Controversial Debarking Debated

Interesting, So dogs bark because they feel Threatened, Lonely, Afraid, Sad.Could it that your dog could be telling you that you have a nasty Apartment ? Could it be that barking is there way of saying , "Geez your an ugly fucker in the morning" ! Maybe, one morning you picked your dog up and kissed it on the nose and it got a full whiff of your morning breath and was using it's bark to tell you your breath smells like Rotting Burnt,shitty diapers, On fire ! Or it could be that the dog saw you in bed with your mate and thought, "You know I could really good for some of that " . Just some off the wall type stuff to think about people .

HELLO, those purebreed are ENGINEERED to a FAULT, where THEIR young must be delivered by C-section or the mother would die. >>

A blanket statement? Surely you jest!

There are over 455 different breeds of purebred dogs and only an infintesimal number of those "require" c-sections.

But they usually wind up neutered and aren't bred further. Instead too many people insist on purebreeds and that demand is met by breeders. >>

I beg to differ.... the majority of mixed breeds that you see, particularly in shelters and rescues, are so far removed from their original parentage that there is almost no way to distinguish what two original breeds were involved. That problem was obviously not caused by mixed breeds that have been spayed or neutered. In addition, "designer" breeds are gaining more and more popularity; goldendoobles, labradoobles, and all the "poo" breeds.

Genetic diversity is a good thing. >>

Hybrid vigor has pretty much proven to be false. Mixed breed dogs can be/are affected by the same genetic problems that purebreds are... in fact, depending on the heritability of certain genetic diseases (autosomal dominant vs recessives) mixed breed dogs can inherit specific problems from BOTH parents, resulting in twice the amount of genetic diseases than the purebred from whence they came.

You didn't really say that mixed breed dogs are as likely to have genetic problems as purebreeds, but you seem to have implied it. I can only go by anecdotal evidence (although quite a lot of it), and I'd say the purebreeds I've worked with are about 10 times more likely to have genetic issues: whether health related or behavioral.

You are right though, about a lot of mutts coming from many different backgrounds, so that it's hard to determine which breeds are in there. And that kind of dog, in my experience, is one of the easiest to work with.

A lot of purebreeds (like the shelties so heavily discussed on this page) no longer perform the tasks they were bred to perform, and so they are harder to manage in a city environment.

For some, the incessant barking of a dog can grate on the nerves, especially when the barking is a frequent occurrence and affects your quality of life, the enjoyment of your home, your property and your peace of mind.

You've probably talked to your neighbor several times. The neighbor feels bad and promises to take the dog to training classes but the barking doesn't stop. As much as you hate to, you call the police and file a complaint. The police also notify Animal Control and a legal cycle begins. It's an unpleasant situation that I have been in.

What saved me was the fact that my dogs had been bark softened; they had a simple, surgical procedure where a veterinarian goes down the throat with a surgical tools and makes a small notch on either side of the dog's vocal folds. There is virtually no bleeding, the procedure takes less than ten minutes and the dog awakes from the anesthesia, still able to bark, just not as loudly. (Yes, I can cite the research)

While I recommend this procedure as a last resort for people who have dogs that are "nuisance barkers" and whose dogs have failed to be helped with other forms of training, I was horrified to read post after post vilifying this procedure by people who have not armed themselves with facts. Instead, they are insulated with emotional nonsense and all rational thought seems to have left them. They ask, "would you silence a crying baby or your mother?" (Good thing they didn't ask about my mother in law.) The lynch mob mentality of the opponents of this procedure is frightening, egged on in many instances by the equally frightful animal rights organizations hovering in the background.

The American Veterinary Medical Association position on bark softening is that "Canine devocalization should only be performed by qualified, licensed veterinarians as a final alternative after behavioral modification efforts to correct excessive vocalization have failed."

So, here we have the predominant veterinary medical association saying that bark softening is a valid alternative to dealing with excessive barking in dogs when other forms of training have failed. Bark softening becomes a valid option to keep people from having to surrender their dogs to the shelter while it could face possible euthanasia.

Its important to discuss canine communication. It's a well known fact that wild dogs and wolves seldom bark once they mature past adolescence and experts state that barking is actually a result of domestication. Certain breeds have a genetic propensity to bark, such as the herding breeds.

For the poster who argued that this is a statement against the purebred, let me remind you that ALL mixed breed dogs originate from purebreds at some point in their lineage. And despite what those who propagandize the myth of hybrid vigor, genetic traits from BOTH sides are passed on to the offspring, including the propensity to bark.

Barking is only one means of canine communication and in fact, not the major means used. Dogs communicate with body language, smell (if you watch two dogs greet each other, they usually sniff each others hindquarters) and a series of yips and growls which bark softened dogs can still do. As has been said here repeatedly, bark softened dogs can STILL bark, just not as loudly.

Research done at the Humane Society of St. Joseph, Mishawaka, Indiana, by a team of veterinarians lead by Gary Patronek VMD, PhD, found that excessive barking was given as the cause in 41% of dogs surrendered for behavioral problems... almost HALF!! When you factor in the number of dogs surrendered in this country for behavioral issues and realize that almost half of those are due to barking, you simply cannot rationally deny that excessive barking leads to many dogs being euthanized in shelters. How many of these lives could have been saved had the owners known that bark softening was a viable option (as recognized by the AVMA.)?

"For the poster who argued that this is a statement against the purebred, let me remind you that ALL mixed breed dogs originate from purebreds at some point in their lineage. And despite what those who propagandize the myth of hybrid vigor, genetic traits from BOTH sides are passed on to the offspring, including the propensity to bark."

That's me!!! **bows**

"ALL mixed breed dogs originate from purebreds at some point in their lineage." Well, duh. But they usually wind up neutered and aren't bred further. Instead too many people insist on purebreeds and that demand is met by breeders. Genetic diversity is a good thing. If people were bred like dogs, half of us would look like the British royal family, and the other half would look, well, more normal.

AVMA The AVMA does not recognize the rights of any animal and has been a scathing critic of anyone wishing to address the inherent needs of animals. Thye actually litigated against cities that change the word Owner to Guardian on city signs. "For the poster who argued that this is a statement against the purebred, let me remind you that ALL mixed breed dogs originate from purebreds at some point in their lineage" HELLO, those purebreed are ENGINEERED to a FAULT, where THEIR young must be delivered by C-section or the mother would die.

so, if the dogs next see its owners cheating in bed (I'm

trying to be delicate here) they should blind it too? I

guess if the dog is already debarked, depriving it of its

sight wouldn't be necessary. After all how's it going to

tell anyone what it saw?



The other answer is soundproofing, proper training, and

understand why it's barking in the first place, and then

address the dog's needs, not your own.

People need to be taught this whenever they decide to share their lives with an animal (or some people, but that's another story..):

You become responsible forever, for what you have tamed.

---Antoine de Saint-Exupery

some of us accept this joyously...

wouldn't it be nice if humans went through a "detalking" procedure? It would certainly make MY life easier.

We could start with the entire Fox News team!

If you feel the need to do such an inhumane procedure to your pet, you shouldn't have a pet. It's as simple as that!

I have met hundreds of debarked dogs and owned several myself, and the sound is not ugly, nor have I heard a single instance of the surgical complications being publicized.

Bark softening does not silence a dog, remove its vocal cords, or create psychological harm. It is done under anesthesia by a vet (anything else is already illegal and prosecutable), through the mouth, without stitches, takes only a minute, and merely makes a nick in the vocal folds. It is minor surgery like a biopsy. Dogs don't seem to care; indeed, many who have spent most of their lives being punished for their natural behavior stop being punished and are much happier.

Bark softening is not a mere convenience. Many dogs, especially small, high-energy breeds (shelties, terriers, toys), cannot be trained not to bark even by a professional, and the average pet owner hasn't a chance. And if we're criticizing convenience, why allow neutering and spaying, major invasive surgery with serious side effects, when all owners need to do is keep their dogs home while they are in season?

"Many dogs, especially small, high-energy breeds (shelties, terriers, toys), cannot be trained not to bark even by a professional, and the average pet owner hasn't a chance."

Another excellent argument against this obsession with purebreeds. And don't even get me started on miniuaturization.

(But you're wrong about most terriers)

"Dogs don't seem to care"...because they did not bark in protest after the procedure?

Selfishness will be the doom of human kind.

Are shelter animals free? Removing testicles = good and tail docking = satanic ? Sorry just trying to keep up.

yes, but the fee covers the neutering and in some cases vaccination and training. Also they don't neuter dogs with anesthesia as you do those poor cows.

I have never once CUT off a cows tail, I only use rubber bands at two weeks of age, they do not stop eating or show any signs of discomfort. Can you say the same for a neutering?

yes, my two guys never had any side affect and are very content. I was referring to the Mercy for Animals videos of them cutting the cow's ears and tails without anesthesia.

First off I would like to apologize to anyone annoyed with my arguments with Felix spilling over to other pages, but as you know, its hard to keep him still long enough to argue out your point and also would like to apologize if I may have any spelling and/or grammar mistakes,cause we all know people like to edit all comments for errors,JUST_SAYIN(you c**t). Felix you wore me down, however I would like to give you some advice. Your attitude of yelling insults, making wild accusations, and just pure ignorance on some topics was revealed to me when you told someone that you were not young, you were 26. I am 36 and if I look back to when I was 26 ,(unlike you) I can see that I learned a lot since then and I still have a lot to learn. Your no-it-all attitude does nothing to help your cause, Some of your comments make me want to go home and kick my cat(that's a joke). I can tell you are a passionate person or you would not fight the way you do , however you really need to learn about human interaction. If you want to advocate for animals, PICK A TOPIC, If its the dairy industry, then learn all about it, maybe you can then, help farmers change certain practices. You cannot understand the industry by following mercy for animals,hsus or peta, These organization cause more damage,than they do good, making up blatant lies like,milk is poison,full of puss,blood and antibiotics, none of this is true in any way and does not have any creditable science to back these claims up, yet these statements are printed as truth. If you want to help improve the way veterinarians deal with sick and injured dogs you do not start with protesting and boycotting a entire animal hospital over allegations, these things need to be properly investigated, the same way you cannot look in someones window and know everything that is going on inside. I have more to say but, I'm tired of typing so we will have to agree to disagree, just PLEASE learn about a topic before you scream about it. So I'm sorry for my own insults, and take care.THANKS

it is unnatural for an adult specie to drink for another specie much less continue to drink milk as an adult. The China Study -"When Willett and his colleagues investigated the milk-drinking habits of 72,000 women in the Nurses' Health Study, they found that milk consumption was not associated with a lower risk of hip fracture, a measure of bone strength. In fact, women who drank milk twice a day were as likely to suffer a bone break as women who drank it once a week"

It has proven many times that MILK is Poison but the MILK industry LOBBYISTS 's interest override public health.

http://www.thechinastudy.com/la-timesarticle.html

Also there are plenty of videos of the abuse of dairy cows.

Thank you for once again for, proving my point, perhaps it would have been better understood, had I typed the word CREDIBLE in CAPS and placed etc following the name Peta. One last suggestion is that ,Should you ever decide to take your comments out from behind the safety of your keyboard, I would highly advise that you first purchase a quality dental plan.

People against this don't know what they are talking about. In the 5 yrs that we had our dog we went through 3 trainers, citronella and water collars and also electronic bark collars. All them failed. She LEARNED how to bark at a pitch (by trial and error) that would not set the SPRAY collars off, So we went electronic. She would squeal at that till it stopped. It made her bark more. Over $1000 on trainers. They all agreed, she barks out of nerves, it's like a twitch. You can't stop it. What were we to do? MOVE??? Get rid of her? She's our baby girl. We couldn't give her up and we didn't want to move. So we drove to a specialist 3 hrs north, past Albany to a doctor who specializes in debarking. Other than the drive it was easy. She had no ill effect from it. She can still bark but it's not as loud though still pretty loud. She has NO idea anything has been done to her. She's still the same dog. I would do it in a minute again now that I've been through it. I agree with the person in this who said, 'if I had to give up my dog or get the surgery, I would choose the surgery' . People would rather kill a dog or give it to a shelter rather than feel bad about taking away the bark!? It's like right-to-lifers who won't spay/neuter a dog but they will throw the pups in the shelter to be gassed. If it keeps an animal with it's family it's worth doing. End of story.

Maybe if they had more qualified people locally to do it, then it wouldn't be so bad. Problem is not enough doctors ARE qualified to do it! Sure it should be a last resort but people should NOT be condemned for doing it and wanting to keep their animal!

What kind of dog is she?

would you do the same to an infant? And is this dog from a puppy mill? Did you BUY your "baby girl"? Right to lifers don't believe in euthanasia so I don't understand "throw them in the gas chambers". Yes, some don't neuter which is bad. So is BUYING a pet. Both are cruel and immoral

Debarking (Bark Softening) - Myths and Facts

Animal rights groups attack life-saving debarking procedure

By Charlotte McGowan

There is a move around the country by animal rights interests to outlaw the practice of debarking dogs. So much misinformation about this procedure abounds that it is truly time to set the record straight. As a dog breeder since the late 50’s, I can tell you that debarking in the hands of a well trained veterinarian is a very useful tool for breeders and owners and it saves lives. I have had many dogs debarked over the years and the usefulness of this procedure should not be ignored. I know friends who have used debarking for decades with no ill effects on the dogs. Rescue groups for noisy breeds have used this procedure to save the lives of dogs that might otherwise be euthanized.

Q: What is debarking?

A:This is a minor surgical procedure to reduce tissue in the vocal chords. Some vets use a biopsy punch to remove a small amount of tissue. . Other surgeons use a laser for the same purpose. The vocal chords are not removed! The goal of the surgery is to lower the volume of the dog's bark and the ability of the bark to carry over a wide area. This procedure is sometimes referred to as devocalization but it does not remove the dog’s voice. It is more accurately called bark-softening. The actual procedure is quick and recovery is also quick.

Q: Does debarking remove the dog's ability to bark?

A:No. Debarked dogs continue to bark. What debarking does is to lower the volume of the bark so that it does not carry for miles around.

Q. Is it true debarked dogs cannot communicate any longer?

A. No. This is a prominent myth. Debarked dogs continue to bark, whine and vocalize in all the ways dogs do.

Q: Is the surgery always successful?

A: Sometimes scar tissue forms and heavy barkers will become louder than when first debarked. The skill of the veterinarian is also a factor. Some vets do not know how to perform the surgery so it is necessary to find a vet who knows how to do the procedure.

Q: Is this a "cruel and barbaric procedure?"

A: No. People with little or no experience raising naturally noisy and talkative breeds may tell you this. People with breeds like Shetland Sheepdogs (Shelties) can tell you that this procedure is simple and that it saves lives of dogs that might otherwise be dumped in the pound for their barking. Debarking is a more simple procedure than removing the uterus in spaying or removing testicles in neutering. Many dogs that are herding dogs, working dogs or small dogs can bark a lot. Many mixed breed dogs can also be heavy barkers. In modern society with heavily built up neighborhoods sometimes any barking can cause problems between neighbors.

Q: Do dogs suffer emotionally from debarking?

A:It is a huge myth to suggest dogs are emotionally disturbed by debarking. Debarked dogs can bark. Even if reduced sound comes out of their mouths, they don't seem to notice that their bark is softer. Debarked dogs that are not being constantly disciplined for barking, in fact, tend to be much happier dogs!

Q: Is it true that only criminals and drug dealers debark dogs?

A:This is the biggest myth about debarking! The majority of people who debark dogs are responsible dog owners at the end of their rope with dogs whose bark is so piercing that they can be heard for miles around. To be breed specific, Sheltie, Collie and other herding breed owners are the people most apt to do this. Herding breeds, by nature can be very vocal in their work. They also are joyful in their barking. They bark at squirrels, strangers, in play. They bark just to bark. Sheltie and Collie breeders are not criminals and drug dealers!

Q: Is it true you can train any dog not to bark?

A:I defy some of the so-called new wave of dog behaviorists to train a group of Shelties not to bark! Shelties in numbers larger than one love to do group barking. It is part of who they are. This can be true of any group of dogs.

Q: Isn't debarking a hazardous procedure?

A: Any procedure that requires anesthesia, whether it is a dental cleaning, spay, or debarking has intrinsic risks. The key to success is good veterinary skill in all these procedures.

Q: Animal rights activists have said that dogs can be debarked by shoving a pipe down their throats. Is that possible?

A. This is an oversized myth. If someone shoves a pipe down a dog’s throat they might kill the dog. This urban legend has continued in the media.

Q: Do people debark just to avoid training their dogs?

A: The majority of people who debark have run out of options and are trying to be good neighbors. We are not talking about people who are irresponsible and leave their dogs out all night or ignore chronic barking. We are talking about people who are faced with having to move or having to give up the dog. It is a procedure of last resort. A piercing bark, even on limited occasions, can be enough to cause a war in built up residential neighborhoods. Animal rights interests have painted debarking as a cruel quick fix when in fact it is something no owner does lightly.

Q: Is excessive barking due to bad breeding?

A: Here's another myth. Shelties kept birds of prey away from lambs on remote Shetland. They also kept livestock out of the crofters meager gardens and protected fish drying on the beach from eagles and other raptors. Barking is a useful tool for this work. It also helps let the owner know where the dog is. Unfortunately, in modern life, neighbors are not impressed when dogs bark.

Q: Do breeders debark dogs to hide them so they don’t have to license them?

A: No. Many breeders own more than one dog and good breeders who want to be good neighbors sometimes debark a really loud dog. Being a good neighbor is part of being responsible.

Q: Anti debarking legislation is being put forth around the country as part of anti dog fighting bills. Isn't this a good idea?

A: Criminals pay not attention to laws. They are not going to license their dogs in the first place, let alone report any that may be debarked. The people impacted by anti debarking laws are responsible owners, especially people with talkative dogs. Animal rights interests want to outlaw any procedures they deem unnecessary. Responsible and compassionate veterinarians should understand that debarking can save lives by keeping dogs out of shelters and in homes. While some dogs, especially when they are the only dog in a home, can be trained to reduce their barking, others cannot be trained to the point where neighbors will not be annoyed.

Q: Do you debark ALL your dogs?

A: No. Some dogs are less noisy than others. I last debarked a dog ten years ago. This was a dedicated squirrel chaser with a high pitched voice. The squirrels are always going to be out there. I wish I could train the squirrels to move to another neighborhood but that's just about as hard as training a sheltie not to bark.

Charlotte McGowan is the author of The Shetland Sheepdog in America and is an honorary Life Member of the American Shetland Sheepdog Association. She has bred dogs for over 50 years. She has been an AKC dog show judge for over 30 years.

1. Wow. Those are some very well organized talking points. At what staff meeting did you gin them up?

2. How many of these popular, purebred, expensive Shelties are actually fucking herding sheep?

3. What NannyState said.

Q: Do you ever shut the hell up?

....good idea to consider the building's pet policy before moving in. Our building is dog-free for the exact reason described above.

So the Gothamites are unanimous that this is wrong? Hmmm. I wish you guys could hear the 20-times daily dog-stampede and bark-fest that goes on above my ceiling every goddamn day and into the night. Does it make me a whiner that I don't want to hear that in my home????? Am I a bad person for sometimes wanting to yank those dogs' vocal cords out through their ass??? OK, that might be going too far but still....

next, removing infant's vocal cords for crying too much. people are fucked up.

"Debarking"? WTF? I had never heard of this until today. It's just sick.

It's too bad this procedure can't be done on some people.

I thought we were only silencing the poor and disenfranchised? Not pampered dogs! This is an outrage!!

But seriously, until it's required to have a license for having a child, there can't be a license to have a dog. The only solution is to ban this technique--which will likely be replaced by something less-safe and more harmful to the social web.

If a dog can't be debarked, its owner is going to send it the shelter, to obviously be euthanized, rather than be kicked out of their NYC apt by the landlord or coop board. So whats better, euthanizing the dog or debarking it?

Remember, the dogs that Cesar Millan can't fix, never make it on TV.

The only dogs Cesar Millan can't fix are the ones that need to be euthanized. Those are dangerous dogs.

It is cruel to "debark" -- nice euphemism -- a dog. Of course most dogs don't belong cooped up in an city apartment to begin with. We humans are a sad and cruel lot.

"But if I had to give up my dog or get the surgery, I would choose the surgery."

A) You don't "get the surgery," the dog does.

B) The dog should decide whether he'd rather go through the surgery, recovery, and risk of complications... or just go live somewhere else with a different owner.

Face the fact and you have to admit that he doesn't care about you any more than he would any master. You're completely replaceable. He'd rather skip the surgery and move on.

"should get to decide" is what I meant that to say.

face it, dogs don't belong in a city.

Ahh this old canard again. There have been dogs in cities as long as there have been cities and dogs. A well trained, well adjusted dog is quite comfortable in a small apartment. A poorly trained, poorly adjusted dog is not happy on a farm.

Also, as a general rule large dogs need less space than small ones.

I had my dogs eyes removed because they always seemed a little too moist and because he blinked so much it made me nervous. I also had his tail removed because he was always wagging it and it made me nervous and annoyed my neighbors.

First they came for the balls.

Then they came for the chords.......

If they never anticipated that dogs would bark, those people should never have gotten dogs. I'm no fan of barking dogs, but the simple solution for me was to get a cat instead.

I adopted my dog and after we moved he began barking his head off ( I think because all the sounds were new to him and he could see people walking by the windows whereas before he could not becuse we were too far up from the street. I also noticed he really doesn't like men- not sure what's in his history there.)

Anyway, I asked my vet what to do because he seemed really stressed out when he was barking and it was making it impossible for me to get any work done. The vet suggested a citronella bark collar that sprays a little citronella when the dog barks. They hate the smell. It worked overnight. He can still bark, just not at full volume. He is also no longer so distressed now that he has seen that even if he doesn't bark, we are still safe.

After a few months he didn't even need the collar anymore. Worked like a charm and only cost $30. We're both a lot happier.

You should try to post this everywhere you can. I don't think people know about this.

Great.

Now until she learns to text, Lassie will never tell us about Timmy falling into the well.

Distracted dry humping is against the law.

Where's felix when you need him?

How is this even legal in this day and age? They manage to pass legislation to stop the practice of cutting the tail of a dairy cow, but you can sever the vocal cords on your Dog if it's "too noisy"? How the hell did they miss this?

I was at the hearing for the horse-drawn carriages. Had to keep my pda off. Shame on the human race on how little we value the dignity of others.

hopefully no where to be found.

He had his CAPSLOCK removed and is in recovery...

Gob damned if lazy people don't make things harder for themselves. They don't want to spend the time and energy to train their dog properly so they work to make enough money to pay for a mangling "surgery" instead.

Cord removing , this is seriously FuckedUP!

A serious issue. But, a hilarious and amazing photo accompanying the story!

Here's a thought, instead of cutting the dog's vocal chords which is cruel and unusual punishment, let's make the whining neighbors deaf since they will always find something to complain about.

It's just as bad as declawing your cat because you want to save your furniture.

I agree.

Some people have no concept of animals' needs.

Jesus, that's a horrible thing to do to a dog.

People are dumb.

oh and for anyone that may agree with the procedure, please, let me be the first one to tell you that I hope people get sick and tired of your mouth, beat you down, strap you in a chair, and have someone scrape out your vocal chords.

That way it'll be easier for other neighbors in NY to not have to deal with you:)

Or, you can be trained to just shut up:) We'll be nice and give you the choice.

nice and simple. I like it. People are dumb and just so quick to make someone or something conform to their needs without it being the other way around. Granted as a dog owner, I make sure to be the leader/master what have you. And we're working on training our dog about proper behavior. Never, ever, will be think of surgery to take away her NATURAL instincts. Rather find a place that suits her and our needs. As well, proper training so that she can continue her natural side and still be proper house trained. Win/win situation. And no one is hurt in the process.

Bingo! Proper training is all about taking the dog's natural instincts and directing them in a way that they will be acceptable to all around. And they WANT that direction from their pack leaders - it's how they've evolved.

An overwhelming number of the behavior problems I've worked with are due to the human's reluctance to take charge.

Anyone that truly knows how to train or re-train dogs will admit that certain breeds are bred to bark. Historically one of the main purposes or jobs for Shetland Sheepdogs was to protect the crofters gardens & grounds from trespassers - human, animal & avian. The only way these soft faced small canines was to bark loudly & often. Unlike some of the larger breeds that can hold off a small army with just a look, the Sheltie can't just stand looking a fierce dare to enter the property while whispering 'hey, boss, a stranger is here. No, they bark, loudly & often, to inform the stranger that this property is being guarded. They kept the sheep & other farm animals away from the gardens & the croft - as for birds, that is a never--ending battle for these little fuzzy butts. Oft times it's either finding a Vet that will safely do a bark softening snipping or giving up this integral family member. This last choice most often results in the family pet being humanely put to sleep. I will bark soften before I will give up one of my furry friends. Many times over the last years, they have proven their devotion to me; the least I can do is continue to keep them in their home.

You don't think this procedure is only done on dogs that are "bred" to bark, do you?

Also, you inadvertently make a great argument against the obsession with purebreeds.