Mentally Ill New Yorkers to Live in Their Own Apts

It is impossible that a political judge such as Garaufis would be able to assess economic impact. This is yet another case of the judiciary imposing massive costs to a State that cannot afford it. And for what good? Most mentally ill patients, by definition cannot make decision for themselves.

I hope the State appeals this one.

I guess none of those above who are oh-so-concerned about costs actually clicked through to the articles?

"But the judge cited evidence at a non-jury trial showing that the state would save an average of $146 per mentally ill person annually."

Then there was this:

"In the order on Monday, the judge said that only people with the most severe mental illness, including those deemed a danger to themselves or others, should be housed in large adult homes."

I was unlucky enough to meet up with Larry Hogue or someone just like him or somebody just like him who grabbed my breast and twisted it on the street. I caught up with him later on the same day while he frightened another woman enough to trap her in her car while he was masturbating outside of her windows. The cops wouldn't do anything about the guy who terrorized us for a few weeks until he did something bad enough to end up in prison or maybe moved uptown or something. A few years later...I can pinpoint the moment that the homeless population started going through my trash.

I grew up with a guy who beat a cop with a baseball bat when he was awakened in the subway. He never did get the help that he needed until it was way too late.

I wonder how this will work out. Most mentally ill people are not dangerous, just annoying and New Yorkers can live with that, plus the conditions that they live in now sound horrifying.

What kind of assurances can they give New Yorkers that they are not releasing ANOTHER unsupervised, un-medicated violent mentally ill person out into the world?

Get ready for more screaming, psychotic neighbors. Coming to an apartment building near you (or in the unit next to you).

Does anyone remember Larry Hogue, another mentally ill patient who "interacted" with his neighbors. He interacted with them by pushing their kids into traffic on W. 96th St. He is the poster boy of government insanity! I seem to recall a time, years and years ago, when another esteemed NY governor, M Cuomo, trimmed the budget by dumping the insane on the streets of NY. It was the beginning of the homeless epidemic.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/05/30/2009-05-30_the_wild_man_of_96th_st_larry_hogue_is_back_drugaddicted_wacko_flees_creedmoor_p.html

Some cute chick, a brown grad or maybe worse Vanderbilt, will turn up one day without a head, her beaten violated corpse will be found in her neighbor's apartment. The neighbor, Chad or Skip, a once promising math scholar cut short due to schizophrenia, paranoia, lactose intolerance, etc.

The people on the street will ask, if this guy was taking his meds. The NY Times will figure out a way to blame GW Bush or 'Big Pharma'.

The ruling states that all "qualified" adult homes residents that want supportive housing can and must be moved. Qualified means that they have been shown - by the state - to be able to live independently in the community.

This change will also save the state - and taxpayers - money.

This will end badly.

As it usually ends, when judges legislate from the bench.

If we got rid of most of the appointed liberal Jew judges perhaps we can see some justice in NYC.

For all the illiterates who worry about crazies committing crimes in the streets: These people are free to go wherever they want. They are not imprisoned, confined nor institutionalized. And the subway is just blocks way. If they were dangerous to others, we would have heard about them over and over on the local news.

They are walking quality of life crimes. I don't need them in my day to day life.

I live near FEGS on Van Dam street and I see them and the long line of idling buses that transport these retards every day. They can barely walk a half block to the local deli without three escorts. They need to be institutionalized plain and simple.

I wasn't aware displeasing your eyes was a felony.

A misdemeanor only. Ugly people and deformed people and retarded people are a luxury of a well fed civilization.

Normally they would be euthanized to save the waste of food and fuel.

Snoopy pretty much nailed it.

How is this state going to pay for this?

By increasing our taxes; this is of course an entitlement that cannot be reduced despite the current fiscal emergency.

Interact with the community = more crazy people on the streets. Who's gonna make them take their meds?

Would dart guns work?

I was just about to ask that...

This is a BAD idea.

Hmmm, the NY Times had a comments field on this article earlier today, now it's gone. I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that the comments were running roughly 3-1 against the Judge and his 70's-era ruling? How Stalinist.

"to "live their lives the way the rest of us do."

OK I'll go with that, but at the first time these sub-humans commit a crime I don't want to hear they were off there meds. They should be taken out and shot without trial.

Try collecting late rent from one of those tenants.

Eesh!

Hope none of them are prone to arson or crying

in the hallway on a lonely Saturday night.

SSI lives on.

I thought that the definition of mentally ill was that they can't "live their lives the way the rest of us do." This is just plain old washing of hands.

Exactly! Then an under-supervised person will go off their meds and push someone in front of a subway "just because". Glad to know their rights supercede those of the public at large. Some of these people are dangerous and should be institutionalized.

I hear there are a lot of "smaller units where they could interact with the community." in New Jersey!

@ snoopy

It will the the same amount that is paid now to the homes. This is why the homes want to hold on to the them. Your tax dollars are always at work:-)

Gather up all these whacks and put them in a work camp. A happy work camp with a lot of rainbows and balloons.

The last time they released the inmates from the asylum was when the whole homeless surge began.

As if I don't already have enough crazy neighbors!

Who is going to pay for all this? Not just the money portion, but also the part where these people are "dumped" into a building or section of the city that they will not be able to cope with these individuals who have special needs. Or the individuals themselves that will not be able to cope with their new environment.

This has been going on for years and is something that I have had some serious qualms about myself.

http://www.commonground.org/?page_id=21

It's evidence based practice but I sometimes question the evidence.

Surf Manor adult home on Coney Island is a dumping ground for mentally I'll New Yorkers.

NYT's Clifford J . Levy wrote a Pulitzer winning expose detailing the worst sorts of abuses: workers shuttling residents to Medicare and Medicaid mills, where doctors performed unnecessary surgeries, residents roasting to death in their rooms for lack of air conditioning.

felix, you copied that entire comment off another site:

http://motherjones.com/photoessays/2010/02/surf-manor-adult-homes-coney-island

you robot!

thanks vaieriob

Yeah, wow--you did plagiarize that whole thing. You should be ashamed of yourself.

The disability sphere is big business sadly.

yep, and Cuomo Jr. and his mother had a similar racket with the homelessness.