Just What "Ground Zero" Mosque Fight Needs: Sarah Palin

Man, fuck religion.

Religious dogma is responsible for 95% of the evil in this world. The worst atrocities are committed by people who claim they are performing "God's work".

The crusades, the inquisition, the Gaza war, 911, the intifada, the attacks in Mumbai, Oklahoma City, etc.

Religious tolerance means being intolerant of violent dogma.

As a Canadian I find Sarah Palin too funny and cannot understand how anyone in the US takes her seriously.

I think Sarah Palin and and former president Bush should play Scrabble they could write the New English-Republican dictionary.

With words like WMDees and Refudiate, and they could complain how they are Misunderestimated they are by the people. These people ran or want to run the US. Wow!

Too funny.

Want to have some fun go play scrabble with a Republican make sure you bring a dictionary though. They like to cheat ;)

"we could move past islamaphobic ideas "

It's not a "phobia" when islam IS REALLY TRYING TO KILL US.

this is great, I haven't heard a really stupid Palin comment in a month or so..

and Mrs. Palin, there would actually be no better sign of "healing" than the construction of this mosque, as it would signify we could move past islamaphobic ideas and into recognition of islam as an equal religion and life choice- in a country FOUNDED ON FREEDOM OF RELIGION!

If Palin and her tea party want to "get back to the Constitution", they should start with the first ammendment.

"resigned for the benefit of her constituents"?

O, that's utter bull___t and you know it. She bailed when the going got tough and took a bigger paycheck, nothing more. You just go on and support Ex Gov. Quitter.

"And I DEFECATE on you and the rest of the suckjobs on your knees to building this mosque."?

Wow, that hurt my feelings!

So, Interested in a bridge?

The silence from American Muslims is deafening.......and quite telling. Let me summerize the posting here:

Muslims good- Christians bad.

Muslims good- Jews bad.

Mindless sheeple who cannot see the forrest through the trees.

get off it.

there is no war of religions. there is no east vs west war.

this is all about politics.

heaven forbid people thought about whether our countrys policies in the middle east are WRONG....it might get in the way of the next war...with Iran.

Instead 'interest groups' ecourage politicizing an entire religion. Pretty soon 'muslims' hardly seem human to Americans.

Then when the next war comes people will watch the nightime bombing of Tehran and won't feel a pang of pity.

'So what we bombed their cities, killed a bunch of civilians. we're still the good guys...they were crazy muslims!'

carry on, everythings fine...this has gone on for time immemorial. In the first half of my life, dangerous muslims apparently didnt exist, the threat then to our way of life was communists! Millions died while others made fortunes fighting the commies. Now we have new enemy, but its the same old politics.

If you don't see it, you're not paying attention.

get off it.

there is no war of religions. there is no east vs west war.

this is all about politics.

heaven forbid people thought about whether our countrys policies in the middle east are WRONG....it might get in the way of the next war...with Iran.

Instead 'interest groups' encourage politicizing an entire religion. Pretty soon 'muslims' hardly seem human to Americans.

Then when the next war comes people will watch the nighttime bombing of Tehran and won't feel a pang of pity.

'So what we bombed their cities, killed a bunch of civilians. we're still the good guys...they were crazy Muslims!'

carry on, every things fine...this has gone on for time immemorial. In the first half of my life, dangerous Muslims apparently didn’t exist, the threat then to our way of life was communists! Millions died while others made fortunes fighting the commies. Now we have new enemy, but its the same old politics.

If you don't see it, you're not paying attention.

Apparently only Christianity can exist in the US.

"English is a living language. Shakespeare liked to coin new words too."

After this, English no longer lives. It has just crawled into a sewer to die alone and in silence. RIP.

Of course, it's corpse will be found again by Sarah Palin, who will then eulogize it by declaring in yet another tweet, "Alas, pour Eunuch. I new him, Fellatio."

stupidity will be the end of the land of the free.

Haven't you seen what almost a decade of supremacist douchery did to this country!?

To think there are thousands of rabid morons, that prefer any Palin, Chenney Or Bush to an efficient Harvard educated leader.

To think these same are the ones that challenge science and logic in favor of mythology and ignorance!

Hey, those Harvard people are elitist! They read books and drink them fancy queer coffees!

a politician using tweeter? that scares the shit out of me. i don't even have an account. what's the world coming to?

Where've you been? Obama's been using Twitter since before the election. He now has 4.5 million followers on Twitter. Palin, on the other hand, isn't even at 200,000 yet.

omg, i feel sooooo un-american...

look, i can't even spell twitter.

She compares herself to Shakespeare? Puh-leeeeze!

LOL. Seriously.

Palin is so stupid. Too stupid to be a VP, but thanks God we have Slow Joe Biden as second in line to presidency! And Nancy Pelosi close behind. heh

We're not even part of "real America" as far as Sarah Palin is concerned so fuck off with the fake NY sympathy you phony hag

+1

I am sick of right-wingers, who attack NYC daily as a pit of evil left-wng liberalism, and then claim 9/11 as theirs. The funny thing is that the WTC was attacked for many of the same reasons that these crazy right-wingers hate NYC for. People like Sarah Palin are closer ideologically to Al Qaeda than any NYC liberal ever will be.

-1.

I'm sick of spoiled, braindead, Gothamist slackers attacking middle America and "Red States" , places idiots like you have never visited once because you think it's overrun with the KKK, rotfl. People like you are closer ideologically to the violently close-minded Islamic fascists than to the true ideals of America where diversity lies in ideas, debate and discourse, not in skin color.

I've visited both "middle America" and a few of the "Red States." They seem very nice. You're so defensive! I have an objection, though, to a Heartland supremacist like Sarah Palin presuming to tell people in New York how they're supposed to feel about a Lower Manhattan land use development decision. She had a nice view of 9/11 from her Barcalounger. Why are you taking your marching orders from this meddlesome ratbag? Do you have a mind of your own?

Slackers! How retro. Haven't heard that word in ages.

And yes, feel free to assume everyone here is a spoiled slacker since we never leave our oh-so-metropolitan cushy jobs and travel to The Heartland where people REALLY WORK. OF COURSE there are smart people in Middle America and OF COURSE there are tons of dummies in urban areas.

Like, dur-hey.

You mean middle American isn't full of tea bagging tea baggers that moonlight in the KKK? WHO KNEW???

There are less controversial places to build the mosque. If there is a mosque to be built at ground zero it should be led by an Imam reading from a cleansed Koran. Words of violence would be deleted and forbidden to be uttered. The new Koran and mosque will be a factory that converts potential terrorists into peaceful worshipers.

Good idea.

over the weekend a conterversial video was released of the Israeli PM saying among other things that

‘America is a thing you can move very easily’

thats what this whole mosque fear mongering campagain reminds me of.

making americans be afraid of the 1% of the population that is muslim.

making america which is 7K miles from the middle east think of 'those' people as the enemy.

‘America is a thing you can move very easily’

TV commericals, bus ads, DVDs inserted into paper...these aren't spontaneous americans organizing against Islam. This is a concerted effort by letter head orgnizations to propagandize islam=evil....who is behind these groups? Why would they do this? what do they have to gain?

Like the PM said

‘America is a thing you can move very easily’

http://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/america-is-a-thing-you-can-move-very-easily-said-netanyahu.html

What did the Israeli PM say?

He laid out the truth about the faux 'peace process'. Supremely important but it didnt make the news in the US on even one channel. Here's a summary.

“I know what America is,” Netanyahu replied. “America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won’t get in their way.” He then called former president Bill Clinton “radically pro-Palestinian,” and went on to belittle the Oslo peace accords as vulnerable to manipulation. Since the accords state that Israel would be allowed to hang on to pre-defined military zones in the West Bank, Netanyahu told his hosts that he could torpedo the accords by defining vast swaths of land as just that.

“They asked me before the election if I’d honor [the Oslo accords],” Netanyahu said. “I said I would, but … I’m going to interpret the accords in such a way that would allow me to put an end to this galloping forward to the ’67 borders. How did we do it? Nobody said what defined military zones were. Defined military zones are security zones; as far as I’m concerned, the entire Jordan Valley is a defined military zone. Go argue.”

Smiling, Netanyahu then recalled how he forced former U.S. Secretary of State Warren Christopher to agree to let Israel alone determine which parts of the West Bank were to be defined as military zones. “They didn’t want to give me that letter,” Netanyahu said, “so I didn’t give them the Hebron agreement [the agreement giving Hebron back to the Palestinians]. I cut the cabinet meeting short and said, ‘I’m not signing.’ Only when the letter came, during that meeting, to me and to Arafat, did I ratify the Hebron agreement. Why is this important? Because from that moment on, I de facto put an end to the Oslo accords.”

I still don't get it. Did he make some sort of statement?

it was a video that was recorded without him fully knowing it.

He told the people that the Oslo peace process was dead, because he had america agree that he could but military outposts on the land that would be Palestenian land. And ensuring them that since Israel would define where and how big the outposts would be, there never be viable two state solution that the Palestenians would accept.

the video was recorded 10 years ago and shows that despite all the empty talk about a 'peace process' the israeli govt. then and now have no intention of withdrawing to their legal borders. the endless peace process is just buying time.

A lot of people knew this to be true, but to have the PM of Israel saying, while our govt. is still pretending its going to happen is even more proof.

its shame the MSM will pretend Netenyahu didnt say it. No reporter will ask Obama or anyone else about it. The peace plan charade will go on and on while Israel is annexes more land outside their border.

http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/07/the-settlement-freeze-that-never-was-and-never-will-be/

So, was there some sort of comment made by the PM?

maybe thats why it wont be on the news.

I cant summarize it any better. You can read about it on mondoweiss.net

I don't have to read all of this; can you summarize for me please? Did the Israeli PM say something controversial?

yes. he says he has no intention of making peace, that he's only pretending.

So, the PM is proposing a two-state solution? Sweet!

I have an Iraqi-British friend who lives in the UK where they have arabic tv channels. He told me the muslims in the middle east are gloating over this mosque. He said on one show there were people calling in wanting to donate money. Not all muslims want Islam to take over the world, but many do and this is a big score for them. You New Yorkers need to stop this mosque. Many Americans are counting on you.

And remember when there were rumors of Muslims clapping and dancing and cheering after the towers came down, here in America? I heard so many people going. "No, it's true they saw it on TV and were cheering!" Because every Muslim person on the street and in Dunkin Donuts in Passaic New Jersey knew who did it and supported it. Don't believe things people tell you... The Blair Witch isn't real.

They're coming to get you Barbara...

My cousin's friend's uncle was in the US once and told me about this cable network over there called Fox News and...

WTF? Sounds like they're happy their team is finally winning. If I was Muslim that didn't live in a racist, oppressive country I'd also be looking to donate to a rightful cause like this. Building a place of worship in a country that supposedly has freedom of religion.

My cousin's friend's sister's dog goes to this dog park, where there's another dog he plays with, and that dog's owner's sister has another friend whose parents used to own a cat that once ate the mouse of a neighbor whose cousin's daughter had a bunny that was an imam.

haha

Pictures or it didn't happen

Really. So we should act bigoted, sacrifice our ideals, stereotype because of these BS reasons you mention?

Riiiiiiggggghhhhtttt...

Loved the "Many Americans are counting on you" nonsense.

And.......

POOR LEFT WING BABIES WHAT ARE GOING TO DO WHEN SHE BECOMES PRESIDENT OF US?

So you found the W key on your keyboard, congratulations. One would think that you'd know where it was by now. Palin will never be president.

you know, they write just like how they argue,

it always has to be loud and yelling. like typing in all CAPS. it's the who yells the loudest wins election

I'd rather see NYC declared a religion free zone and have all their symbols of stupidity removed. Instead we are getting an influx of the dumbest, most bigoted loons of them all.

POOR LEFTEING BABIES WAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN SHE IS PRESIDENT

Wow! Your spelling is as bad as her grammar! No wonder you're a fan. Moron.

IF ALL VOTTERZ ARE SMART AS U WE DUN HV 2 WURRY CUZ u WONT FIND ur WAY 2 TEH POLES.

Ride a flying pig to the cheesey circle in the sky some people call the moon perhaps?

all this does is help the project. like I said before, no one goes to that block. there's nothing there.

like I said before if I knew then what I know now, I would have walked those couple of blocks south that day.

I love the irony of people being against building this mosque a couple blocks away from what will be called the Freedom Tower.

It is not ironic. Freedom is what the Islam does not allow -- islam literally means submission.

What? Source, you freaking hack.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Islam+means+%22submission%22

Gothamist you are so full of shit it makes my eyes bleed; OK you think the mosque is no big deal and celebrates our diversity. Fine, right after you endorse and promote the right of the cartoonists to display, and have published their commentary.

Stand up and lead the way by making the next post a slideshow of the art, followed by the crime scene photos of the dead artists that were just expressing their brand of free speech.

+1.

keeps a running list of innocent people murdered by radical Islamic fascists around the world.

This very long list is updated daily.

on that site 600 people were killed and they attribute that to islam cause the killers were muslim

there are 15K murders in America every year. Does that mean that radical islam has already infliltrated our culture!? Oh no!

heck, how many people we're killed in the world wars, hundreds of millions? Islam must have had secret cells in the western world even back then. oh my god, I just looked at a history book and now I see all the wars, slavery, oppression, genoicides, its obvious that Islam has been destroying our peaceful culture since before it even existed.

those fiends!

Another moonbat who's limited education has completely failed him.

Here, educate yourself. These numbers are only for Iraq v.2 btw, not v1 (Desert Storm) not Afghanistan. Not Vietnam either for that matter. We've done, and continue to do, far worse.

lol, more epic logic fail.

There is no list of people killed by our military in the name of private industry, because there are too many to count. It's in the tens of millions.

no artists were killed over the Danish cartoons.

Theo Van Gogh who was killed was from the the right wing anti-immigrant movement in the Netherlands. He INCITED the violence which in the end he became a victim of. This is left out of the story in the US when he's made out to be some sort of innoicent marytr

here are two of his choice quotes.

'It’s not my fault that some fellow-citizens hang to the fundamentally uncivilized faith of a little-girl-fucker who roamed the desert in 666.'

'the knives are sharpened and the fifth column of goat fuckers marches ahead relatively unhindered'

http://www.erikweijers.nl/pages/translations/polemic/theo-van-goghs-polemic-prose.php

He certainly was a dick but that's kind of irrelevant. You're basically saying "she was asking for it".

I used to be more sympathic to him, but then I read more about what he said and honestly now I think he was courting a reaction. That to me is very different than saying he deserved it.

a US equivalent might be that crazy church group that protests at peoples funeral. If someone attacked them, they'd be wrong and ought to punished, but just because there they were victims of violence we wouldn't hold then hold that group up as honerably fighting for free speech.

His death gets used as an example by some of the threat of Islam to free speech. I dont see it that way. I see it as the outcome of fanatics arguing with each other.

You play with fire, you're gonna get burned.

Riiiigggghhhtttt... Going out of your way to Insult an entire group's religion is on the same level as this...

Let me guess: Your eyes bleed Bulls__t, right?

Sarah Palin does the Republicans no favors. She's a hack in the Fox News mold with no real ideology, like most of the Republicans who hold or pursue public office today.

Still, New Yorkers who celebrate the opening of a mosque near Ground Zero are like parents who celebrate the opening a Catholic Church near their children's elementary school. The self-congratulating multiculturalism that would turn a blind eye to this sickening juxtaposition earns us no respect, only disgust.

Yes, this group has every right to build a mosque/Islamic center there. But it's insulting and they should know better.

Only insulting to prejudiced racists. Sorry.

And worse than the knee-jerk wolf cries of "racist" are that these smears are often aimed at the families of Sept. 11 victims.

No, Islam is not a race, but the majority of the practitioners of Islam being brown people, being anti Islam is almost always a conjunction of xenophobia, racism and prejudice. Sorry.

They don't teach logic and critical thinking in schools anymore?

I could read your comments and think the same thing.

Listen Geezer, it isn't hard to see: we can tell you don't like them and the only reason you seem to have is that they are different than you. Sounds like a form of prejudice to me. Sorry.

It's funny how you're always apologizing for your blind ignorance. As you should.

What? STFU and delete your account you racist ignorant piece of crap.

Sorry, but your just about as ignorant as the ignorants you are criticizing. Not everyone who is against this is racist. Way to generalize you hypocrite.

Islam is not a race. Sorry.

Palin: Ground Zero mosque an "unnecessary provocation".

Wow! What crazy, unreasonable, right-wing hate speech. This Sarah Palin is good.

The truth will always hurt.

if she was a Muslim she'd know to keep her mouth shut as Allah has made men in charge of women and she should be stricken if disobedient (Surah 4/34)

"thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." Genesis 3:16

Top ten reasons why sharia (Islamic law) is bad for all societies

These are my favorites, they meld so well with modern Western societies that value human rights.

10. Islam commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped.

9. Islam allows husbands to hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives.

5. Islam commands that homosexuals must be executed.

4. Islam orders unmarried fornicators to be whipped and adulterers to be stoned to death.

3. Islam orders death for Muslim and possible death for non-Muslim critics of Muhammad and the Quran and even sharia itself.

2. Islam orders apostates to be killed.

1. Islam commands offensive and aggressive and unjust jihad.

"But... but... but... Islam is a religion of peace!"

whats your point? ever one of those things and even worse are in the bible.

why dont you back it up with facts. start with a history book that shows muslims waging world wars, having military bases around the world, using nuclear weapons.

find me muslim counrty that has a higher crime rate than america.

go on, find me statistical proof of all the trouble these BILLION muslims are causing in the world

"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." quoth Jesus in John 15:6

Same shit, different beard.

The full quote is

(5) I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. (6) If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

So what fruits can humans give birth to? Peaches? Plums? It is an analogy. It isn't literally throwing nonbelievers into a fire.

Unlike the Quran, it isn't normal to literally interpret the Bible. It is the spirit and not the words that count.

+1

quoting the old testament? really? neither a synagogue nor a christian denominated church is being built but a mosque.

"Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it." -Winston Churchill

Winston said lots of things about different people. Were they all true?

http://www.haaretz.com/news/pre-ww2-churchill-article-says-jews-partly-to-blame-for-anti-semitism-1.215251

My quote is from 1899 and taken from a book written by Churchill about the war in Sudan. Think about the change in Western cultures, especially for women, since 1899 through today. Its not perfect, not even close, but women are better of today than they were in 1899 in my opinion. Can you say the same for women in Muslim or Islamic cultures? Maybe not to same degree of course. And that was my original point. Palin gets to be a political leader while still a complete dingbat because of the freedom, education, property ownership and political power of women in western cultures.

I agree that any group that defines their society by set in stone religious rules will have a hard time reforming them to live in the modern world.

we put people on the moon, we communicate on the internet...what do thousand year old religious texts say about our world? not much IMO.

That said, IMO womens role in muslim countries is not as black and white as the west views it.

here's a video from the doha debates about women and islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9CHEhZL0OA

it's a good video.

note that 'Free will' which is something we take for granted as absolute is considered less important than family. This is just a muslim thing but can be found it other non-secular groups. I don't agree with this, but its a good video to see the issue from the muslims perspective.

So if a synagogue or a church was being built you would oppose that too?

Because then I agree with you.

REVOKE RELIGIOUS TAX EXEMPTION! Tax the churches, mosques, synagogues, yeshivas, madrassas, seminaries and any other organization that turns a profit.

You hypocrite. You quote the Koran, yet the same misogynistic crap exists in your Judeo Christian religions. The new testament is full of intolerance and violence too. Your arguments would hold some water if you also were calling for the removal of churches, but you aren't.

Actually I dont think its appropriate for the government to sponsor or authorize any religious symbol to be displayed in the space.

Mainly my issue lies with the feigned tolerance by the CB in allowing a mosque to locate itself in the space. If it was a $100 million Mormon temple, Scientology church or Southern Baptist church (or worse a new NRA HQ or BP HQ) would the CB authorize the permits or would the politics change? I dont know by I am scared of the answer.

Yeah except Judaism and Christianity REFORMED AND GREW OUT of their misogyny and violence.

ISLAM = DEATH from day one and CONTINUES to be the dominant and retrograde force of murder and evil around the world.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

And you useful idiots on the left will be their next victims once they are done with your help.

"Christians are a-holes." - Me.

Quote all you want, Churchill didn't know everything about everything.

Hmm- Let's see. . . A college educated woman- Married only once and with a family- Mother of 5 Children- and now a grandmother. . . was an executive of a municipality- and then, was the Governor of the State of Alaska! Espouse fiscally responsible administrative ideals and- ran for the Vice-Presidency of the United States of America!

So- what's so bad about her. . . other than she sticks in the pusses of Democrats who haven't got anything to of substance to point to regarding the foolish policies of current incompetent and failing administration. . . except to attack her personally on: What? All of the above and- She's good looking in the bargain!