Stop calling them "New Yorkers". You either have to be born here or do serious time here to earn that status. All of these kids are just living here at the moment.

kids say the darndest things

south slope is where it's at man. Park slope is too rich and the women too old and gross looking. Wburg is just gross but the women are good looking. South slope is the happy medium.

What are the generally agreed upon boundaries of South Slope? I live next to but (I'm pretty sure) not in it, curious as to where residents draw the lines.

Newsflash: South Slope is a figment of your imagination. Park Slope extends North - South from Flatbush Ave to the Expressway.

After that is Sunset Park.

Fact according to the someone who actually grew up there when you would still get your shit jacked on 5th Ave.

And for the record.. Bed-Stuy is where its at now yo.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/southparkslope/index.shtml

I think the borders are 9th street down to greenwood heights. Most people will be mad that 9th isn't park slope but thems the breaks. You can tell cause the women start to get younger looking and there are less strollers. The real litmus test is the cafes. Gorilla cafe and tea lounge has all the fourtysomethings and roots cafe, cafe 474, and southside has the youngins.

lol greenwood heights/south park slope.

+1 greenwood heights? haha. South Park slope? hehe

"James Atlas, the president of the publishing house Atlas & Co., lives on the Upper West Side, and until relatively recently, when his daughter moved to Fort Greene, he didn't really know Brooklyn existed."

Will someone explain this Manhattan-centric snobbiness to me?

www.forgotten-ny.com

15 years ago his blissful ignorance would have been a badge of honor and upstarts/arrivistes from across-the-water and north-of-96th would've been queuing up to receive a witheringly condescending acknowledgment from him.

Nowadays his old-school myopia would make him twee. Even that NYU grad would think he was a joke. "Lahk omigod, does your dad, lahk, totally not know about Brooklyn. That is, lahk, sooo old school kyooot! Lahk, Woody Allen and shit. Does he, lahk, totally have no clue what a cell phone is either. Teeheehee..."

I guess that's what this article was supposed to do. It Failed. That's fine. I really don't want these people in Brooklyn anyway. I wonder if Mr. Atlas is enjoying the Ratdemic.

Williamsburg is an ugly, expensive neighborhood but that has lots of places to eat and drink. That's it.

Same for Park Slope, minus the ugly.

Besides, all the past locales listed as litmus tests only really stood out nationally because they ended up being hugely lucrative to larger commercial interests.

I'm not saying that there wasn't any kind of social relevance to them, but I don't think the average citizen could reference San Fran or NYC in those time periods if there hadn't been movies, music, plus t-shirts, and a host of other useless commercial goods that were sold promoting them.

Who's making relevant film about living in Brooklyn these days anyway? Or, does that come after everyone has moved on?

I don't understand the quote about Brooklyn being a second choice and a concession of defeat. To me, people who live in Manhattan and never travel to other boroughs are less NYers than people who live in Jersey City or similar next-to communities and regularly commute to NYC everyday.

NYC - diversity = fail. And for the most part, diversity is the outer boroughs.

this is the only quote I found noteworthy.

"People live in Brooklyn because it's cheaper. It's not a money thing or a class thing, but it's sort of admitting defeat—an inability to be in New York," she said. "Living in Manhattan presents an interesting challenge: to always be confronted by people who have really won."

haha.

She's the kind of arriviste who, if not getting a Banker's salary, would live in Inwood just to claim that she lives in "real New York". Meanwhile real New Yorkers would know that, for affordability's sake, if you're going to live north of 135th, you might as well live in the Bronx. But then she'd just call them quitters.

yes because being quadruple stacked in a 2 bedroom apartment on avenue C with the same roommates you've been living with since freshman year at NYU really counts as winning in my book.

Tell that to some of the folks at my bus stop in Harlem and you'd be laughed out of the neighborhood.

Substitute "Manhattan" for "where my parents live" or "someplace my parents could afford". There are plenty of cheap places to live in Manhattan if you're willing to search and not live in the middle of the village or the UWS or wherever's "trendy" now.

(meant as a response to the quote, not mondoweiss.net)

I also like how, in homage to a stupid and worthless book ("BoBos in Paradise") they wrote a stupid and worthless article. Well done, Observer.