Is Queens Chinese Restaurant Serving Dog Meat?

At least there weren't bedbugs in her dish . . .

You people are all wrong. Chinese restaurants - with the exception of really high end places that do luxury food - use frozen pre-packaged ingredients that are then defrosted before used. All the sauces come in the form of Ramen Noodle style powders loaded with Corn Starch that are then mixed with water and thrown into a Wok and reduced. Chinese restaurants have three problems that must be overcome just to survive month to month and usually: be able to predict costs, speed of preparation and finally spoilage. By buying almost all pre-made frozen goods they overcome these problems, and thats why chinese food from these joints is all the same and is always consistent. Think of this as the Chinese version of McDonalds, this is no different in terms of economics. Ever gone into one of those NYC type joints where you can all the way to the back, there isn't enough space in the back to actually set up a station to butcher and prep meats. I once saw a pile of chicken in the back, and it makes sense that the only fresh meat is frozen whole chickens that are defrosted and then used for the whole fried chickens, like legs, wings etc...I also recognized that General Tso's chicken reminded me of chicken nuggets when I saw them being used in the Chinese joints that I go to when I peered back into the kitchen. You people realize that only the most high end places could have the actually facilities and budgets to handle Pigeon and Dog? Pigeon is a very high luxury item in North Africa, Italy, French and the Middle east so only the top Mediterranian restaurants could handle such a gamey item. In Asia Dog is considered a medicinal food and a "rare item" meat. It is usually used as food in the mainstream because it is a byproduct of the fur trade. The Dog you see in those photos is usually the byproduct of the Fur trade. That fur usually goes into American clothing products for greedy Americans. Cat is also a food that is impossible to serve, especially fried because it would be so tough it would be like rubberized meat being so gamey and low in fat. Cat is also partially toxic meat so its dangerous to eat, the lay person can tell toxicity of meat by the smell of an animals shit, and cat is the worst indicating high levels of it. Wild cat meat from alley ways is also loaded with worms and parasites, so even a really wacky person would be revolted. For poor Chinese immigrants with a small corner shop, using such exotic meats is economically impossible and impractical...

Get real people, this is just a racist diatribe against a hard working group that has contributed alot to America, shame on you...

use frozen pre-packaged ingredients that are then defrosted before used. All the sauces come in the form of Ramen Noodle style powders loaded with Corn Starch that are then mixed with water and thrown into a Wok and reduced.

1. Who brings in live chicken, pigs, ducks, goose, and cows and butcher them on the spot? Of course they are all delivered frozen.

2. Do you think people use bags of frozen vegetables which cost a heck of a lot more than buying raw vegetables that you can clean and cut yourself?

3. I've never been in a kitchen where people didn't make their own sauces. And we're talking $7/dish places. Maybe this is what they do in China, I don't know. But I seriously doubt you are talking about most Chinese restaurants in America.

Here here. Now take your xenophobic hand-wringing somewhere else. This is just stupid.

In other breaking news, Gothamist turns to a bunch of BS fringe websites to back up otherwise thin reporting and perpetuate some tired stereotypes about asian food.

There's plenty of gnarly cheap meat for the taking, especially in NYC, restaurants do not need to substitute dog meat to save a buck. You think they're slaughtering dogs and disposing of the offal in the basement of New Garden? Not even remotely worth the effort. Maybe there's a secret slaughterhouse somewhere in flushing meadows! Not. Likely.

A little skepticism goes a long way, folks.

More likely? Ms Holliday got a bright idea for quick and easy lawsuit.

PS. LB ... if you think the same shit doesn't go on at Applebees, you're a sucker.

And here all this time I thought they were serving just cat for lunch ! Well I'm glad I stop eating Chinese food over twelve years ago . Word to the wise , Don't go too a Chinese Restaurant and make fun of them . They will Spit, Piss, shave off dead skin from their feet, clipped toenails, etc. and cook it into your order . I know this because a friend of mine got sick and found out all of the above was in her takeout . (Lmao) She sued them, and the city for millions . Wish I had some of that money now .

Oh please. This whole story is suspect.

Firstly, there's no way dog meat could be substituted for fish meat. Dog meat is more similar to beef, than anything. If you can't tell the difference, you're an idiot.

Secondly, pigeon meat is dark and tough, not fine and white. Squab is delicious. People usually pay a premium for it.

Thirdly, there's actually not enough meat on a cat to make it worth the effort of using for food. Cats are used far less often in Asia as food for that reason. There's no reason it would be used in America, when there is cheap and plentiful chicken meat.

I grew up around people who worked in the Chinese restaurant industry, in various Chinese restaurants all around America, Canada, and Britain. And NONE of them have used any of these meats.

Normally, I like a plump animal. I think it's cute. But the one in that picture's just plain severely obese and it sickens me.

This reminds me of a time I went into a Chinese take-out place in Astoria with my girlfriend. We stepped up to the counter to order and all of a sudden heard plaintive meows coming from behind a partition. We looked at each other with wide eyes wondering WTF. Then the girl who was about to take our order reaches behind the partition and picks up her cell phone. When she opens it to answer, the meowing stops; it was her ringtone.

If there's two things Chinese people like, it's eating our four-legged family members and having cute ringtones!

When are these restaurants going to start serving Felix meat?

Is Queens Chinese Restaurant Serving Dog Meat?

What's the big deal? I went to Ahn-yang, South Korea last year n dog meat is fucking delicious!

Do you really think a woman named Renita Holiday from Far Rockaway would be ordering fish and brown rice ? The restaurant probably refused to giver her a sixth packet of plum sauce for her sweet and sour pork.

everybody is missing the point: that big fat dog is awesome! i want to give him a hug!

Citation, or it didn't happen. Cite specific instances detailing city street pigeon meat found in Chinese takeout friend rice where the buyer didn't know it was happening.

Chicken is ridiculously cheap; it makes no economic sense to capture street pigeons for use in takeout fried rice. Rock doves, weigh 10-16 ounces, with maybe a dressed weight of 4 ounces. (Context: chickens are up to 8 pounds, with a dressed weight of 4 or 4.5 pounds.)

Rock doves caught furtively on the street would need to be converted to boneless by the buyers, not the sellers. They'd sell whole birds, or at best, quartered. Chicken quarter prices are in the 79 to 99 cent/pound range. For it to be competitive, they'd have to be able to catch 4 pigeons, spend (if they're good) about 20 minutes killing, defeathering and dressing them, and charge less than 79 cents, plus the cost of labor at the restaurant for stripping the meat off the bones. If they're sold whole, for use in chicken fried rice, the floor would be even cheaper because it's a lot of work for a typical small takeout place to defeather and debone.

But it's not just 'less than 79 cents'. Takeout places know that the typical customer buying chicken fried rice expects chicken in that rice. The risk of it getting out and officials closing their business and maybe deporting half the workers must be factored into the discount as well. It makes no sense to lie to people about it, no matter the price. No, what's more likely is that there are people who like rock dove or squab(a different kind of pigeon), and specifically order it. Maybe, just maybe, there's a restaurant or 10 out there buying serving rock dove to these people. Squab is expensive - maybe at best $4/pound wholesale and semi-boneless, so that has different economies of scale than chicken. I'll entertain the possibility there's one or two lying to their asian pigeon eating customers and selling them street-caught rock doves instead of farmed rock doves. Probably not though.

It's a similar realm as dog meat. Buying dog dishes outside of the rural areas of China and Korea is pretty expensive by local prices. It's a poor man's food, but outside the poor man's world, it's pricier to duplicate. People are paying a premium for it There's all risk and no money in pretending dog meat is anything other than dog meat, because cheap beef is cheaper than cheap dog meat.

I've lived in some of these queens neighborhoods you're not mentioning by name, and I think you're full of chickenshit. I think you get off on the idea of scaring people about meat, because you're a child and a zealot and you think truth and integrity are acceptable casualties in the pursuit of a no-meat agenda.

scaring people off meat when there is a KFC and McDonald in every corner???? Pigeons are free and the labor is cheap since most of them are illegals. There was several investigations and they admitted to buying pigeons. They couldn't denied it since it was seen and reported but they claimed it was for their own use and not for sell. But several people noted the meat was too tender for it to be chicken and they are right about that. over 98% of chickens are battery caged chickens who don't graze at all. This is why they shredded the meat so it would be harder to recognize.

Yeah, you said all that already. It doesn't get more convincing with each repetition. Citation, or it didn't happen.

BTW, pigeon meat is very different than chicken. It's one of the reasons why people like chicken. Pigeon is dark, and fairly tough unless it's from a young bird that's never flown before.

"So please state some facts or just STFU." Just as a suggestion; I wouldn't run back to your little elitist self-centered circle for them.

These stories are true. Many people have seen them buy live pigeons early in the morning and after many complaints there was an investigation. However the people claim it was for their own consumption and not for sale.

Dog meat tastes work?.

The owner must be from the China mainland where they serve dog meat. Jumbo rats and cats are also considered edible, I saw the critters myself in cages in the back of the restaurant all ready to be chopped & fried up

lol now you got credible eye witnesses LOL.

LOL I was in China pal, a lot of folks over there think dog meat gives you energy. Ditto for Korea.

someone claims pigeon meat is fine and white but chicken meat is not? huH???

This entire thread is utter bullshit. JDS just doesn't give a shit about checking facts anymore. Never forget that these people aren't journalists.

Felix the cat is certifiably insane so there's your answer.

And in several Queens neighborhoods which I do have friends noted that cats are scarce. Ladies who feed feral cats noted many were disappearing and many of them are sure that it is the restaurants but don't have any direct proof.

Instead of your juvenile insults, why don't you actually post something meaningful. ask any poultry worker. PIgeon meat is very tender meat. They have very little fat. Chicken meat isn't as tender as pigeon meat. Many people would buy the fried rice and chicken and felt the texture was too thin. Of course the pigeon is free range unlike the chicken as well. the caged chicken has no muscle since he don't graze.

So please state some facts or just STFU. I hate people who live in ivory towers and dismiss facts. WAlk the streets and talk to all people instead of your little elitist self-centered circle.

There's nothing wrong with serving the American public fresh dog meat - as long as it's tasty and no one finds out about it...

Do felines have canine teeth?

True story - I worked in Mt.Olive, NJ about 15 years ago. A couple owning local Chinese spot was arrested by state troopers for collecting deer carcasses from sides of Rt.80. Fresh meat, since stupid deer were (and still are) killed by cars & trucks on hourly bases. Not having it checked for worms & parasites, like regular meat was really spooky. Nor anyone knew how it was gutted & dressed.

I knew a cop working on the Peddlers Task Force. His men were busting illegal peddlers on Mott St. Soon, cats' head were being thrown at them from the roofs.

Question: where did they get the cat heads from so quickly, and where were the cats' bodies?

love these fake stories about true story lol. more racist fake crap made up on the spot yeah i know a guy who knows a guy etc... who seen this etc..

I knew a guy once, armchair warrior, and, boy, was he an asshole.

i find it funny jen the white meat lover would let spread anti asian stuff on this blog. but being a self hating person. it makes sense.

excuse me but it isn't racist. how lame to play the race card again. in Queens they do serve and eat Octopus alive. In Korea, they do eat dogs. And people have seen them buy pigeons in the mornings. I guess living in that high tower of yours, you don't know what the real deal is.

http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/dog.html

And the fat americans are just as bad with their farm factories and what they do to cows and pigs. so now I am anti-american?

asian can be americans too lol, doesn't make you anti ameican just a lousy racist trying to excuse yourself. which is pretty lame trying to distance yourself from the hatin.

no need to make excuses. You are playing the card to divert from the wrong doings. Al Sharpton is calling .

love how the idiot claims they aren't doing this for money and for principle only lol. yet sues for 25k.

“I am not doing this for the money, but for the principle. I am not lying about this. I don’t go around filing law suits to get money. I just want the truth to come out,” she says.

if it was for principle wouldn't it be a much smaller amount? lol

or no money at all. lawsuits are a request for money, they are a demand upon someone, and may or may not involve damages.

she's just a bitch. a greedy, selfish bitch.

sorry- lawsuits are NOT a request for money*

yes, asshole, they eat dogs in KOREA....so go there and spread your message of hope and get the hell off this blog.

This explains why my doggie bag from last night keeps rolling over and fetches napkins.

felix is a known asian hater aka racist.

eh, i knew a girl whose last name is tuilin, and she was american born filipino from queens -- felix is south-east asian himself.

yep, he's definitely phillipine. for the life of me i couldnt figure out why he couldnt understand spanish despite claiming to be a 'fiery latino' one time.

if you remember history, spain colonized the phillipines for 300+ years, converted them to catholics and gave them spanish last names, which explains his spanish-sounding last name and his devout catholic-ness (a rare thing in asia).

today must be another felix roasting day -- is it done yet? although i usually prefer my meat medium-rare, i'd rather prefer this one well-done.

chicken is cheap but pigeons are basically free. No cost at all.

it depends on the town, and in southeast asia there are whole towns famous for their dog meat.

I am vegan so i answer to your question is NO. but many restaurants sell those pigeons as chicken and I hear many people tell me that it isn't chicken because it is so fine and white. They have seen them buy pigeons but when it was reported, the restaurant stated the pigeons were for their own use and not for sell.

Dude admit it you are LYING. The rumours of selling pigeon for chicken is an urban myth. It's harder to catch NYC pigeons than it is to just buy a chicken. Chicken is goverment subsidized and it is pretty much the least expensive meat out there.

Have you ever eaten pigeon? I have, it sure as hell isn't white and fine. Pigeon meat is tough, brown and gamey.

It needs serious, high pressure cooking in order to make it less of a chore to eat, and it's still no where near the soft texture of chicken. Oh and yes it is tasty btw.

Stick to talking about tofu-dogs and Un-chicken if you need to spew your opinion, fool.

If she can't tell the texture difference between fish and dog then she's an idiot. No one would substitute fish with dog. Probably another bitchy dissatisfied patron who didn't get her way during her dining experience. I hope she gets stuck with the bill for starting a the inquiry.

Isn't a bit hypocritical to ban the sale of dog meat? I've never understood this mental spectrum of morality based on cuteness or friendliness of the animal people have when it comes to eating meat. I think if you're willing to make the moral decision that it is ok to kill and eat a cow, or chicken, that rationale should extend to all animals no? Most people see guinea pigs and rabbits as cute pets in the U.S., but in other parts of the world, they're food. I know its legal to serve rabbit in New York, probably guinea pig too. Why shouldn't the same rationale extend to dogs and cats?

Btw, I mean this as a purely philosophical question. I'm a meat eater, but I probably couldn't bring myself to eat dog, BUT I also don't think I have a right to say other people who aren't disturbed by the prospect shouldn't be allowed. I also grew up with rabbits as pets and generally don't eat it, but you also don't see me picketing my local tapas joint demanding they stop serving conejo.

I think you answered your own question. It's an issue of culture and their feeling towards a particular species. In the US, our feelings toward the domesticated canine are as companions rather than working animals or food, thus we have a much more intimate relationship with them. In other countries, this is not the case.

Oh great.

Why the hell is Holiday suing?, she isn't the one that was killed and eaten.

So the suspicion is that they're using entire dogs, including the heads?

I've never found a cow's tooth in beef.

actually you find the grated teeth in sausages which includes the cow's tongue and head.

you seem to have the answer to EVERYTHING dont yuo

Exactly. I call bullshit. It's also suspicious that the claim is yet another version of a well-worn and greatly overblown ethnic stereotype.

I am sure Koren town on 34th street serves dog. LalaLand aka 3 can confirmed it.

koren town? never heard of it.

i've never eaten a god... ur, dog, and don't ever plan to, but if it makes you happy i'll eat them live just for you. ;)

http://www.all-creatures.org/anex/dog.html

Here is the market

those pictures are all foreign-related and dont relate to jack shit here.

if you have an issue with animal treatment in hungary, china, or the PHILLIPINES, then shove your down agenda down throats over there.

so that must be the koren town that i've never seen of on 34th st. huh.

never thought i'd ever be working to kill/prepare dogs for food -- the very thought of it dreads me -- but if it makes you happy, i'd ditch my job and work for them instead. for free! ;)

3, you're a dumbshit or no New Yorker, Korea Town or K-Town is 31st-36th streets between 5th & 6th. Don't be a dope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreatown,_Manhattan

Now now children, theres no reason you both can't be misinformed loudmouths.

sick people and it is true. In my of these restaurants,they sell chicken when it is pigeons. People have seen them buy pigeons and they claim it was for their own use and not for sell. However, most of the people stated that chicken isn't as white and it was pigeons. Just another reason to go veg. Zen Palate is awesome. Just went there for lunch.

Keep that veggie bullshit to yourself ! We ain't feelin you ! Simpleton's reasoning -> " We are not interested in reading about your Fanatical,Obtuse views with regards to the populous indulgence of meat, & meat byproducts . Fuck You !

Thank you Felix for you've, as Gothamist's self-appointed spokesman against "these restaurants" and the meat industry, opened our eyes to the their outrageous and previously secretive practices.

An vocal vegan spreading his opinions about meat—who would've thought.

Don't health inspections include things like checking meat grade and stuff like that? I can't help but think that if that is part of it, they should catch this sort of thing and if it's not a part of it, it should be.

Health inspections check if things are properly refrigerated and if the premise is clear. I don't think they check the grade of meat since that is under USDA. But they buy the pigeons in the early morning and then sell it as fried rice and chicken. Since the pigeon is so shredded that people think it is chicken. But some people told me that they know what chicken taste and the texture is too fine and white. Anyhow, people should eat neither. The chicken is debeaked so he can't eat without pain and is shot with hormones to grow bigger.

So, let me get this straight: what you're trying to say is "keep fuckin' that pigeon" or "keep fuckin' that dog"?

Also, I've never eaten either of them (as far as I know) and it's safe to say I won't. You win this one, Felix.

yeah for the dogs and pigeons!!!! I hope you consider not eating chickens and other animals as well.

It's strange that you're so against this whole thing as every aspect of your comment's construction gives me the sneaking suspicion that you actually work in the kitchen of a Chinese restaurant in Queens.

smilez4milez, amazing comment. i seriously just laughed out loud at work. love it.

i meant to type many not my.

the lady asked for moo goo gai pan without knowing what it was???

I mean, its a waste to just throw away the meat after using the fur for Sean John jackets...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16329355/

Welp..there go my plans for Chinese food this weekend.

I once found a mouse in my bottle of Elsinore beer!

(I call shenanigans on this lady)

A canine tooth or a canine's tooth? Or a canine's canine tooth?