The Brownstone Brooklyn Bugaboo has made it all the way to CNN. Today the news source touches down on the touchy subject of Brooklyn parents bringing babies to bars. Nothing that hasn't been covered here before, though they sum up the debate through the words of a 26-year-old single woman and a stay-at-home dad, both from the borough.
The single, Julieanne Smolinski, says: "I will get up on the subway for kids. I will be tolerant of them kicking the back of my seat while seeing a G-rated movie. But let me have my bars." Fair enough, though she goes on to say the parents at bars are just "clinging to their youth."
In the other corner, the stay-at-home dad, Matt Gross, says being at home all day is "isolating. Bars, as much as they're places to drink, they're places to socialize and meet people. I long for adult contact... I don't want to be excluded from the adult world."
Will this debate, going on since at least 2008, ever end? Most recently the idea of an early curfew for parents with kids was introduced at Brooklyn's Double Windsor, so perhaps that's the happy medium.
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There should be an age limit or requirement to bring children into a bar and a three drink maximum for the drinking party.
REALITY CHECK
Anyone notice the photo on CNN? Look closely at it. The father, a cartoonish epitome of an entitled, mild-mannered Park Slope yuppie, seems to be completely oblivious of the fact that his child has tears streaming down her face.
Guest
Perhaps the kid is wasted.
laisla
Not only does it depend on time and day, it also really depends on the bar and the age of the child.
If you have to really question whether a baby belongs in the bar, they probably don't belong in the bar.
The Ramones was one of the worst bands, absolutly horrible. I've tried to like them or even listen to them but it's impossible.
poetofsorts
Listen I'm all about having your kids in a bar if its around dinner time and they serve food but certain hours of the day like from lets say 8 on I don't want to see, hear, or smell your kids. I think some people forget what its like for those who do not have kids. Make plans for earlier in the day or evening or go to a resturant that is family friendly almost ever place in the city sells beer, wine, or liqour you'll have your pick just don't bring them to a bar. I don't have kids yet but I know when I do I'm not going to bring them into a bar and be a buzz kill to those around me.
iamdmg
i believe it is time to grow up...Daddy cannot belly up to the ole bar anymore like he used to because he has a 1 yr old...what a shame.
I know in some bars around Brooklyn you can sit and enjoy your Old Speckled Hen while reading your Kindle and listening to Animal Collective on your iPod. It is all very urbane. However, if we were in almost any other town and someone brought there kids into the Elks Lodge or wherever to drink and "socialize" it would look rather...WT. I appreciate the difference but do not think it matters. Keep your kidlings home. If you want to socialize figure something out. You are not hip by bringing your kid to the GD bar. Stop trying to take this back, it belongs in the trash category.
PTG in nyc
I agree with every snarky fool on this rag. I don't yet have kids, but when I do not only will I have to pay for the joy of $6+ beers in NYC, but I'll have to double down on a babysitter. Being a parent, hopefully I'll drink at most half of what I do as a child-free drunkard.
I'm in SF for the next two days and the local news that I was too lazy to turn off just did a story about "Hipster Parents" who bring their babies to the bar. Damn straight this has gone national.
I didn't want to grow up, but I got a job. When I have children I'll be in denial about no longer being allowed to exist as a selfish asshole, but I imagine I'll do the right thing and spare you all from my children.
laisla
Try triple, baby. If you find $6/hour childcare, let me know.
Cindel25
When you have children, you have to make certain adjustment in your life. Children tie you down. That's how it is.
How privilege do you have to be to think you can bring your baby everywhere? Not all places in the world required to be baby-friendly.
jaycjay
"wait, i thought the law was that if you're under 21 you're not even allowed IN a bar?"
New York State law has no specific provision as to what age is required to enter a bar, however Section 260.21 in defining "illegally dealing with a minor" in practice sets the minimum age as 16 unless accompanied by a parent or legal guardian.
The State Liquor Authority, however, sometimes puts stricter limitations on individual licensees, going as far as prohibiting minors from entering the premises under any circumstances while alcohol is being served. So there are bars where it's illegal to enter if you're under 21, and bars where it's not -- though a bar owner can exclude anyone he wants to so many do not allow access to people who can not legally drink.
The idea that this would legally be "age discrimination" is absolutely incorrect. NYC Human Rights Law is not applicable because access to alcohol and places that sell it is under state authority. Section 3-03: "Any and all restrictions in access to public accommodations on the basis of a person’s age which are mandated by federal, state or local law shall be exempt..."
slope185
Lets be clear. If you are speaking about the drinking age, which is regulated by the state, you are correct that the NYC Human Rights Law would not apply. Even a discrimination suit by a 20 year-old under the NYS Executive Law would fail due to the State's over-riding interest in preventing underage drinking. I have spoken with an attorney from the State Liquor Authority who informed me that there are; however, no state regulations regarding children in bars. Absent any state law to the contrary, the city law would apply. That being said, it would be a waste of resources for a city agency to bring such a complaint.
Teddie Boy Eddie
Hmmm, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that is Matt Gross, the NY Times' Frugal Traveler columnist.
Teddie Boy Eddie
Ah, sorry. Just read the actual CNN article. They identify him as such.
kazubes
The picture on CNN says it all, entitled hipster parents who can't grow up and move on.
The Man Bat
I swear to kee-rist that dude on the CNN pic is a goddamn SMACK MAGNET!!!! that smug looking douche is just screaming for a good solid SMACK!!
claudio
This sensitive young father has an attractive beard which conveys his urbane sophistication, and his thick black glasses indicates that he holds left-of-center political feelings. I have no doubt this twee young man, likely a mid-western transplant, reads the Believer and considers Away We Go his favorite film.
Sketto
If you're 19, you get carded. If you're 4, you get to run around the bar and trip the waiters.
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