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"No Feet On Seats" Rule Is In Effect On Trains — Even At 2:30 AM

No matter the time of day — nor the number of empty seats in the subway car — transit cops can issue tickets to straphangers who take up more than one seat. And according to two commuters who were hit with $50 summonses on nearly empty trains passing through the 96th Street station after midnight, the city is undergoing a ticketing blitz (again).

Officers gave Fashion Institute of Technology student Josh Stevens back-to-back violations at the 96th Street station on Nov. 19 and 20 for taking up too much space at around 2:30 am, according to the Post. "After the second time, I asked the officer, 'Really, what's going on? Why is this happening?'" the Harlem resident and Cincinnati native said. "And he told me, 'Recently we've been told to write tickets instead of give warnings for this type of thing.' He said they need to hit quotas." Stevens admitted to stretching out the first time, but in the second case he insists he merely had his legs crossed. "The officer said it was a danger because people can get robbed on the subway if they fall asleep, which I didn't. Give me a break."

And this month, transit police ticketed waiter Andres Alzamora for occupying more than one seat on the 2 train at around 2:30 a.m, though the 58-year-old claims he just had his legs in front of the space next to him. "There was no one else in the subway with me," he said. "They just want to make money." An NYPD spokesman denied that there has been an uptick in ticketing. As of this time last year, 760 straphangers were hit with summonses for taking up more than on seat. So far this year, 784 such summonses have been issued. The ticketing is bound to continue — at least until the Metropolitan Transportation Authority launches its much-anticipated seatless trains.

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  • greengrasscat

    People know what they are doing, whether it is standing in subway car doorways at stops, leaning on top of other passengers, squeezing themselves into seats regardless of whether there is enough space or not. We live with thousands of selfish behaviorism a day-but my guess is that its getting harder to tolerate on the subway, given the more violent encounters of the past two weeks (the teenager who stabbed a subway molester, the woman who got hit as she tried to intervene in an altercation).

    I wouldnt put bare feet on a seat as bad a trangression as not offering your seat to an elderly person or a pregnant passenger (have some freaking self respect and decency, people!) but its not cool either. i say bring in the train cops during rush hour until we all remember our manners. some of the "nicest" most middle class people could use a refresher course on how to share space.

  • LB

    This is a sad fashion statement in this city today . No Grown man should be rocking Flip-flops anywhere outside of their home ! No grown man should be rocking sandels, or open toed footwear on the street . That's for the beach ! nobody wants to see or smell your funky-ass feet on a subway train , or bus . As for the occupying more then one seat, They should get tickets for it every single time they do it ! I don't mean just the minorities, EVERYBODY ! I can't tell you how many times I've seen (Not Minorities) people with there feet, bags, and bodies draped across seats on the train and cops just ignor and walk by them . Reason why this happens ?Because it's a hell of a lot easier to give a minority a ticket for this infringment, Then it is to do the same for a not minority . Because there is more of a chance that the "Non Minority" will file a complaint,file a lawsuit, nd generally be a pain in that cops ass if they give them the ticket for it !

  • 5borough

    Lived in the City my whole life, rode the trains my whole life, have never had the thought that I deserved to put my feet on a seat that some one else might want to use (when the train fills, after I get off).

    Also, they should arrest people for putting their wet umbrellas on the seats and making rainy day commuting even worse.

  • janelle

    i'm all for this - ticket away. in fact, the PD needs to be more diligent. maybe they could start hanging around during rush hours and get the idiots who insist on holding their scalding hot coffee dangerously close to others' faces.

  • LB

    Smack the shit out of them, Don't be afraid ! If they place there hot coffee near your face , You can always use the "Woman" defense . Seriously !! That's dangerous .

  • moonbeam

    The careless coffee splashers annoy me, too. I've had coffee spilled on my dry clean only business clothes by these idiots more times than I can count.

  • BklynsFinest

    *YAWN* it's a law. it's shitty, and it's a shitty LAW. You will be ticketed. If you've gotten over, regardless of whether you're young old, from ohio, or whatever, you got off, lucky.

    But to make a be deal because it's an obviously moneymaking ploy, is to ignore the fact that when there's laws we have the choice to follow or take our chances with an unfavorable outcome.

    Anybody crying about how unfair this story is, needs to get up outta here. Punk ass.

  • HBHB

    Just last year I got pulled off an empty car for having my foot up on the seat. It was around 4am on the D. Got yanked off a couple stops shy of the end of the line at Coney. They rushed me hard. Had to sit on a bench with some wild drunk for close to an hour while they ran my license. Madness.

  • theLtrain

    Plenty of people get summonses for all sorts of retarded things everyday in the city. Stop giving these whining transplants attention.

  • potsmoker

    you trust the nypd? haahha

    im amazed they havent run their shopping bag sting operation. dozens of people have been busted for stealing a shopping bag left unattended in the subway.

    problem is there is no law that says you cant pick up property lost on the subway even if you didnt intend to return it to lost & found or attmempt to find its owner.

    this is the nypd at work, they dont work to make you safe, they work to collect revenue.

    fuck em all.

  • potsmoker

    ozik that was the dumbest thing i ever read,

    cops are not patrolling, they are collecting revenue.

    silver has it right.

    whats the point of riding the train when no revenue collecting or arrest activities will happen while your standing there, they stand on the platform wait until a train pulls into the station, pick people off the train, give them tickets, lather, rinse, repeat for the entire shift.

    if you think that this creates safety...youre an idiot.

    this is an example where the authority of the state overreaches and encroaches on the autonomy of the individual. yeah, get that a-hole laying across three seats or putting their feet up during rush hour while people are standing and too weakwilled to demand a seat, but doing this on the overnight shift is plain shitty.

    does placing your feet on a seat define disorderly conduct as written into the MTA rules, of course not.

    but when you have rich white people write rules its generally written so that no loophole exists and grants the police every and any angle to collect revenue.

    heres an example:

    some passengers “jump” a turnstile when their improperly swiped or malfunctioning pay-per-ride MetroCard does not grant access, only to discover, after the fact, that a fare had been deducted from their card. These situations may not give rise to a sustainable charge of theft of services, however, “turnstile jumping” and related conduct, whatever the stated rationale, creates an environment of disorder including the perception among other passengers that the fare was evaded. ***

    *** see MTA stealing your fare by deducting it from your card but not granting you access is OK, its not a crime by the MTA to steal your money, but a crime by hopping because people might think your stealing services, WOW.

    thanks to bloomberg we have pregnant women getting tickets for sitting on the steps even if they are sick,

    i once saw a guy getting a ticket for screaming AAA_YOO to his freidn across the street, another DC ticket,

    i once saw a cop give a ticket to a guy who hopped over a park bench to enter a field, ticket for entering the park by unauthorized entry, look at the examples, improper use of a milk crate, want more examples why bloomturd and ghouliani and the nypd are a-sholes

    just ask, i have a ton of them.

    my favorite was a kid from my hood, he got a ticket for not wearing a shirt!!! for real!

    fire them all and lets start over.



  • ozik

    A little ramblish there, go figure.

    Read the res of the many comments for some pretty good justifications as to why people shouldn't put their feet on the seats. It's a pretty simple act for better city hygiene, something we should all be able to get behind.

    That police get on the cars, look around and ticket is fine. It's a more efficient way to patrol subway cars than riding around in one car. For that matter, though, I have seen police walk the length of trains without locked doors. I've also seen police get on, ride one stop, and get off.

    The rest of the police assholery you list has nothing to do with this, except as an example of police sometimes wasting their time. I suspect you think that you are somehow proving putting your feet on the seats isn't wrong by grouping it with other crimes you don't think are wrong, which isn't really a good argument.

  • ozik

    If police are on the trains giving tickets for this sort of crap, it means police are on the trains in case someone gets robby or stabby or threateny. If those police were on the trains for the big crimes and NOT handing out tickets for misdemeanors, it wouldn't be using their time efficiently.

    That said, there aren't enough police to go around - we should ALL say something when people are asses on the train.

  • ozik

    So what? Their in the transit system, that's enough.

  • silver

    They aren't on the trains. They are on the platform. 1 cop for every 2 cars, steps in, looks, grabs whoever he wants, then they wave to the conductor to let the train go.

  • HBHB

    You got it. They nabbed me last summer on the D. They also think at those late hours everyone is either stoned or drunk and they blast that baton of theirs against the pole or seat. Nearly gave my sober tired ass a heart attack.

  • I was arrested for having my feet up on the seat, recently.

    A couple of weeks ago, I was one stop from the station where I get off for work at a magazine off the Kings Highway F train stop. I had my feet up and an officer stepped on the train. He pulled me aside and ran my name.

    It turned out I had a warrant out for my arrest for not paying for an open bottle of beer I had on the street in February. I didn't recall the ticket for the beer--possibly because I was, you know, intoxicated at the time.

    So for a foot up on the subway and an open bottle of beer almost a year ago, I was put through the whole arraignment tour. First I was held in a cell at the Coney Island precinct, and then I was brought to central booking. For a foot up on a bench and an open bottle of beer, I was imprisoned for a day of my life with pedophiles, violent crime offenders, and a handful of other unlucky men.

    The moral of the story? Don't trust the cops. They can and will imprison you at a moment's notice for next to nothing.

    And on Thanksgiving night, a man was shot in the head on my stoop. My downstairs neighbor's grandson walked outside with his brother and was shot in the head by one of a group of youths. There was only a brief mention of this on the gothamist newsmap. That and a brief paragraph on the local news were the only coverage the murder got. As far as I know, the murder remains unsolved.

    Why? Possibly because the cops are too busy meeting their ticket quota for people with their feet up on subway trains to solve murders in low-income parts of Brooklyn.

  • inoyourider

    Bet you'll pay your fine promptly next time.

  • Reflect

    I got this same ticket on Jay street In brooklyn at 2 am like 5 years ago.

    glad I never showed up or paid it. Seems my life has gone on, Get real on real crime guys.

  • inoyourider

    Awesome.

    A little enforcement maybe will get people back in line on the subway at ALL hours.

    I'm tired of the bullshit I see and welcome ticket-writing as enforcement.

    And if enforcing laws brings in revenue, great.

    All you have to do is not break the law and there won't be any tickets.

    Pretty fucking simple.

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