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Mystery: "Hobbit Doors" In Brooklyn

Have you seen the tiny 4-foot high doors on Dennet Place, the one-block stretch in Carroll Gardens? (Hint: If you've seen Spider-Man III you have.) Brooklyn Based takes a stab at unlocking the mystery behind what locals call the "hobbit doors" (though we all know hobbit doors are rounded!), but in the end can only enlighten us about the people who have held their keys. (In the past, Forgotten-NY has also wondered about the short doors.)

Many of the families that are there now have lived there for decades, but can provide no insight into their quirky doors. While no architectural explanation was found, they did discover some of the personal history, and that there were actually retail shops behind the doors at one point. One man even built a plane behind one of them, and was unable to get it out upon completion!

Last year it was noted that "Historically, we know that homes built back in the 1700's typically had smaller interior doors.. but these 2-to-4-story homes were built in the late 1800's." Any ideas as to why these doors are so small?

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  • wingedearth

    The doors are normal sized for the Little People.

  • jca671

    And for the record, that street is Red Hook, not Carroll Gardens.

  • fixilator

    Red Hook? Dennet Place? I realize that neighborhood borders can get cloudy, but I don't think so. It's clearly Carroll Gardens. The BQE is the divide. And what a jarring divide it is. There's no denyin' it.

    Maybe you are going by some pre-BQE border? If so, that's awfully old-timey of you!

  • jca671

    Ah, I used to live on that block- it's a pretty narrow street. The first floor is half underground so most of the doors aren't short but you go down some steps to get to the front entrance. There are some "hobbit" doors though- why those were ever built will forever be a mystery to me.

  • tgg001

    Yes, the term "Hobbit" was in use before then. But mainly around the Shire.

  • win

  • ozik

    I'd like to know if the term "hobbit doors" is something locals use, and if so then for how long? Was this term in use before the popularization of Tolkien via the Lord of the Ring blockbusters?

  • tvroom

    they are obviously not the original stoops, ant the streets have been paved many times (prob originally a dirt road since the size of the street). FIrst floor of a brownstone is the basement, 2nd floor is the parlor. These houses originally had an entrance into the basement (1st floor) half underground back in the day when the street was at a lower lever. Obviously you cant raise the height of the first floor so during alterations (probably in the 40's or 50's) a smaller door was put in. The people doing the renovations didn't want to spend the money and time to dig a few feet down and put in a small staircase. These small doors are just a quick fix.

  • Polemicist

    In general many oddities of buildings in NYC are related to the heating technology of the day. Prior to zoning laws, the only thing that really limited building size for instance was this factor. It wasn't until technological advancements in ship boilers for warships during WWI that oil furnaces existed that could heat huge highrises. Then, the only limiting factor was how big the oil tank could be (none of this applies to buildings proximate electrical plants and the steam grid).

    With coal, you had to store a lot of it as trucks couldn't come every day. They used horse drawn or push carts. Then you had the ash that had to be stored. For big buildings, you needed staff shoveling coal 24x7.

    But, this is what cellars were for in those days. These homes might be $1MM today, but they were built for poor families - the poorest of the poor. That extra cost to build the building a little higher just wasn't worth it to the developer.

  • digiart2001

    I grew up in a brownstone (built around 1830) in Cobble Hill, and while we didn't have a door exactly similar to the ones pictured, we did have a slightly smaller door below the stairs which led into the basement. We were told that the door was used to bring coal and supplies into the house. Since the basement is actually a half level below the street, it seems like a perfect way to take in deliveries.

  • whitecastlerock

    Not only were people thinner back then, clearly they were shorter. Goddamn hormones in everything these days...

  • Jason

    I believe those may be coffin doors - in the Victorian era it was unlucky to pass the dead through the front door. Most people died at home, and had home funerals back then....

    I had one in a place I lived in in Jamaica Plain, MA.

  • DaleyGrind

    Could the street level have been raised at some point..? It's the case other locations.

  • Nyctini11

    Isn't there a part of manhattan that has a block like this? People have asked me about it before, something along the lines of "isn't there an area/neighborhood, in manhattan that is/was where "little people" live, the houses are supposed to be small too?"

    Fact or fiction, anyone?

  • kafkask

    You're thinking about Sylvan Terrace in Washington Heights:

    http://www.bluejake.com/archives/2004/10/26/jumel_mansion_and_sylvan_terrace.php

  • Sassafras75

    They were probably put there for storage under the stairs.

  • Politburo

    That's what I had always assumed.

  • Polemicist

    Those were not retail shops. The doors were there for getting coal in and out of the cellar.

  • Sassafras75

    Excellent deduction!!!

  • l3iodeez

    Clearly they were for the Oompah Loompahs. I don't know what you are thinking with your "coal cellar" theory.

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