Times Touts "Caveman" Fitness Trend as Lifestyle

To felixthecat: The link you keep posting is filled with all the misinformation that vegetarians are known to promulgate. For example, our jaws are not like carnivores as we have tools and do not need to use our jaws to kill. And until we developed tools 2.5 million years ago we were not big meat eaters, though we would have eaten insects. One doesn't become the smartest creature on earth without a high nutrient diet.

A better comparison of how humans fit in with carnivores (which we are not, we are omnivores) and herbivores is this page:

http://paleodiet.com/comparison.html

The Times article article was horrible.

There are some amazing health aspects to the paleo Diet. But, there are also some pretty kooky aspects to some of the followers. And this article shines a light on some real Paleo nut-bars.

Too bad the writer didn't take a more objective look at the diet. A little scientific research would have shown how implementing even the most "normal" aspects of this diet into a typical "Western" lifestyle pays off in some major ways

Anyone wishing to learn more - start with this article - http://www.healthhabits.ca/2008/05/10/news-flash-caveman-diet-goodyour-diet-bad/

Funny take on it:

http://trueslant.com/katiedrummond/2010/01/11/caveman-diet-paleo-eating-raw-meat-diet/

This sounds like something out of a Chuck Palhaniuk novel..

Read this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34433388/ns/technology_and_science-science/

You are a brain washed fool.

that was a reply to felix the vegetarian cat.

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paleohipsters.

hunt animals, hunt any animal, a starving or sick animal even, eat bugs and worms, hang your kill at room temp, fight off wild animals that smell your meat, poop outdoors as safe as possible from your cave door, drink unfiltered water from rivers and murky pools,

fight and defend against roving tribes of other caveman clans who want your women and hunting grounds.......

etc etc..

otherwise bulk choice cuts vaccuum plastic wrapped in a freezer IS NOT caveman. neither is hairgel and eyeglasses, is toothpaste allowed? how about those fashionable clothes, walked around covered in untanned hides recently? all those workouts? looks good right, cavemen also lived hard lives, prob looked limber because of disease and starvation not fad diets and workout routines.

wanna be a caveman? depends? ready to bash a skull with a rock? bite into someones face, kill with your bare hands or thrust a stick into your rivals torso?

sounds like a new geico commercial may be in the works....

The problem with this paleo fad, as read about in the NYT but also practiced by folks I know, is that it assumes a LOT about the hunter-gatherer diet that is out of line with what anthropologists have actually documented as the diets of hunter-gatherer peoples. "Paleolithic" is somewhat racist - sure thats when European peoples were hunting and gathering as a way of life, but it is still the primary food sourcing for plenty of folks in New Guinea, parts of Africa, and parts of the Amazon. So if we're going to "go paleo" and eat as hunter-gatherers, we should probably not conjecture about what pre-historic Europeans did, we should go out and look at what actual hunter-gatherers today do. And guess what? Only 30% of the hunter-gatherer diet comes from hunting. The rest comes from gathering (see Nancy Bonvillain): fruits, seeds, vegetables, and yes, asshats, grains. Wild grains, sure, but grains. They also collect things like honey and do a fair amount of processing food; most brew some sort of alcohol.

Want to cut out overprocessed or distantly sourced foods? Great, but stop it with the racist paleolithic bullshit. It is NOT getting in touch with distant ancestors and how they ate because it is a conjecture based upon racist assumptions without any data or input from how actual hunter-gatherers live. Plus whose to say that our bodies stopped evolving at some point? Cattle-herding societies (French, as ancient Gauls) tend not to have lactose intolerance, but non-cattle herding societies (like, Jews, and other Semetic peoples, who herded goats and sheep) tend to have high rates of lactose intolerance and cow-milk allergies. I see evolution - those Gauls who weren't lactose intolerant farted less and reproduced more, leading to fewer and fewer cases of lactose intolerance. "Natural" selection in the age of agriculture! Culture can influence genetics! Shock of shocks!

I've followed the paleo diet to some degree for over a year. At times strict, at others as a flexible objective and it's done wonders, truth be told. I don't know about the guy in the article and have no interest in intermittent fasting, but as far of food choices, it makes great sense and has helped spare me from what I thought were to be lifelong stomach issues. Not only that, but my general sense of well-being and energy has improved. It's also made me far more aware of the effect non-paleo food choices have on me.

As for cavemen dying at a younger age, no kidding. Something about a far more difficult and dangerous way of life mixed in with lack of emergency services and medicine will probably do that.

I just started eating "paleo" about a week ago, and aside from having to give up pasta I have no complaints. It's all about quality proteins, replacing sugar and starch calories with good fats, eating lots of veggis, some fruit and nuts. Really pretty easy. I've already lost 6 pounds, I eat as much or as little as I want to, and I don't suffer from food comas or post meal grogginess anymore.

Felix, you're an idiot. Humans evolved eating lots of meat and fish. Your vegan revisionism is bunch of horseshit.

http://www.vegsource.com/news/2009/11/the-comparative-anatomy-of-eating.html

Read this, you know nothing about evolution.

Even better than that, researchers say humans would never have gotten where we are had homo erectus not started hunting for and eating the high quality protein in meats. That protein allowed a sudden jump in brain development and size on the evolutionary scale.

Certain militant elements of society are self-contradictory. They go around saying veganism is the best way to go and that it decreases one's carbon footprint but at the same time say we should pamper our pets. Never mind that large dogs have an enormous carbon footprint and even food for one housecat has as large a carbon footprint in its production and transport as a small car, thanks to the fact that cats are obligate carnivores.

From the asshole that bought a cat from a breeder. What an idiot. seriously.

Nicely put.

I think I saw one of them at the Bronx Zoo trying to score some bush meat...

"has emerged over the last year as a chieftain of sorts among 10 or so other cavemen."

Ten or so? That's neither a 'trend' nor a 'craze'.

That's a minyan.

Yes, early cavemen in their comfortable UES apartments with copious amounts of food. Sound like the halcyon days of substance hunting & gathering.

I'd like to play catch with him and some rocks. I'll throw, he can try and catch them.

Vegan diets works for you, the planet and the animals. This fad-caveman is such a joke. Basically, according to Linnaeus the father of Taxonomy and the classification of animals, Humans are in the Frugivorus category, meaning we have an anatomy very close to the primates, specifically the Gorilla, which is a vegetarian in the wild.

A great article below gives us some insight into what our diet is supposed to be based on our anatomy.

The Comparative Anatomy of Eating

by Milton R. Mills, M.D.

http://www.vegsource.com/veg_faq/comparative.htm

Felix - You are obviously very against the Caveman, and I really should just keep my questions to myself, but I have to ask: Did a caveman touch you in your "no-no" spot when you were still just a kitty?

I don't know what special spot you are referring to? Why don't you show me?

felix, did you ever think that replying to your own comment several times in every post you comment in might be perceived by others as more than a little nutty and, because of that nuttiness, your points aren't taken seriously? Your heart is in the right place but you come across as a fruitcake whose opinions can easily be disregarded. By looking like a clown you're never going to persuade people to give up meat, or oppose Mayor Bloomberg and Speaker Quinn, or be kinder to animals. Just a thought...

Many people are dumb and calling me a fruitcake because I reply to myself doesn't make sense. The apathy, shallowness and lack of research is why people are assholes not because I reply to myself on occasions. it's not my heart but it's facts. Facts that people should know.

cavemen died at the age of 30 with no teeth and horrible arthritis.

Try to eat lots of meat and fish like this article says our ancestors did and cut your life short by 30 years. Great advice! People keep trying to reinvent the wheel with the topic of diet when it is so simple. Eat a wide variety of natural and real, unprocessed food; the majority organic fruits and vegetables.

but dead cows and dead pigs taste so good... not to mention dead lamb and dead baby cows.

We're all happy that you love animals and that you are a vegan...we really are. We love that you tell us about it nearly every single day, as well...we really do.

http://www.vegsource.com/veg_faq/comparative.htm

Educate yourself

one of the caveman lives in the UES, what a joke, i hope he gets mad cow disease.