated. If you cant understand it...oh well.

Chris Ofili never put dung on the Virgin Mary! Have you even seen the painting? It was a woman! The dung formed one of her breasts and he used elephant dung in a LOT of his work. Why do people say things exactly the WRONG way to make controversy? "Dung on the Virgin Mary, Ground Zero Mosque" - that's NOT what it is.

you're right. I did see it when it was in bklyn a long time ago. I liked it.

in any case my point was the intention in his work 'something about the erotism of mary icons' is different than people endlessly drawing mohammed to piss of muslims.

at some point, which IMO we've already passed, its just become a d*ck thing to do.

Its amazing that the illusionary core of this opposition is to honor 9/11 victims, but the same people do not care that politicians voted down a first responders health care act.

Remember only be outraged by what the right wing media tells you to be upset about.

Wait, why would we care about the people impacted by 9-11? Remember, this is AMERICA'S tragedy, now. The actual 9-11 is not nearly as interesting as the Muslims-as-Godzilla narrative that the bigots have created.

And where will this $10,000 a day money go towards the MTA?

Do you think these ad makers should have curbed their right of free speech out of sensitivity or respect?!?!?

That's ridiculous!

That would be like NOT building a mosque where you have the right to, out of sensitivity or respect!!!

Everyone has their rights, and they should be fought for.

These rights can be used tastefully,

or without taste... like this ad, or building this mosque.

Its amusing how fearful her followers are of 1% of the US population.

But you gotta wonder, what her true agenda is. What is her end game?

Probably just as simple as $$$$

The bad news is that with freedom of speech comes the inevitable stupid, like this ad on public transit. (If it were privately-owned they could've said no without threat of a lawsuit, probably.)

The good news is that with freedom of religion, a "mosque" can be built 2 blocks from ground zero and there's nothing the people running stupid, inflammatory ads can do about it.

this is utterly reprehensible.

That jeweled "mega mosque" looks pretty great, actually-- better than a big gaping hole in the ground. That WOULD look really nice at Ground Zero; good looking out, Pam.

American Freedom Defense Initiative??????

is that some new militia group?

If you build it they will come. LOL

Thy hypocrisy of the anti-Muslim people is rank. Disturbing ads about 9/11 are fine to these bigots, but religious worship is not? "Yeah, the Bill of Rights is important for our stuff but not for them."

Besides being a douchebag, add hypocrite to the list.

From her website:

SIOA is a human rights organization dedicated to freedom of speech, religious liberty, and individual rights; no special rights for special classes.

And, of course, it repeats the debunked idea that the place is to open Sept. 11, 2011. Idiots.

hi there, could you help me out with a link to an article debunking that date? i can't find one and i'd really like to send it to some people. thanks.

I live to give: However, Daisy Khan, executive director of one of the organizations leading the project, told Media Matters that the allegation is "absolutely false" and that "the timeline has yet to be determined."

Why there? Because it's a free damned country, that's why there. The same constitution that allows you to run religiously offensive ads on buses allows someone to build a mosque or whatever wherever they choose.

Piss of Pamela.

Intolerant douchebag.

Why is the MTA and the city so hellbent on issuing statements on how they don't "endorse" these ads, but will hold press conferences about how New York should welcome "diversity" when defending a mosque near Ground Zero?

Yeah, the Mosque supporters won and people should let them build the damn thing; but if people want to continue fighting against it by buying ad space, why are tagged as "right wing" etc.? I don't get the zealous defense of Islam by preaching "acceptance" while at the same time bitching about those who'll speak out against it as if they should have no right to.

Enough with your lame justifications. You and I both know it's not about the center at all. It's not about the location either, as others have pointed out there are other muslim-themed sites also within a small radius.

So really. What is it about. They're different than you. That's it. Frankly, I think it's quite hypocritical for a gay man to be bigoted, but hey - this is America, what can I say?

"Speaking against it"? You mean spreading more hate and ignorance? No, I can't possibly fathom why normal people would be against letting you and other dimwits 'speak out against it'.

Last time I checked, while annoying, being politically correct and respecting others and their differences is still considered polite. Maybe not in your world.

This is no Dr. Zizmor ad!! It needs a double rainbow, I think.

Keep in mind that Muslim rainbows aren't like Christian ones. They're a thin black veil that wraps around the horizon, suffocating the female leprechauns at both ends. But they're still quite beautiful.

Don't forget the pot of black gold.

what.the.fuck.ever~!

Republicans, can you please continue to address issues of ACTUAL importance, so we can remind Democrats of ACTUAL issues facing our country, and I won't completely regret voting for one of you for the first time in my life? kthanks.

Woah, wait, Republicans talking about real issues? During an election year? When pig's fly, man. You know the drill: whip up the populace with baseless fears and non-issue long enough to get them to vote for you and not notice that they've been duped.

@dimadelux: Can anyone say 1st Ammendment? Get used to it.

first amendment doesnt apply to offensive material.

"first amendment doesnt apply to offensive material."

Wow. Seriously? That's the entire point of the First Amendment, to protect against all speech, no matter how objectionable something may be to a certain group.

+1

Exactly. The rights enshrined by the U.S. constitution and subsequent Supreme Court rulings apply generally towards offensive speech. Otherwise the only thing we'd be permitted to discuss is the cuteness of kittens.

Apparently it's not offensive if it pushes the right wing agenda.

ides of march? you did it?

Should have let the kooks file a lawsuit, they would have lost. Ads that preach any other type of religious or racial intolerance are banned, why not this one? It`s also false advertising, the mosque isn`t not being built at the WTC site. One more disturbing step in the land of the ignorant.

It's not even a mosque, it's a fucking Islamic center. It's just a fucking YMCA for Muslims.

And not only that but anyone is welcome to use it, not just Muslims!

They bought the ad space, so what's the big deal?

Just don't add any bikinis to the ad...

I disagree. If anything, a Georgi ass shot would give some substance to the ad.

Man I hate those Georgi ads.

but remember the mta wont run the Georgi ads in Hasidic areas, cause that would be 'offensive'.

http://gothamist.com/2010/06/30/georgi_vodka.php