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Chance Of Winning Transit Violation Case: Slim!

If you get caught red-handed with your feet up on the subway seats, you have less than a one-in-five chance at winning your case in a hearing.

The Daily News takes a look at your chances of beating that ticket you got underground, reporting that in 2006, a whopping "9,577 summonses were upheld after hearings while 2,183 were dismissed," though an additional 3,778 summonses were dismissed prior to hearings. The NYCLU, who just gained access to the previously private trials, says the conviction rate is too high, and "thousands of people who have no lawyer are facing hearings where judges essentially act as prosecutors."

Kind of ridiculous: one woman was on a mini-trial for getting ticketed after her son ran ahead of her through the turnstile when she swiped her MetroCard. She ended up using his student card to get through, which landed her a $100 fine. She lost her case.

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  • gothamvisitor

    time is a little over 10:16pm . . . .
    was in a real hurry. . . .
    trying to catch the subway train to get home at the earliest possible time . . . . .
    swiped my card, then swiftly proceeded to the stairs going down . . .
    on the top of the stairs, i heard the intercom annnounce the next Queens bound train
    is two stations away . . . . i am gonna catch the train ! ! ! !
    Breathed a sigh of relief . . . .
    sat at the topmost, left side, towards the wall side of the stairs to catch my breath . . .
    nobody coming or going down or up the stairs . . . theres only me there . . .
    And that folks is how i got my $50 citation for"obstruction seating" . . .
    At least thats what is check marked on the  ticket . . .
    cop approached and asked if i was waiting for the train . . . said yes . .
    then asked if i ever been cited or in trouble there before . . . said never . . .
    asked if i have any identification . . . . presented mine . . .
    i thought this was one of those routine things cops do whenever
    they pick on someone to check on . . . .
    didn`t worry or alarm me a bit. . .
    next thing i know  . . .he was writing the details on my identification card
    on a thick ticket book . . .
    asked him whats wrong or what did i do . . . .
    said he will explain later after he`s done . . .
    tore off the ticket and gave it to me . .. . then told me i can`t sit on the stairs. . .
    and that was it . . . . . . . . . . . . . .  . .
    oh. by the way, he told me that if i go to the hearing . . . . .
    they might let me off with a warning . . . . . .
    he could have just gave me the warning and i would have obliged . . . .
    there were no signs or warnings telling anyone not to sit on the stairs at any time. . .
    even for a second . . . .
    i missed my train . . . . . . .
    and the connecting LIRR train that stops once in a long while
    on saturdays  . . . .where i live . .. . . . . . . .
    Don`t know if i was lucky just to get a $50 ticket . . . . . . .
    I heard it could have been much worse . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

  • Get used to it as this shopworn excuse for a nation

    edges ever closer to totalitarianism.

  • Mr. Know-It-All

    Totalitarianism?!? I think it's pretty much the will of the people--mature, civilized, thinking people anyway--that others should keep their stinking feet off of the seats on public transportation.

  • potsmoker

    ive had tickets dismissed, because the cop wrote a pile of imaginary tickets at differnt times in non sequential order from the first ticket for farebeating.

    i have a good reason to hate lying cops, they are all liars who havent been busted yet.

  • swoop

    I got a speeding ticket and the cop wrote in that he stopped me at a street that didn't exist I even brought in a printout of google maps showing it. When I brought this up to the judge the cop said "We call 108 road 107 street on precinct maps." WTF! Stupid judge went with it.

  • Politburo

    I'm not seeing how the highlighted case is ridiculous. The mother and son were not headed to school. Seems like an improper use of a student card?

  • jaycjay

    And, what evidence did she present that her version is true? For that matter, why should we believe it here?

  • Malcolm Tucker

    Yet I'm guessing the solicitors, beggars and crazy subway preacher twats are being left alone.

  • l3iodeez

    Yes because these people will just ignore tickets anyway. tis not about deterrence it about the city being broke. They do this every time there is a budget shortfall.

  • JacqueMehoff

    yes they are, have you read the NYDN commenters?

  • Greenpoint60

    You can bet your bottom $ that the cops have a quota of fucking tickets to write

  • JacqueMehoff

    holeee crap they got the white people.

  • FJF

    Was there some sort of ticket blitz today? There were three cops at my station today. Two were giving out summonses to two kids (skipping school?) and one was staring at me trying to look for something to ticket me for.

  • Wza

    Last 2 weeks of the month, cops go on a blitz to catch up on the quota.

    Be on your best behavior at the end of each month.

  • tom9d

    Can they start giving summonses to people who sit spread eagle on the subway? You weigh 150 pounds, dude...you don't need to take up three seats.

    ...also, people who listen to their ipods so loudly, you can decipher the lyrics from across the train?

  • NattyB

    Let's be grateful that Cellphones DON'T yet work on the train.

  • imadick

    yeah, life isn't fair! also, let's ticket smelly people and whiny little bitches.

  • Ishtar

    and the folks playing music on their MP3 enabled phones like they're the new ghetto blasters.

  • tom9d

    Indeed.

    And I know musical taste is a matter of opinion and whatnot, but why do the people who do these things always listen to the shittiest music? I never hear anyone blasting Ennio Morricone or Pink Floyd or Rodrigo y Gabriela. I mean, I'd even settle for some generic pop music. It's always obnoxious and overly bassy hip hop or salsa. Though there is this one dude I see on the 6 train a few times a year who not only blasts death metal, but growls along with it loudly, while playing drums on his legs, with the drum sticks he carries around with him.

  • S_R

    In a moment of pleasant surprise two weeks ago, this super thugged out looking guy was blasting music on his ipod; but he was listening to Bowie's "Sound and Vision". Made my day!

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