Terror Trial Suspect: Keep Jews Off The Jury

I hate to be the voice of reason here, And some people here may hate me for saying this . But The Arabs and Jews have been fighting each other for centuries . The only reason all these terrorist keep trying to bomb us to hell is because we protect, and shelter the Jews ! If this Country took a realistic stance and said "Look we understand our point of view , As well as the Arabs Views , But we want nothing to do with your Civil War "! "Keep that shit to yourselves over there "! It's painfully Acute that this woman is both very bright , as well as encourageably stupid ! It doesn't matter what college she went too . Her Assertion regarding the "jew free jury " was both tactfully enlightening, and Extremely Racist . But wasn't that the point ? In her mind the only way she can get off would be if there are no jews on the jury to convict her . Foolish Yes, Will it make a difference ? Nope She's still gonna burn, Just not for her attempt to kill the innocent . More like for Aspiring to comment the act through affiliation !

she should also be charged with racial hate crimes for discriminating in open court against jew jurors.

where can i get this genetic test to see if i have any jew blood in me?

@jpeditor - I didn't say just pick any one thing off the list in isolation. All of these things have to be done together. The reason there is perpetual conflict is because there are no clear boundaries, so both sides keep crossing into each other's territory and claiming it as their own. That's why there need to be clear borders and separate nations. The ambiguous lines of separation lead to perpetual struggle. The Palestinian and Israelis can both be armed as much as they want, but without being able to cross borders, it won't matter. Because of the situation now, there is too much border crossing, and thus too much fighting.

With my plan, border crossing is ended. There is no "pincer" on Israel any more than there was already, and Israel is much, much stronger than Gaza and the West Bank, so that's a non-issue.

Your "ideas" are nothing but smoke to take land and security from Israel and give it to Arabs who you are either one of or they willl cut your head off when they are done with useful idiots like you.

Take your deconstructed chomsky and finkelshit and GFY.

its a well documented fact that israel employes commenters on blogs to shout pro israeli biblical crap.

all your comments are derogatory.

ill turn jewish when your god heals amputees.

otherwise theres no god and the jewish people and the followers of ANY religion are idiots.

are you paid for your comments or just another religious fanatic who uses blogs to shout your vile.

im a vile human being, i apply my vile world view to everyone.

the temple mount is not important to me and its no more important that a toilet, but id rather take a dump on the mount than use a toilet.

"the temple mount is not important to me and its no more important that a toilet, but id rather take a dump on the mount than use a toilet."

If Islam is beautiful, then everyday I make a masterpiece. Are you shocked with your mouth open, jiiahdi/commie?

Hold the pose, I'll save one for your mouth. It won't be any different going in your mouth than what comes out of your mouth.

How to make peace in Israel:

1) Move Israeli settlers out of Gaza Strip, West Bank, and Jerusalem

2) Release Palestinian hostages from Israeli prisons

3) Recognize Gaza Strip and West Bank each as a separate, independent nation, and remove all Israeli forces from both areas.

4) Establish a demilitarized zone and security wall along borders between Israel and the two new countries.

5) If necessary, park UN peacekeepers on the borders between Israel and the two new countries, to stop invasion by either side.

6) All three countries can then feel free to control and block immigration and travel into their countries however they want.

7) Profit!

How to make peace in Israel:

1) Move Israeli settlers out of Gaza Strip,

DONE THAT AND HAMAS LAUNCHED AND STILL LAUNCHES thousands of missiles into Israel, so onlyh a MORON would suggest that giving up further land in the West Bank, and Jerusalem would lead to peace.

2) Release Palestinian hostages from Israeli prisons

Yes, so they can continue to kill Jewish women and children - after all, the schmuckistinians are running out of their own women and children to blow up the Jews.

3) Recognize Gaza Strip and West Bank each as a separate, independent nation, and remove all Israeli forces from both areas.

Oh yeah, let them have a PINCER on Israel.

4) Establish a demilitarized zone and security wall along borders between Israel and the two new countries.

Obowmao is ARMING the palies you are so behind the times.

5) If necessary, park UN peacekeepers on the borders between Israel and the two new countries, to stop ISRAEL FROM DEFENDING ITSELF, becausewe all know how effective the UN is...

I have a question for you. How is that 1.5 million arabs are allowed to live in Israel but NO JEWS ARE ALLOWED TO LIVE IN THE PA TERRITORY?

Here's a better idea - move the palis to JORDAN where they already have a country. And move that abomination off the Temple Mount.

i guess rules only apply when talking about jews but doesnt apply when commenters talk about muslims.

Bertram Russel was a communist turd like you who sucked muslim butt becuase the party told him to.

No one GAVE "palestine" to the Jews, there was no "palestine" until the Romans expelled most (NOT ALL) of the Jews 600 years before MoHAMhead was a nightmare who should have dribbled down his father's and the camels leg.

ISRAEL was a NATION WITH A CAPITAL millenia before Arabs stopped humping rocks and camels.

Also, Palestinians aren't really Arabs. They're Palestinians (i.e. Philistines). There are lots of people who get called "Arabs" these days, and though they and the Hebrews were all once part of the same Semitic race, they're were different peoples. There's the Syrians, the Assyrians, the Egyptians, the Philistines, the Canaanites (i.e. Phoenicians), and others. They get lumped together as "Arabs" today because of their Muslim religion, but it's not quite accurate.

Israel was a nation with a capital at one time, but it didn't last long. Mostly, the Israelites and Canaanites fought and took turns ruling each other (except during the reign of Solomon who temporarily reunited them) until the Babylonians and Assyrians conquered them all, only to themselves get conquered by the Aryan Medes and Persians.

There are lots of peoples in the Near East and Middle East, and they've all been there for a long time.

You;'re talking out of your rear end.

http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~peters/mythology.html

Way to cite to a Zionist propaganda site to try to disprove history. Palestinians didn't just emerge from the ground in 1948. Read an online Bible, do a keyword search for the word "Philistine". That's them. They existed in the past. Here's more about them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philistines

The Palestinians are real Semites, so if you're opposed to their existence, you're an Antisemite.

@potsmoker - That's not true. In ancient times, before there were Hebrews, the land that is now called Israel was a smattering of city-states, some owned by Canaanites, some by Syrians, some by Philistines (i.e. Palestinians). The Hebrews were formed later as an offshoot of Canaanites who invaded Egypt.

Since the end of the Crusades, the land was called Palestine and owned by Turks, until after World War I when the Turks lost it and the Palestinians formed their own state. In 1948 Palestinians lost their state to Zionists backed by Britain, who had been resettled in Palestine after World War II (and some Jews who were resettled in Palestine by Nazi Germany, who worked with the Zionists toward creating a Jewish homeland).

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This comment by jpeditor should be checked out. http://gothamistllc.com/report/1/2445054

whats the matter, you supporters of jihad get to whine and LIE and post propaganda about Jews "killing, stealing, smelling, oppressing, cheating, farting, BREATHING" but the minute someone else gets excited while telling the truth about your precious jihad supported by the left, you go running to mommy?

Whats the matter, you haven't banned everyone but comie - jihadists from the internet? Want to shut down the radio as well?

too bad you don't complain about this on gothamist - or maybe because you like it.

http://gothamist.com/2010/01/14/quinn_seeks_help_for_poor_haitian_h.php#comment-2444802

We can all thank the jihadi/commie plants here from distracting us from the real scandal.

"According to the Daily News, she shouted "Allah Akbar" and vowed to kill Americans before she was detained. Investigators reportedly found two pounds of poisonous sodium cyanide, notes and documents on how to build chemical and biological weapons, and lists of potential terror targets including the Statue of Liberty, Wall Street, the Empire State Building, and the Brooklyn Bridge."

[Judge Berman] also ruled that jurors will not see evidence regarding the chemicals or the "mass-produced documents from 'how-to' terror manuals," and tossed evidence about her alleged Al Qaeda connections because it might cause bias."

Once again some PC moron is going soft on al queda scum who should be repeatedly water-boarded then wrapped in bacon and set on fire in Foley Square.

A zionazi with his Hitler side showing...

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Lady terrorist is simply protesting the evil Zionist occupation of... a juror's chair. Liberate that chair!

jews turn americans against arabs and americans buy into it. HAHA. notice, you never have jews' children in the us army.. do you see the children of pro-israel jewish politicians and leaders such as bloomberg, spitzer, schumer, lieberman fighting in the front lines for america? never. they just make the foreign policy decisions, and the caucasians, blacks, and hispanics go to war and do all the work for them. then they collect US tax money and it to Israel for more tanks and guns. meanwhile, america is in deep debt and the people suffer.

And, um I think 9/11 was sufficient enough to have most Americans turn against Arabs. Im surprised they let you have computers in Bellevue. Now take this happy pill and calm down.

You ignorant dumb a$$. First of all, I take solace in being able to safely assume that I am more educated than you. Second, for starters, read "the israel lobby and us foreign policy". There, you have been educated free of charge. You're welcome you dumb representative of mediocre society.

Well given that I have an ivy league degree on my wall, I can safely assume that I am much smarter than you.

Also, since I read the NY Times, I came across this article from today's paper. Look how smart the Jews are:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/opinion/12brooks.html?em

Go fuck yourself.

whats your point? personally I like Jewish culture. I like Jewish people. That doesn't mean I have to support Israel when they violate the HUMAN rights of other people. IMPORTANT: Human rights apply to all people. Even Muslims.

You should also read up on Ethnocentrism.

'Ethnocentrism is the tendency to believe that one's ethnic or cultural group is centrally important, and that all other groups are measured in relation to one's own. The ethnocentric individual will judge other groups relative to their own particular ethnic group or culture, especially with concern to language, behavior, customs, and religion. These ethnic distinctions and sub-divisions serve to define each ethnicity's unique cultural identity.'

I respond to your posting with a simple quote (not mine):

If the Jews laid down their arms, there would be war. If the Arabs laid down their arms, there would be peace.

you're ignoring reality

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2009/09/15/UNFFMGCReport.pdf

You know you can care about Palestinians as human beings and still be Jewish? Caring about human rights is more Jewish than supporting Israel when they're committing crimes against people. Read that report and think about it. Peace.

Anyone who thinks 9/11 was an attack by Arabs is either an ill-informed asscarrot like yourself, or an inbred zionazi cretin who thinks 9/11 was good for Israel, like yourself. So why don't you just troll on down to Delancey St and pick yourself up a crack whore and give your wife a break from having to deal with your stink.

Anyone who doesn't think 9/11 was an attack by Arabs is on drugs or should be working for Bin Laden. If you are doing his propaganda for free, YOU ARE GROSSLY OVERPAID.

Yeah that is the fault of the Jews. Also our fault- why you didnt graduate from High School, right?

Oh for gods sake with this terrorist bitch. Lock her in a room, spray her with pigs blood and make her watch Inglourious Basterds 1000 times in a row, clockwork orange style.

And to Human, the Jews have taken a desert and turned it into a thriving economy in about 50 years. The Arabs have spent the last 100 years polishing rocks.

I love the irony... a brain washed racist jew with the consciousness of a suicide bomber who considers himself an enlightened member of the chosen people spewing the kind of hate he attributes to his arab enemies. Dude, you should marry her because it's probably the only hot semitic p*ssy you're ever going to get.

Why don't we throw you in an oven? Does that sound like fun to you you sick jewnazi? Now scream anti-semitism like the bitch you are.

"Why don't we throw you in an oven? "

Hey I got a shotgun right here for you to suck on, you jihad loving commie moron. Keep the hits going, the NYPD needs to confirm your IP address.

You sound like a sad man with a sad life, and seriously you need to hit the cap lock before your start typing your inane comments.

Im not screaming anti-semitism at all, Blink. But I will scream from the rooftops what a unbelievable moron you are.

Human, what are you going on about "innocent poeple"? Who is innocent- this woman who fires at soldiers, or the people of Gaza who elect Hamas to office? The right answer is NEITHER. And YouTube propaganda videos are useless- what are you going to post next, a Flickr slideshow of the "massacre" in Jenin several years ago? In the words of my people, you are a true schmuck.

The Jews have been in Israel thousands of years before the Palestinians, who are actually Jordanians if we are going by Semetic semantics.

yeah man, you rock. kill innocent people cause they're not civilized like you. USA. USA. USA...sigh, please..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLZgNy46aTQ

here's what Bertrand Russell said about Palestine. All due respect but he's much smarter than you.

"The tragedy of the people of Palestine is that their country was "given" by a foreign power to another people for the creation of a new state. The result was that many hundreds of thousands of innocent people were made permanently homeless. With every new conflict their numbers increased. How much longer is the world willing to endure this spectacle of wanton cruelty? It is abundantly clear that the refugees have every right to the homeland from which they were driven, and the denial of this right is at the heart of the continuing conflict. No people anywhere in the world would accept being expelled en masse from their country; how can anyone require the people of Palestine to accept a punishment which nobody else would tolerate? A permanent just settlement of the refugees in their homeland is an essential ingredient of any genuine settlement in the Middle East".

"Message from Bertrand Russell to the International Conference of Parliamentarians in Cairo, February 1970." Reprinted in The New York Times, Feb. 23, 1970.

Hey *sshole, my shoes are smarter than you, especially when I throw them at you.

Bertram Russel was a communist turd like you who sucked muslim butt becuase the party told him to.

No one GAVE "palestine" to the Jews, there was no "palestine" until the Romans expelled most (NOT ALL) of the Jews 600 years before MoHAMhead was a nightmare who should have dribbled down his father's and the camels leg.

ISRAEL was a NATION WITH A CAPITAL millenia before Arabs stopped humping rocks and camels.

ARABS ARE SQUATTERS. You have 100 times the land surrounding Israel and you have done NOTHING with it but suck oil out of it AFTER BEING TAUGHT HOW TO DO SO BY INFIDELS, but Israel rebuilds itself and the arabs go "oh, we have to steal that too!"

Islam, THE REAL GUTTER RELIGION.

Ha! You rock H.O.

This doesn't speak well for MIT or Brandeis does it?

Is this the same "Islamophobia" Gothamist was talking about when Brooklynites didn't want these losers building their latest terrorist chamber under the guise of "peaceful religion" in their backyard?

I'm guessing she didn't study genetics at MIT.

Of course, the fact that she's bugfuck insane might have a wee bit to do with the fact that we (that's "we" as in "the government of the United States, in your name and using your tax dollars") spent the last three years raping and torturing the crap out of her at Bagram air base.

i've not read anything indicating that she's had any contact with her family yet her family believes her to have been raped and tortured. but if they haven't spoken to her then on what are they basing their claims?

she's the victim, you're the victim, i'm the victim, everybody's the victim. yaaaaay!

I guess that explains the shop worn look on her face.

hopefully her trial will get more people to wonder why there is all this fighting in the middle east.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kem1ajIKv1k&feature=related

very simple, it's a family feud.

the spawn of half-brothers Ishmael and Isaac continue to kill each other after thousands of years. but i'm sure they'll be done soon.

What spawn of Isaac? Only Sephardic Jews (and Palestinians) are descended from ancient Hebrews. The other Jews are from Eastern Europe, mostly Khazar.

all our connections to people thousands of years ago is imaginary. how can anything get solved, when people keep referring to the bible like its relevant? its historic document of primitive people trying to make sense of the world. we've split the atom and since been to the moon, we don't need these fairy tales anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flJgbj9lII4&feature=channel

So by your logic the roots of this are, what, 1 year old (war in Gaza)? 10 years old (Intifada II as a result of Sharon going to the Temple Mount)? Since establishment of Israel in '48? About a 100 since the partition plan? Where does it start and where does it end? When do the Palestinians start to make the best of a bad situation? When does the education, employment, religious freedom, freedom of press, autonomy, etc start?

The world is tired of the Palestinians because they refuse to help themselves. Your leader dies before he can deliver the peace he promised and takes billions upon billions dollars with him (and you're still living in refugee camps) and you're now ruled by a terrorist group (In Gaza, not the West Bank) that won't let you utter one single word to oppose them and certainly won't let you take up arms when they oppress you? WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS.

brother this is precious...

"When do the Palestinians start to make the best of a bad situation"

funny.

Hamas has agreed to peace if they give it back 1967 borders, but I dont care to argue about that.

What I care about is that the country I live in has a 'special relationship' with the religious racists. I dont like that US citizens are at war with a bunch of people over an issue that we're not allowed to discuss. Americans are actively being misled by our government about the cost of our support for israel. Thats bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU

"Hamas has agreed to peace if they give it back 1967 borders, but I dont care to argue about that."

Right, you just drop it out of your ass like a brain fart.

Ever read the Hamasshole Charter, or do you not "care to argue about that."

What does it say, Achmed Stalin? IT SAYS THEY TAKE OVER ALL OF ISRAEL, THEN THE MIDDLE EAST, THEN THE WORLD.

Why should Israel give them a GRAIN OF SAND when EGYPT is building barrirers to Hamas?

Hamas should be exterminated, and people in the U.S. who work for Hamas deserve JAIL AND DEPORTATION.

You're saying Hamas is attempting world domination? That's pretty far fetched. Did you read that in an Israeli comic book?

since all you seem to read are commie / jihad commie books, maybe you can read up on Hamas Charter here.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=hamas+charter&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

PS - that Khazar myth was disproven DECADES ago. Get with it - Jews are GENETICALLY disposed to stealing land from EVERYONE, look how much they have comapred to the Arabs!

/s

and by "bible" i'll assume you mean the talmud, koran, and bible.

yes, all religious documents. take what you will from them, just don't take them too seriously or expect anyone else too.

Brandeis was founded by Jews, stupid. Named after the first Jewish Supreme Court justice Louis Brandeis.

Also, in her defense, I don't think it's a bad idea to remove the jews from the jury pool. They may pre-judge her before facts are known, thereby tainting the pool and ultimately the verdict. It's up to the defense to try their hardest to see this is done.

what would you say if there were Muslims on the jury? What's fair is fair.

But she's not on trial for anything involving Jews. She shot at two Americans in Afghanistan. I guess we should remove all Americans from the jury pool too.

you totally missed the point (as per usual).

thanks, Human, for the assist.

I understood your point, I just don't agree with it. Like I said, you might as well just remove all Americans. Especially since as we seem to agree Americans are likely to be biased against accused terrorists.

I wouldn't preclude anyone from serving on the jury based on their religion unless she was accused of blowing up a synagogue or church or something like that. That includes Muslims.

just so you know...there is near universal belief amongst people in the middle east that the US is attacking them at the behest of israel...thats why Iraqis burn israeli flags and chant about zionists. americans are the only people who think these wars dont have to do with israel.

"there is near universal belief amongst people in the middle east that the US is attacking them at the behest of israel..."

Yeah, and after the Koranus, the most popular book in the middle east is MEIN KAMPF. Just because you and your other propagandists blame Jews when arabs steal from, oppress and kill other arabs DOESN'T MEAN ITS THE JEWS FAULT.

Guess what groups kills more muslims than Israel and America combined?

MUSLIMS.

YOU MUSLIMS LOVE A GOOD SHAHEED DEATH MORE THAN WE INFIDELS LOVE LIFE.

Thats what all your dbags scream before they blow themselves up in a room full of civilians (so their mommies can get a check from some Saudi).

Go push your taqiya somewhere else.

Thanks for the pedantry.

I wasn't trying to pedantic. I'm trying to be informative.

To say that a person who likely supports Israel doesn't predispose them to being biased against an accused 'terrorist' is...wrong.

this is david cross on terrorism..its funny and true

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6UOcmbHrDY

Brandeis has a huge Jewish student body.

I was about to say, she went to Brandeis and hates Jews??? Ha!

Could be coincidence, but I wager that might be related to it having been founded by Jews and named after a Jew, and having Hebrew writing in its logo.

ahaha.

You can take the girl out of the sick desert Arab culture, but you can't take the sick desert Arab culture out of the girl.

Pakistanis aren't Arab.

I didn't say she was an Arab. I said she's part of the sick desert Arab culture, which the desert Arabs have been forcing on anyone they can for the last 1000 years or so.

it only seems like a sick culture cause you don't see what makes them sick....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOu-NT0W2eg&feature=channel

you are living in a fish bowl. how you see the world is not how it is.

Oh sure, ever act of terror was done because of the situation in Gaza. Nope, it's never mass unemployment in the Arab world, or shitty health care, or the fact that Arab religious and political leaders refuse to allow their people to join the modern world and will gladly massacre their own people when their rule is threatened. Nope, but be the situation in Gaza. The current uprising in Iran? That's Israel's fault too I suppose - or at least that's what the violent and oppressive Iranian gov't is telling us, and it seems that you believe it too.

You hold the same logic that the corrupt Arab gov'ts have been breast-feeding their people forever: No matter what we deny you, no matter how many of our own people we massacre, no matter how long we refuse to allow you to join the modern world, it's always Israel's fault.

I wonder if the mass unemployment in the Palestinian areas has anything to do with perpetual attacks by missiles, tanks, and soldiers. Must be hard to build an enterprise when your headquarters keeps getting blown up or bulldozed, and your workforce keeps getting assassinated by Israeli soldiers.

You know why I think that? Because that's what the 'terrorists' f*cking say!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QPNDqrasUM

they never say I'm trying to kill americans cause I dont have healthcare or am unemployed or whatever else...try talking to some muslims next time you take a cab.

"try talking to some muslims next time you take a cab. "

I am talking to a muslim, YOU. And it's muslim morons like you are why MOST NEW YORKERS PREFER SPANISH CARE SERVICE than getting in a car knowing half their money is going to TERRORIST ZAKA.

You freaking apologist for a death cult masquerading as a religion. You push these LYING PRO--JIHAD VIDEOS, why don't you tell us what muslim "nation" in the mideast has much freedom and opportunity FOR MUSLIMS as they do in Israel. Why don't you tell us, should the muslims nations surrounding Israel become more like Israel, or the other way around? 1300 years of nothing but GARBAGE since moHAMhead. Islam doesn't mean peace, it means SUBMISSION. Well we aren't your dhimmie, ACHMED, so stop posing as a "human".

The only time I talk to a near easterner is when I get in a cab or buy a magazine, and then only briefly.

It's nice to see you get your worldview from terrorists, asshole.

terrorists? you mean David Cross?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6UOcmbHrDY

Fuckwad, I am talking about 1000 years ago. I promise, whatever idiocy is in that youtube, it has nothing to fucking do with what what I am talking about. If you think the middle east was angry about Israelis in 1000 AD you have problems.

oh you're talking about what happened a 1K years ago? Not the people being occupied and killed NOW...Which is what this is about.

There are lots of people who will waste time talking about how the old testament and how it calls for ethnic cleanings...

'Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.'

or others who will quote all the rambling as the Koran. This is STUPID. People do this so they can demean the other group of people. So they can ignore and distract attention from what is actually going on today...which is not complicated.

you want to close your eyes and pretend its all some black and white, good vs islam battle...by all means, be a schmuck.

Okay, you're a moron. Please refrain from putting words into my mouth, or saying things which you claim I said but never actually did. If you actually understood my comment, you would understand that in general I actually agree with you. However, your stupidity is causing me to think that maybe I was wrong all along and I shouldn't hate the Israelis (which I do.) It's like when you go vote and you can't decide because both the candidates are so awful, so you find as many idiots as you can and ask who they're voting for, so you can vote for the other candidate.

She's kind of hot.

brandeis is an anti-semite school, duh.

ah, internet sarcasm, how i love thee

http://www.brandeis.edu/das/downloads/contactsheetforchairs200910.pdf

Why dod you say this when they have a Rabbi in their chaplaincy?

You may want to look up who Mr. Brandeis was.

felix totally missed the sarcasm and is trying to cover it up by claiming his own sarcasm.

Sorry if I can't type slower for you. Yes, I admitted I missed the sarcasm which is why i asked for the mark. D'uh.

ok will do. thanks

The jokes on you, felix. MUHAHAHAHAHA!

What happened to the sarcasm Mark?

Brandeis? Really?

She went to Brandeis?

She went to their prep madrassa.

Stuyvesant?

Oh, you're welcome for that education, nutbag.

Religion is a choice, not a gene. How is someone who was smart enough to get into MIT not aware of that?

Religion may be a choice, but Judaism is more of a race than a religion. That's why, under Jewish law and in Israel, people are not considered Jewish unless their mother and grandmother are Jewish.