"Medicine is the keystone to socialism" --Karl Marx

Surely, medical care for all was not his concern.

Yeah, and if Nasty Pelosi tells you komodo dragons make nice house pets you'd believe her too.

The federal government has NEVER done anything cheaper or more responsibly. Quite the opposite. By the way, the bill forces people to buy private insurance and will have the IRS go after people who don't.

'Take your bullsh17 anti-gubbmint sentiment and cram it up your backside. Spreading this kind of toxic poison can only serve to get people hurt, and it's clearly starting to undermine the United State's ability to maintain it's position of power.

If "da gubbmint" sucked at everything, why is it important to have one? If "da gubbmint" wasn't necessary, then Rwanda (which effectively has no government) would be a fscking paradise. Yet, despite having no evil gubbmint holding down the people, there's hardly a better example of hell on Earth. Rapes and crime are so rampant, basic infrastructure like roads, water, and power are almost nonexistent. Starvation is the order of the day for those who haven't already been killed by the nearest tyrant.

Contrast that with YOUR privileged life: The glorious cell phone at your hip that work so well do so because of gubbmint regulations that standardize their broadcast signals, and make those frequencies available. FCC police keep it that way, too. Aircraft don't typically fall out of the sky because of stiff gubbmint regulations that require frequent mechanic reviews so well that an otherwise very dangerous activity has become one of the safest means of transportation...

period.

And I can go on and on.

1) Roads that cost $1,000,000 per mile that are so extensive that you generally expect to go anywhere you like, anytime you want.

2) Public education available for nearly your entire childhood that made it possible for you to read this post,

3) Military that protects your interests.

4) Police that keep "bad guys" from robbing you, raping you, or killing you.

5) Fresh, pure, clean water so cheap that it's often not even measured. You walk to the sink. You jigger a handle and voila! A virtually endless supply of clean, cheap water so pure that you can pour it straight into your car.

6) Cars that are safe to drive! You'd think it was in the interests of the car companies to make safe cars, but paradoxically, they've bitterly opposed every single measure introduced by the "gubbmint" to improve either safety or fuel economy. You can get into a car crash at highway speeds and total the car, and even in these circumstances it's most likely that you'll live and suffer only minor to moderate injuries. You get 250 or more miles on a tank and it doesn't break the bank.

7) Food that's safe to eat. Go to China and you don't really quite know what's in your baby food. It might be good, protein-rich baby food, or it might be Melamine. How do you know? Well, it's the US "gubbmint" that identified the problem and stopped the flow of melamine-infested food before too many people got hurt. I buy my chicken at the local grocery store without having to worry about much more than the price because of strict "gubbmint" regulations on food handling. And China is a pretty good country - it's far worse elsewhere.

How much longer should I go on? Talking like gubbmint is somehow universally bad is just idiot talk. Sure, it's got it's problems, but the idea that it's somehow the definition of evil is... wrong!

Get lost, and come back when you have something intelligent to say!'

Typical. So caught up in liberal-bashing that you can't be bothered to notice the very first words, "The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office." Pelosi didn't come up with those figures, the CBO did, which you would know if you followed any news outlet. But then again, you hate the liberal press, so I'm not surprised that you didn't know that.

We have to pay for 4 years into a plan with NO benefits and still pay for the health insurance we have now?? And what is the government going to do with the money they collect for 4 years?? Spend it freely on what ever suits them.

is there any way to stop this liberal wet dream?

I want the public option too but the fact is the industry is too much into the corporate pockets now. now we have managed care for both Medicaid and Medicare. That's why I tell everyone I know not to enroll in any managed care until they know the facts. Go with straight Medicare and Medicaid. You never know when you'll reach any type of limits and then find out you're not covered. or the rigormarole and hoops you have to jump just to see your own doctor or get the RX your doctor wrote then find out it's not covered and you need it right away.

it really is a damn shame.

Bullshit bill and I'm a lifelong Democrat.

What garbage. Total garbage. No public option, no meaningful reform.

Total garbage.

It's been cleverly design for those add-ons, and they'd need a 75% majority to erase it.

This bill is gutless without a public option and tort reform.

Go head ruin my parade! Yea I know, I know. Jezzzzz. But I'm kinda hoping that once it gets passed then the public option which I'm more concerned with will come next. Actuallly, I bet the republicans would never take tort reform for a public option.

Medicare was the wrong plan to emulate. It's rife with abuse and essentially bankrupt.

Medicaid isn't much better, and most docs don't take it.

They should have cloned the VA system: indemnified docs, cost controls, and formulary meds.

That's the math I learned in grammar school: spend lots and lots, so that somehow you'll save lots. But spend lots first ... so that one generation gets screwed.

You've got to spend money to make money.

The timeframes we're talking about are not going to screw any generation.

Nope its more about class, but

generally people who say what you say tend not to be shall we say big readers? ;-)

Everything needs to be about skin color?

It just boggles my mind that a group of mostly white rich men who have the best heathcare can with a straight face deny millions of other white people( and of course others) heath insurance and get away with it