The money would be better spent on the unfinished PATH station, or preventing subway service cuts. Moynihan is just a vanity project.

I've always thought Madison Square Garden's close resemblance to a toilet from the outside was really remarkable. I don't think the developer could have said "FUCK YOU NEW YORK" any more clearly. And I don't care about the stupid Moynihan station, which will only help Jerseyites, who don't need the help. The damn LIRR needs the help, but instead they're going to try to magically cram it inside the overcrowded Grand Central. Brilliant.

the mta is building 8 new lirr tracks under the existing lower level mnrr tracks. a new gct entrance will also be built for direct access to the new level.

gct is not overcrowded its actually underutilized.

They're moving the mail sorting operations out of the back-end of the building, but the landmark postal lobby will remain in service.

Amtrak will move operations to Moynihan, freeing up room in Penn Station for major renovations to vastly improve LIRR and NJT operations and passenger facilities.

MSG is privately owned, had been open to moving, but has now committed to a major on-site renovation of their own.

@longacre: LIRR is currently building a brand new shiny station under Grand Central.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! That 83 million dollars is destined to go right down a corrupt rat-hole. It wouldnt even cover the built-in no-show union jobs, much less the kickbacks and bribes that a job this big will generate. The glass-enclosed elevator on 34th st going down to the current Penn Station atrocity cost more than that.

I support this. I'd also support scrapping the ugly blight on Manhattan that is Madison Square Garden and rebuilding the old, beautiful Penn Station. Doing so would correct a grievous mistake that was made in 1963.

Amen!

+1

I'm too young to have seen the original Penn Station, but walking through the Amtrak section and seeing the pictures of the old station on the wall makes me sad. (Those pics are on the Wikipedia article about Penn Station too.)

Why can't we keep the Post Office at Farley and demolish MSG for a new train station? Let the Knicks and Rangers play elsewhere. Build a brand new, majestic station instead of gutting an old building. Put solar panels on the roof for green savings.

If Chuck hadn't voted for Bush and Cheney's War and spent $1,000,000,000,000,000 or more to keep scared people in New York voting for him, this could have been done already — even with the inevitable contractor kickbacks. Every time Chuck Schumer opens his mouth, money gets washed away. But he doesn't care, his bread comes from lobbyists.

I, for one, support this agenda. The naysayers just want to whine.

New Yorkers take their infrastructure and architecture for granted.

I'd love to hear the rationale for how replacing one train station with another 100 further west is going to be stimulative.

It's not replacing Penn Station, just adding tracks for NJ Transit. LIRR passengers will still be relegated to the dungeon underneath MSG.

I know that and chose my words poorly. I stand by my assessment that it won't be truly stimulative - other than for construction workers.

Agreed. Also stimulative for whatever private real estate firm they hire to manage the retail space. For the region as a whole, not so much.

Also worth noting that NJ Transit will be building a SECOND new station, probably underneath Macy's, when they complete their new Hudson River tunnel. New York pols should be embarrassed that New Jerseyans will have two shiny new train stations IN NEW YORK, while LIRR and Amtrak-riding New Yorkers will still be in the Penn Station rat hole.

This project will costs us billions before they break ground.