LIC: Kiss 7 Train Goodbye for Next 10 Weekends (Starting Jan. 29)

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With the G train out of commission for four straight weekends, some crafty commuters in the Greenpoint area had relied on the 7 train—just on the other side of the Pulaski Bridge—to get into Manhattan. Well, so much for that stratagem. Starting next weekend, there will be no 7 train service between Grand Central and Queensboro Plaza. And no service for the next 10 weekends after that. Please be patient.

NYC Transit says the suspension is because of "necessary system upgrades, replacements, rehabilitation and other subway work." In lieu of the 7, there will be a shuttle bus along the 7 line in Long Island City and additional N service. (Details here.) A NYC Transit spokesperson tells us a bus shuttle between Manhattan and LIC would be "unmanageable, unreliable and a huge drain on resources—both financial and labor. People are better off taking E or N."

Long Island City residents and business owners are furious over the suspension, which is just the latest in a series of seemingly inexorable 7 train disruptions. Last year the 7 train was out for eight weekends, and some local businesses say it almost ruined them. Brian Rogers, artistic director of the OBIE award-winning Chocolate Factory Theater in LIC, tells us, "We are seriously considering cancelling our Saturday shows through March and perhaps adding extra weekday shows, but this would be problematic for so many reasons. This whole thing is shameful and disgusting."

City Council Speaker Christine Quinn held a press conference this morning to air some grievances about the disruption. In attempt to dilute the fury, NYC Transit spokesman Paul J. Fleuranges issued this statement:

Planning when and where to is no easy task. We make every attempt to schedule work in a way that doesn't disrupt all travel options to/from a given area. We also do our best to provide alternatives. The #7 is a special challenge in that we have a short window in which to do work, essentially between late September and April due to the Mets, U.S. Open and other major event in Flushing Meadows - Corona Park.
Again, we have to coordinate that work with work going on elsewhere in the system and still provide service to 5 million subway riders every weekend. We understand it's an inconvenience but as I've said before 'If we don't work on the railroad, the railroad doesn't work.'

We've got track replacement, new track installation to perform at several points, switch replacement, and other in house work. In addition the developer will be installing elevator and escalator steel for the connection to the 'G' at Court House Sq. All this has to be done before opening day.

Well, at least we can take comfort in blaming the Mets, which works in so many different situations! Below, the full earful from Brian Rogers on the suspension. This guy's pissed!

This one is particularly hard for us because the G also happens to be down on weekends for a stretch, meaning there is really no quick way to get here. This whole thing is shameful and disgusting, because:

The MTA NEVER gives real advance notice, even though they easily could. They've known for months that this was gonna happen. And we were notified last week (and even then, not officially - we heard about it from a station agent).

The shuttles they put into service are lame, and use a dumb route to Queensboro Plaza. This is especially dumb because, for the most part, folks don't learn until they hit grand central that the 7 is out, necessitating a trip on the shuttle to times square, then a trip on the N, then another shuttle - it can easily add an hour to the trip sometimes.

It's not clear what work if any is really happening during these shut-downs (I'm being a bit reactionary with this one, I know), because they refuse to say.
But mainly: If they (the MTA) just bothered to communicate via regular channels (the community board etc.) well in advance, hear our concerns & make a few wholly reasonable and cost effective changes, and for chrissakes keep at least ONE of the trains running....90% of the aggravation & lost income could be avoided.

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By John Del Signore in News on January 22, 2010 11:50 AM

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SubwayWeekender

I'm honestly not sure why everyone is griping about the lack of communication on this. You have been told 9 days in advance about an impending service change.

Plus, there are inconvenient service changes every weekend. I live on the 7 and I don't understand why the news vans come out every time they work on the 7.

Finally, the MTA is actually building something! They are building a transfer between the 7 and E/V/G at Court Sq. There are at least 3 other lines in LIC. Use 'em.

DEFIANTROA

You can take those Chinatown shuttles if you are coming from Flushing.

Gaelic47

Take the Q32 from Queens Blvd in the 40s right into Manhattan, making stops along 59th and going to Penn Station.

LICer

Ohhh, so that's why there were so many news vans at the vernon/Jackson stop this morning. Man, if one of those reporters had stopped me this morning on my way into work and told me of this I might have lost my sh*t.

But not to worry all. I've been told by an insider at the MTA that they plan to introduce a fleet of paddle boats leaving from Gantry Park with drop-off slips at 42nd Street and 34th Street. I even hear they're in the classic swan shape!

hotstepper

break out the duck buses!

LICguy

I've come to expect this every year, but the lack of notice is inexcusable. I feel bad for the Chocolate Factory and other businesses that the MTA screws.

And Mr. Rogers, why would you take the shuttle to Times Square to get the N. Take the 6 train one or two stops and transfer on the east side.

Tower18

for the most part, folks don't learn until they hit grand central that the 7 is out, necessitating a trip on the shuttle to times square, then a trip on the N, then another shuttle
Why in the world would you do that? Just take the 456 to 59th St and transfer to the N there.

boogpowell

Christine Quinn sux

bittycakes

That's one of my favorite photos! I'm so glad you used it - thanks! (but I srsly cannot believe this is going to happen to the 7 Train!!!).

Jail_Bait

All good points above. Here's the real issue -- if you live in an outer borough that is not brownstone brooklyn, the MTA does not give a f_ck about you.

Enjoy the raise useless/inept/lazy MTA employees! It's on us!

Greenpoint60

A lot of riders on the 7 are recent immigrants who cannot vote.

Nyctini11

I truly wish it was possible to have a rider strike, f'in mta.

ohhleary

What good would that do? It would take away fare revenue from the MTA and force them to either cut service or raise fares even more.

lucyvanpelt

And this is why I take the LIRR from eastern Queens. It costs more, but at least I know a) when I will get to midtown, and b) *that* I will get to midtown. The crappy-bus-to-crappy-7-train shuffle is just ridiculous.

Greenpoint60

Stay tuned, the attitude of the MTA has always been that the public should not have first-hand detailed knowledge of future cutbacks until after the general elections

NattyB

what route do the shuttle busses take? Through the 59th st bridge?

ganghiscon

They don't go to Manhattan at all.

A NYC Transit spokesperson tells us a bus shuttle between Manhattan and LIC would be "unmanageable, unreliable and a huge drain on resources—both financial and labor. People are better off taking E or N."

Gothamist_Cynic

This is ridiculous. Why don't they do this track work between midnight and 5am instead of on the weekends? Why is it taking 10 weekends to do this work? Oh that's right, MTA track workers only work 4hrs a day. Fuckers.

S.K.

And why can't the sh!tty shuttle buses go from LIC to Grand Central via the Midtown Tunnel?

SighR

Looks like it's time to start writing on walls again.

Wza

lol

Greenpoint60

You wrote “Why not use an actual schedule and run the trains every 30 minutes” This is what they did for years on the G line on the weekends. The MTA needs to explain in detail why this disruption is necessary

The MTA may be testing a future (after the 2010 elections) end of 7 service to Manhattan on the weekends. They are training us like dogs to use the N train.

hotstepper

"They are training us like dogs to use the N train."

uh no. outside of hipster-laden Astoria there is a magical noodle kingdom called Flushing which has a massive ridership who are not all going to cough up nearly $10/ride for the LIRR. no, the 7 train will continue to inspire insanity for its riders for a good long time.

Guest

Hipster-laden Astoria? Are you serious? Have you ever been to Astoria? There might be one here and there, but it is not over-burdened with them like, say, Williamsburg.

hotstepper

yes dear, i visit often.

and yes, you are correct, as the supreme realm of hipsterdom all locations fall short of williamsburg. big deal, what's your point again? because mine was about the 7 train, not comparing hipster population density around the outer boroughs.

Guest

The point was that you used the term 'hipster-laden'. The word laden is defined as something being overburdened, so your point was that Astoria has so many hipsters that it has become a problem. I was just calling you out on (1) using the term hipster to get a reaction (yeah, it worked) and (2) using the term laden inappropriately. That is all.

Thanks for calling me 'dear', sugar nipples.

commonman

This is awful. Just awful.

Chillinoncentral

Love that pic!

bittycakes

thank you! It's one of my favorites (I took it).

SP

Hmmm. Sure would be nice if the subways shut down from 1 am to 5 am, year round, so that they can be maintained continuously. Like they do in Paris :)

Outter Burrougher

do you honestly believe that shutting down ALL subway service to a particular area is the only alternative to having trains run all night? they easily could have scheduled either line to be out at a different time.

Nyctini11

the MTA really does a stellar job of sucking! Their complete lack of communication regarding LONG periods of outages on lines is unbelievable, i had the exact same issue back in Oct when they took out ALL express service to/from brooklyn on the B/D line & no one knew about it until that monday when we got to the station and realized there was gonna be no express train....for the next 2 years. We moved.

Steven

Why not use an actual schedule and run the trains every 30 minutes or something and use one track. Then again that might be too hard for the MTA to figure out.

Metro-North does that all the time when they have track work.

imadick

hey, does the mta go to blogs about your job and tell the world how you should cup the balls?

no, because they don't know about ball-cupping, so they know better than to make ignorant comments. you could learn a thing or two.