Bloomberg: Crime Stat Manipulations are "Tiny"

(too afraid to comment...) *whisper* stop manipulating crime stats(!!!)

Greenpoint60 is Giuliani's Gothamist handle.

""There's always going to be some fudging of the numbers, but it is tiny,"

There's always going to be some political offices that are bought rather than elected in NYC, but it is tiny..

I guess Mr Bloomberg might be right: I can only think of one elected official in NYC that bought his office in 2009... and he is exceptionally tiny.

True, but nobody can buy Bloomberg like the Real Estate interests are buying Cuomo jr

Don't agree with the Bloomberg but do with Cuomo Jr. Wall St, Real Estate, Trustee have Cuomo Jr in their pockets. This is Mr. HUD after all.

http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-08-05/news/how-andrew-cuomo-gave-birth-to-the-crisis-at-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac/

Wow, fake stats for a fake city.. how shocking.. lol NOT

Crime in NYC will always been there, no matter how many SPY cameras they install, now matter how many thousands of police patrol the street. Nyc is now much like a police state, you always have someone watching you and these goofballs (Bloomberg, Giuliani) took away more civil rights than any criminal could have.

Make up some more stats to justify SPYING on people with cameras and police state tactics in your city.. I will keep on laughing at you.

You were not here in 1992, I can tell by your remarks

Well, As a Real New Yorker, I knew crime wasn't down . Hell with all these people being robbed left and right how can the NYPD claim crime is down to levels enjoyed in the sixties ! Please , All these people out of work struggling to survive with no end in sight !

The 60's were not great either. That is when Comrade John Lindsay began the Great Leap Forward in NYC

NY in 1992 was a lot different, you cannot compare it to today. Crime was far worse back then!!

No, It wasn't ! The difference between the two era's is simple . Back around the early nineties we were just coming out of a recession, (If my memory serves me correctly, Smoked a lotta weed back then ! Lol) More importantly, The vast majority of people still had there jobs . All you had to deal with then were a select group of knuckleheads in certain neighborhoods, and the clique random acts of violence . Sad to say, Neighborhoods were "Segregated" unlike today where most neighborhoods are seeing an influx of many different people moving in . (i.e. Bed Stuy, Fort Greene, Williamsburg, Greenpoint) Crime levels today haven't really changed from then , The difference is, You Type of person committing the crimes, Types of Crimes, (i.e. Pickpockets, Stick-ups, Home Invasions, Carjackings) . Back in the early nineties You had a wide array of crimes being committed with many having a set purpose . (i.e. Racial Indifference's, Wrong Place, Wrong time, Gang beefs, Robberies that ended in bloodshed, Things of that nature . Those Individuals for the most part are still locked up, Dead, Or are trying live peacefully now .

This From a Little Man in Kolots and Penny lofers ! (Hope I spelled that correctly ) lol

To Continue, It's not that fewer crimes are being committed . It's the level of said crimes being committed, As well as the lack of capable enforcement . Basically, You got a hell of a lotta people for whom don't want to work , & make there living preying on other's, In conjunction with those that lost there jobs, Haven't found new ones , Or make a lot less but with that criminal mindset looking for ways to make extra money . Why do you think so many people (i.e Young people) are trying there hand at Bank Robbing ? There Hungry,/ Starving and have resorted to top level robbery . Crime if anything has Sky-Rocketed out of control . The Powers that be have chosen not to report all the stats and paint that "Pretty Picture " for those looking for that proverbial bright-side .

For all the young doubting Thomas’s I suggest you pick ten days at random of the NY Post from 1992 and 2009. Make note of the crime in both years and you will see what I am talking about. 1992 was a year when drive by shootings were considered a normal part of life in NYC. Times Square was a cesspool dominated by porn shops and street hoodlums. Hustlers were waiting outside the bank ATM machine to accost people who withdrew money. The police had there hands tied by Dinkins and the ACLU, that was the problem. Giuliani ended this horror

Giuliani does not deserve all the credit for the reduction in NYC crime. He had allies in Washington and Albany.

1- Congress in Washington passed an act in 1993 signed by Clinton that gave local communities more resources to fight crime.



2-Albany under Pataki’s leadership funded more prisons to incarcerate violent drug dealers. When the criminals were off the streets, crime rates fell.

3-Giuliani and Bratten took advantage of these initiatives and instituted an aggressive policing policy of stop and frisk backed up by Compstat

Crime down? Isn't reality the most accurate reflection of reality? And the reality is that, I read reports of heinous crimes every day. Thank the internet for freeing us from the shackles of mass media.

Apparently you were not living in NYC under Dinkins to make such a comment

are you kidding me? you're not even making any sense. I'm not comparing bloomberg to dinkins. The bottom line is, bloomberg is a crook and a criminal on all possible fronts, he should be kicked out of the country, locked in a box forever, and all the money he stole from NY should be given back to the state under a more responsible, caring leader

Dinkins lost the Jewish vote and the election in 1993 because he refused to control the mobs in Crown Heights during Aug. 1991. Jews who had grandparents who fled the pogrom’s of Czarist Russia were outraged by the inactivity of the Police under Dinkins while mobs beat Jews.

Yeah, so who cares if a lot of random people get dicked over by the current administration. What really matters is an event that happened 20 years ago.

Mike Bloomberg is right, he does not want to return to the horror show that existed under Dinkins

"Mike Bloomberg is right"

Right about what? You don't seem to even understand what the story is about.

I think everybody agrees that crime is down from 20 years ago. But that does not mean that the current system doesn't have it's own, new problems. If the average citizen can't rely on the PD to take them seriously when they report a crime, that is a big problem.

Apparently you were not living in NYC under Dinkins to make such a comment

OK, I get it now. You are doing a parody of a poorly educated and racist NY native who can't even follow the simplest argument without making non-sequiturs about the darkies. Good job, very funny.

I was not surprised to find that the college educated crowd supported Bloomberg in 2009

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/11/04/nyregion/1104-ny-exit-poll.html

This poorly educated and racist NY native is predicting that the Democrats will take City Hall in 2012 and the ACLU will tie the hands of the NYPD, crime will escalate. In 2016 the Democrats will run a reelection campaign saying that crime went up due to bad economic conditions and to mention crime is racist and due to "fear" The Republicans will tell voters it's time to return to the days of Giuliani/Bloomberg

2012?

Sorry 2013 and 2017, Thanks

There's no perfect system. I'll take Compstat fudging over Dinkins-time.

You are right. The only people who miss Dinkins are the ACLU and the thugs who carry guns

Why would the ACLU miss Dinkins?

you're all over the place with your propaganda, whitewashing history, re-write NYC history.

and BTW welcome you've made quite a contribution in such a short time.

I was in NYC then, I know what life was like then. Nobody in their right mind wants to return to those days

Seriously, STFU - stop trying to justify your obviously incorrect notions by continuously repeating that you lived in NYC in 1992. If I remember correctly, there were at least 7 million other people in the city at the time that you state you lived here - your opinions do not express theirs. Here's an idea: it's called credibility - learn how to cite facts so you can have some.

Giuliani’s cops were cool, I saw them in action in Brooklyn during the 1990’s. Plainclothes cops cruised around in unmarked cars looking for young punks selling drugs. They would swoop down real quick and had those scumbags on the ground with a shotgun pointed at their heads and a dog sniffing them down. You can be sure if they had a bad attitude in the police station they got their asses kicked.

When the ACLU complained, Giuliani told them to fuck off.

I do know that the NY Times endorsed Giuliani for reelection in 1997 and remarked that people who did not believe that the quality of life had improved were "delusional" The old school liberal Ruth Messinger did did carry in the election her own district, the Upper West Side.

In 1997 the NY Times endorsed Rudy Giuliani for re-election. Their editorial pointed out that people who did not believe that the quality of life in the city had improved under Guliani were “delusional” Too many people today do not remember New York in 1992 under Dinkins.

Giuliani often talks about how crime in New York declined while he was at the city's helm – and that's true. But he's off-base in describing the city as having "record crime" until he took office. Giuliani's tenure began Jan. 1, 1994, a few years after both violent and property crime in the city had begun to decline. The violent crime rate in New York had peaked in 1990 at 2,383.6 reported crimes per 100,000 people, and the property crime rate hit a high point of 7,562.5 in 1988, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics and as shown in the charts below. Both types of crime continued to drop, substantially, under Giuliani, but the trend had begun years earlier.

Please quit while you are ahead. Out of Town Lee Brown should be given not one iota of credit for any reduction in crime. None. zero. Nada.

Brown was incompetent, Ray Kelly was hired in Oct 1992 to replace him. Dinkins finally realized he had a serious crime problem after being in office 3 years.

The chart shows that the decline in violent crime in New York was a little steeper in New York than some other big cities during the Giuiliani years, but it was part of a general nationwide trend. Philip Kafinitz, professor of sociology at the City University of New York Graduate Center, notes that the drop in the crime rate began under Giuliani's Democratic predecessor, David Dinkins, and has continued under Bloomberg, who has adopted "a kindler, gentler approach" than Giuliani. The present head of the NYPD, Raymond Kelly, served in the same post under Dinkins.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/11/rudy_the_crime_buster.html

BS The other cities followed the tactics that were instituted by Bratten and Giuliani. You are trying to whitewash the history of NYC

which city followed which tactic?

Boston

"Rudy Giuliani's legacy is that he was the luckiest mayor we have had in a long time. He was blessed by being mayor when we had a great national upsurge in the economy. He was blessed by being mayor when we had a national downturn in crime. He was blessed because he had very little to do with either phenomenon in New York, but most New Yorkers and most tourists will think he did."

-- http://www.gothamgazette.com/commentary/91.barrett.shtml

Also a major reason why the economy rebounded under Rudy was that crime was reduced. Today people take the subway to see a show and have dinner. In 1992 at 10PM the trains were empty on a Friday, people were t home behind closed doors. The lofts in williamsburg were empty.

@Greenpoint60: you need to stop hitting the crack pipe so hard, i think you broke something in your brain. reality based existence isn't for you, huh?

Jammer I bet you were in Kindergarten in 1992, you dont remember life back then

I never tried the stuff, I am a straight edged guy, I don't even touch beer!

Yea right in 2009 the economy tanked and crime went down.

Your analysis is faulty.

BTW I bet that those wonks at NYU are all card carrying members of the ACLU

The police tactics of bratten & Giuliani became a model for other large cities. That is fact you cannot deny

specifics, what city is using what model. Bratten took his model to LA after he was kicked out by Guiliani's Ego. I guess you also believe the myth that guiliani and kerik are the heros of 9-11?

The NYPD sent teams to other cities to teach them the compstat system.

After 9-11 Giuliani was God in NYC, even Sharpton praised him.

http://therealrudy.org/

GOD? LOL

Political propaganda by Republicans in the heartland who hate Italians. After 9-11 Rudy was a true leader, the best

NO, these were 9-11 responders and their families, ON how Guiliani contributed to the lives of first responders because of those faulty radios which he knew they were faulty. He had a NO_BID contract with Motorola and the price jumped from 2 million to 19 million. Also Guiliani was the one who insisted the command center be built in WTC even though his top officials and NYPD heads were against it. He wanted it walking distance to the city hall for his PRESS conference.

http://therealrudy.org/

I meant on how Guiliani contributed to the death of these first responders.

You cannot blame Rudy for their deaths, get real

as if he knew what was to occur

He did know - his command chief advised him from a command center in WTC due to the previous attack and the location. Also he was aware for over years that those faulty radios risk the lives of firefighters. One also died before the 9-11 attack when his mayday calls were unheard. I do blame him as many other blame Guiliani. He is no Hero! but a murderer.

That is not true. An Orwellian attempt to re-write NYC history

I wouldn't even use the NY Times editorial to line my cat's box. It was Bratton who brought down crime but was replaced with Kerick because of guiliani's ego.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/the_not-quite_truth_about_nyc.html

Your fact check is political propaganda. Anybody who lived in NYC back then will tell you it is total BS

I would have a little respect if he stopped talking about stats and talked about, or even better WITH, crime victims who had their crimes ignored by NYPD.

But, that means he would have to get off the throne to talk with commoners.

And there's no such thing as ticketing quotas...right.

Under Dinkins NO parking tickets were written in Harlem. That's what I call a quota.

He loves data when it supports his agenda, he disregards data that show how NYC school children are underperforming.

Yep!

Mike, you need more people.

lol

dear Bloomberg, thank you for ignoring the human component of the city to focus on statistics. Much appreciated.