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Gingrich, Paladino, Palin Love To Hate Ground Zero Mosque

072210newt.jpg Guess which one of these quotes is Newt Gingrich! A: "There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia." Or B: "Religious liberty in America is under assault. The secular socialist left—who hates the idea of an authority higher than the government—has used its domination of academia, the courts, and the media to twist the meaning of the first amendment from a right that protects religious liberty to prohibition on religious expression in the public square."

Trick question; they're both by Gingrich, who's just the latest Republican to pour kerosene on the Islamophobic mosque bonfire. Yesterday Gingrich weighed in on his website, concluding, "America is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive designed to undermine and destroy our civilization. Sadly, too many of our elites are the willing apologists for those who would destroy them if they could. No mosque. No self deception. No surrender. The time to take a stand is now—at this site on this issue."

Gingrich says he's also outraged because, "We have not been able to rebuild the World Trade Center in nine years. Now we are being told a 13 story, $100 million megamosque will be built within a year overlooking the site of the most devastating surprise attack in American history." Gah, why are WE so slow when THEY are so efficient? Well, they did invent algebra, so that probably gives them an edge. Also, for the record, the mosque/community center would be two blocks away from the World Trade Center site and there are two big buildings in between, so to say it's "overlooking" the site is stretching it.

Not to be outdone, Republican gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino is also piling on, and of course everyone's favorite wordsmith Sarah Palin won't shut up either! What do all these demagogues have in common? For one thing, none of them live in NYC. But they own 9/11! So Paladino is vowing that if he gets elected, he'll "use the power of eminent domain to stop this mosque and make the site a war memorial instead of a monument to those who attacked our country."

And here's Palin: "Many Americans, myself included, feel it would be an intolerable and tragic mistake to allow such a project sponsored by such an individual to go forward on such hallowed ground. This is nothing close to 'religious intolerance,' it’s just common decency." (Note: For some reason, her original Facebook note is now...missing back.) As a counterpoint, here's a trenchant takedown from a Daily Dish reader:

I first heard about the mosque project a month or two ago, and the thing that struck me the most about it was the overwhelming support it had from the local community board in Lower Manhattan.

I don't know how familiar you are with how zoning works in New York and the role that community boards play in that process, but let me tell you, to have a community board agree 29-1 on ANY land use issue is quite an accomplishment. Furthermore, why is land use in New York City the business of anyone else but the citizens of New York? If so, I would really like to know Sarah Palin's opinion of the Atlantic Yards (or Hudson Yards or the expansion of Columbia University) project, an issue that is 1,000,000x more controversial than this project. That's all this is: a land use issue.

Following her logic (no small feat, I might add), do I now have the right to protest the construction of a new office building in Anchorage because it may house the offices of Big Oil and insult the people who suffered from the BP oil spill? Or can I have a say the next time some city in the "heartland" decides to build more sprawl at the expense of more livable communities with mixed-use development, walkable streets, and public transportation? I think I should, because it really "stabs me in the heart" when places do that.

This is a local issue, plain and simple. The people of New York - the ones actually attacked on 9/11 and who had to live through the aftermath - are the only ones who are affected by this. It is no one else's business. Sarah Palin and the "heartland" do not have permanent veto power over what gets built in Lower Manhattan. If they want a say over what happens there, my advice would be to move to New York. They might even learn something about the values of living in a multi-ethnic, multicultural community. Short of that, please STFU.

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  • m015094

    I guess freedom of religion doesn't apply if you're Muslim and live in NYC. I'm an atheist, but I don't really care if other people decide to be morons and believe in fairy tales.

  • dustyrebel

    And by the way, we give victory to jihadists when we shred our Constitution (freedom of religion) and begin to act as vile as they do.

  • fed_up

    On this we agree. But we don't need to add further fuel.

  • fed_up

    I should clarify so you don't become offended. I agree that we give them victory by shredding the Constitution.

  • dustyrebel

    You comparisons are convoluted and your original opinion (building of a community center by very moderate Muslims is a victory for jihadists) is based on bigotry and shows you have no idea what the Cordoba Center will be. You are absolutely free to have those opinions, but again, the building of a community center is a local issue.

  • fed_up

    Never said otherwise. You say my comparisons are convoluted. How so? Do they not show that historical sites that are located in one city are beloved and respected and treasured by many?

    And again, it was a different perspective. So unless you know me, you cannot say that my perspective is based on bigotry. For all you know, I am a Muslim. Did I insult Islam or this branch of the faith? Or did I rightfully call the terrorists that perpetrated this act by what they claim to be (jihadists of the Muslim faith)? Where in my original opinion did I state unequivocally that they should not build in that location?

  • dustyrebel

    Your words:

    "We were attacked by Jihadists of the Muslim faith, to build a mosque in such close proximity is to allow the jihadists to see it as a memorial to a victory over the United States. We all know that this was not a victory for them, but why give them that much?"

  • fed_up

    Is that stating UNEQUIVOCALLY that New York City cannot allow them to build there? Did I say "If they do, I'm going to sue", or some other trite response? Or is it just a perspective on the situation?

  • fed_up

    From the article "The people of New York - the ones actually attacked on 9/11 and who had to live through the aftermath - are the only ones who are affected by this."

    I had to respond to this. The attack was not directed at New York, it was directed at the United States as a whole. The twin towers, the Pentagon and the Pennsylvania plane were merely tools to strike a blow at the United States, to demoralize and frighten. If there plans had not worked out then there is a good possibility they would have struck anywhere. New York is not the only site of significance in the United States.

    And to all of the New Yorkers that say that everyone else in the country should STFU, what about the families of the victims who live throughout the U.S., are you saying that they have no right to express their opinions? After all, aren't they as deeply affected as some of the New Yorkers?

    Many (I am not saying all) of the victim's families and survivors, will look at this as a slap in the face. We were attacked by Jihadists of the Muslim faith, to build a mosque in such close proximity is to allow the jihadists to see it as a memorial to a victory over the United States. We all know that this was not a victory for them, but why give them that much?

  • dustyrebel

    It could have happened anywhere. I guess it could have been Wasilla, BUT IT WASN'T. And while in general, it was an attack on all America, it was the people of NY who actually had it happen to them. I know you all really, really, really want to own it, but the ash rained down on us. It was our buildings that were destroyed and our lives that were displaced and traumatized. It was our friends and families that were lost in those towers, and our friends and families that spent month after month looking for survivors and removing the massive pile of rubble. While the country watched it on tv, NYers watched it from the streets or from their windows.

    Regardless of all that, this is a local neighborhood issue. We have the right to decide our own local issue, outsiders don't. End of story.

    So, yes. STFU!

  • fed_up

    And absolutely no one from any other place came to help? And only people in New York lost friends and family? And no one other than folks in Philadelphia own the Liberty Bell, and no one other than people in Pearl Harbor own the those memories? And remember the Alamo? Really?

    Try to remember that people from all over the country came to help with the rescue and clean up including our National Guard from our states. So don't sit there and belittle the opinions of everyone else whether they were directly affected (someone who lived there) or indirectly but profoundly affected (death of a loved one or someone who helped).

    And really what are the odds that every single able bodied person in New York helped with the clean up? How much support came from outside New York? 30%, 50%? Do you know?

    You can sit there and be offended about someone from "outside" your community trying to butt in to NY business, but odds are good that you feel the need to weigh in on happenings elsewhere. I wonder, if I were to do a search for your username, what would I find in regards to comments and replies to business and happenings in places other than New York?

    Do you have opinions on the oil spill? That doesn't directly affect you, only indirectly. So why should you have any say in anything regarding that? Keep your double standard and hypocritical opinions to yourself please. And please note, that I did not state that New York should not make that decision, but rather pointed out another opinion.

    For a city that is as known for its liberalism and pushes more for equal rights, you sure are getting pissy about people exercising those rights.

  • ErnestPayne

    Well the "christian" nation of amurica started the Vietnam War and killed 500,000 Vietnamese (amongst other terror attacks). Have any of those nations banned the building of christian church's?

  • the numbers I always hear say millions died in Vietnam. up to 3 million dead. unimaginable really.

    every so often you'll see stories about how the chemical we used to destroy jungles, agent orange is still causing people to be born with ridiculous tumors and deformties. the photos are pretty horrible.

    The muslims must have already inflitrated our country even back then. Theres no way a Judeo/Christian democracy would do something like that. muslims would...they're barbarians! but us, we're civilied.

    (cough) (cough)

  • wingedearth

    As a compromise to all parties involved, they should instead build a Scientology Center at Ground Zero.

  • Mr. Know-It-All

    Nooooo! Don't you know that L. Ron Hubbard is conspiring (from the beyond) with space aliens to conquer the USA?

  • robingee

    Hallowed ground? What an idiot. Now it's sacred space that can never be built on? Also, the community center IS NOT ON GROUND ZERO. It's merely NEAR it.

    Go away, Mrs. Palin.

  • thefacts

    "It's to glorify the Islamic conquest of Spain."

    Wrong! The director has already publicly stated that Cordoba was a city in which Christians and Muslims lived together.

    That is why it was chosen, not your opinion.

    I suppose the Islamists, who we all know control the UN, are to be blamed for placing Cordoba as a World Heritage site.

    Are you aware there are no mosques or synagogues or Protestant chapels in Vatican City? Let's have no more RC churches in the US until that gross injustice is corrected.

  • ides_of_march

    Have any of you liberal dumb asses even bothered to wonder why this mosque is being called Cordoba House?

    It's to glorify the Islamic conquest of Spain.

    Islamic conquest, got it?

    It's also supposed to open on 9-11, another poke in the eye.

    BTW: when can somebody open up a Christian cathedral or Jewish synagogue is Saudi Arabia? Muslims are the last people who should be accusing anyone else of religious intolerance.

  • robingee

    "It's to glorify the Islamic conquest of Spain."

    OH NO REALLY?!?!??!

  • robingee

    But what about the commies? Aren't the pinkos still coming to take over? The ruskies??

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