Times Square Shooting: Peddler's Semiautomatic Jammed

Actually, a couple of guys hawkin' the CDs approached me and my date once on 57th Street. They said they were trying to get the word out on the artist. I wasn't interested but gave 'em a couple of bucks and wished them well. They didn't bother us.

"I’m on a mission on Times Square wishin’ that a cop die before he reach me. I’ll look into that cop’s eye…before he duck caps."

THAT was his rap? The NARAS they can send their special Grammy along with the Planned Parenthood citation to Newsom for his job well done.

Do you realize there were several grammatical errors in those lines? "I’m on a mission on Times Square wishin’ that a cop die before he reach me. I’ll look into that cop’s eye…before he duck caps."

Most of those lines don't even rhyme, what gives? And why didn't Mr. Martinez "duck caps" hisself wen the gun jam?

'Cause he was as effective a gunman as he was a rapper.

I bet his shite music's worth more now than it was at 11:13 am on Thursday. Anybody check eBay yet?

Didn't he record on the "Dead Jam" label? My copies say Capitol.

I just bought a half dozen autographed copies of his latest album on Canal Street. Anyone interested in buying one?

"Busta Macs"

another "aspiring rapper".........couldn't stitch two sentences together or write a friggin nursery rhyme.

Can I just add that I hate rap music? Thanks.

+1 (just sayin')

Just because Pac and BIG sold records after dying, doesn't mean you will.

Silly kids.

Dumb rappers need teaching.

I guess there are ten girls out there looking for a new boss.

dont give scum that much credit

The ten is referring to the ten hookers he had working for him.

maybe 10 baby momma's

Fuck this shithead and his scumbag mother.

Another worthless piece of trash off the streets, good riddance.

And thankfully we don't have to pay to keep this animal behind bars or give him the death penalty and legal appeals.

His family should be billed for any damages caused by this garbage.

since this "human" didn't have a legit job, someone needs to contact the nys benefit dept and cancel his benefit card. the rest of us have been feeding him for years while he ripped off our great tourists for thousands. scum!

Damn right they should cancel his benefits.

"He was also an aspiring rapper "

Seems like I read that said about every dirtbag who tries to kill a cop bites the dust.

Thanks to Sgt. Newsome & the men & women like him who put their lives on the line every day to help us safe.

http://www.dnainfo.com/20091211/manhattan/times-square-shooter-raymond-martinez-lived-hustlers-life-full-of-guns-drugs-rap

Lets see? He was scamming/robbing tourists, smoking pot, or being a pimp with as many as 10 girls working for him. And sometimes he would "lay down tracks" or "hang" with his buddies.

oh OF COURSE theres a picture of him with Sharpton. ROFL. Oh man that scumbag could not be any more blind to his own filth. Rap music should be outlawed. Bloomberg's stormtroopers should pull people out of their homes at 4 am searching for rap music. When found those people are shipped by freight train to an interment camp. Time to teach all the 'good boy' black males they need to get a real job and function in society. I wonder what percentage of nyc's black males aged 14-34 are currently 'aspiring rappers'? 70%? 80%?

I'm wondering how you can put "smoking pot" in between "robbing tourists" and "being a pimp"

Let me guess, you grew up during the Reagan administration.

"He was a good guy (aren't they all?). He was not evil (yes he was)," while Martinez's mother said, "I want justice... That was my beloved son. I want to know why the cop didn't shoot him in the leg or something."

Fucktards and their mothers need to learn something, when you take aim, or shoot at the police, protocol and training are to shoot at the largest mass, the torso. Not the leg, not the arm, not the pinky toes, the fucking torso, the object is to kill the threat, which was done... I'm sure the thousands of witnesses will attest to that, as well as the hundreds of video cameras in the area.

Well done, NYPD, another dead rat.

I read somewhere that reverend Al consoled the distraught mother telling her that he will file a civil rights suit against the company that makes the MAC 10 (or was it a knockoff) plus the ammo maker for false promises. Plus he noted that the weapon and the ammo were still under warranty.

Why is everyone so quick to believe that this is some kind of robbery? there are rappers who do record and sell their own CD's they're pushy sure but so are the dianetics people when they set up their table or those canvasing for greenpeace or trying to sell a salon package to women that does not make it a robbery.

dianetics people don't carry around MAC-10's.

greenpeace people--and their equivalents--don't carry MAC-10's.

salon package people don't carry MAC-10's.

and if this former aspiring-artist hadn't carried a MAC-10, he'd still be alive.

but he isn't. the majority of this thread's point is:

DON'T CARRY A FUCKING GUN!

dumb and dumber!

What was this guy "fighting" for? his right to be an idiot?

"I want justice... That was my beloved son. I want to know why the cop didn't shoot him in the leg or something."

...uhhh, because he had a machine gun, dummy.

Although, I'm sure he was a "good kid."

"Aspiring rapper?

Good boy?

Quiet?

About to turn life around?"

taken from the earlier article. it's like fortune-telling... and sad.

http://www.kctv5.com/video/21914417/index.html

These thinks can happen fast, seemingly out of nowhere.

holy shit that was scary. i also understand better why sometimes there're so many shots too. . .

i'm gonna have trouble sleeping tonight.

thanks buddy.

or things.

I don't know how I forgot to write that "they should've shot him in the leg, gun out of hand, whatever."

I'll remember for next time.

...but on the plus side, Times Square was gritty again for about twenty minutes.

this guy was surely a scum, dangerous to society, raised inproperly in a scurvy environment with extremely poor morals and values. I'm glad he's dead

But what about the music industry, which perpetuates and even encourages this kind of "gangster" culture and behavior? They make billions of dollars while the african-american and latino communities get flooded with all that BS culture. Its like systemized brainwashing from the moment they are born.. systemized intellectual destruction

Personally I wish that this whole "hip hop" gangster culture would just disappear from the face of the earth.. it really brings down the quality of your life if you live especially in NY, since you end up having to deal with them occasionally.. and it almost always ends up an unproductive, distasteful deal or interaction

Yeah, it would have been so much better if this thug was an aspiring Leonard Bernstein.

THIS IS ALL A CONSPIRACY BY THE SAME NWO ILLUMINATI MASTERMINDS BEHIND 9-11!

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IF WE LET OBAMA TRY TERRORISTS THE LEGAL WAY THEN ALL THE MUSLIM TERRORISTS WILL ATTACK!

real gangsters use revolvers. lawls

stories like this make me so happy! I love it when these people get killed. Way to go officer. Hope he gets a big christmas bonus for that one.

I could hear about these rodents getting shot to death every day. Keep em comin!

I don't know about "happy". But definitely a little safer for sure.

It's sad when people are considered Heros for doing their jobs.

Doing your job as an accountant does not make you a hero. Risking your life and saving others makes you a hero because that's a hell of a hard job.

If an accountant whistleblows for the greater good than he is a hero. it sometimes seems that Hero is use too loosely. Guiliani is considered a hero by some for being a mayor.(bad mayor in my opinion) ;O

An accountant would consider that "doing their job."

I am an accountant (well that's what my diploma says), and we simply call that "being honest" and "staying out of jail".

true.

Agreed, but when one's job involves putting yourself the the line of fire in front of a semi-automatic weapon, possibly preventing a bloodbath, I think the name "Hero" fits. Cap'n Scully was "just doing his job" as well, and deserved the praise he received. (If I was unclear in my oriinal post I think Cap'n Scully is still a hero, just no longer the "latest".

Although the guy's mom is wrong, everyone hopes that their mother would have their back, no matter what, especially in death.

Christopher Newsom has just replaced Captain "Scully" as New York City's latest hero.

He shouldn't have to pay for his drinks for life (next round's on me!)

where's the myspace photo of him with Reverand Al?

When 'Keepin It Real' goes wrong.

This story smells mighty fishy. what a convenient note he had on him disparaging the police. And he fired off only 2 shots from a semi-automatic gun and then it suddenly jammed?

He was using a crap gun. For the record, technically I don't believe it is a MAC 10- which is full auto.

As I mentioned on a previous thread, these guys get these guns because they think they look bad ass. He probably never even shot it. If you shoot most semis with "loose wrist" they will jam.

"He was using a crap gun. For the record, technically I don't believe it is a MAC 10- which is full auto."

As mentioned earlier, it was a Masterpiece Arms MPA-30, a semi-auto 9-mm. Retails for around $400, so not the cheapest gun available but definitely not a top of the line weapon. You won't see MA guns used by law enforcement or the military.

" He probably never even shot it. If you shoot most semis with "loose wrist" they will jam."

Absolutely right. Obviously a guy like this has never been to a gun range, and if he ever had fired the gun before it was probably a shot or two for fun when under no pressure at all. Learning to fire a semi quickly without jamming takes practice.

Are you for training these guys to use the guns properly?

because if you get a gun it is better to know how to point and shoot your target, right?

Then we will have even more dead people on a daily basis.

Let's not learn how to use the brain , but let's do become professionals at gun action.

Gimmee a break. Peddler obviously never used his brain in his life. I have-and so I want to be able to protect myself by properly knowing how to fire a firearm.

true, limp wristing can cause jams.

my bro was an armourer at ft. hood, guys would come back complaining bout the gun, he just dips it in CLP and tell them it's not the gun, it's the shooter.

A cheap blackmarket semi-auto pistol that was likely poorly maintained and rarely used jammed while being fired in a panic? Naaaah.

"In another video, Martinez seems to rap an eerie premonition of his death, ... weapons that 'jam on me.'"

I think this is all that needs to be known.

You do realize that there are a handful of witnesses, including a security guard who saw the guy pull the gun, and videotape from security cameras?

http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r287/feanor_album/obvious_troll.jpg

where? just show the tape.

oh I'm a troll? then let's meet in the marquis tunnel.

just show the tapes.

they show the tapes of the aux cops in the village, they showed the tapes from the shimenshenko car stop.

"just show the tapes.

they show the tapes of the aux cops in the village, they showed the tapes from the shimenshenko car stop."

Each of which weren't released until a few days after the incident. This just happened yesterday. The tapes will probably be out in a couple of days. If that doesn't happen, then there may be reason to think there is some big conspiracy to explain the dozen witnesses telling the same story and the bullet hole in the window behind the cop.

are the mags usually ejected or out of the gun?

and what about that business card? that's the dumbest crap I've ever heard, handwriting analysis please. like this guy could write a novel on the back of a business card.

let's just see the tapes. wasn't there another incident in the marriot marquis tunnel? that tunnel is trouble or it hides trouble.

Does it get more hackneyed than "aspiring rapper?" Here's one you never hear with similar likelihood of success/fame: "Aspiring Yankees Center Fielder Gunned Down in Times Square"

that 1st photo by the NYPD is pretty great!

Evil or not, between those rap lyrics and the messages written on those cards it's obvious that Martinez had every intention of going down in a hail of bullets if NYPD ever tried to arrest him. No injustice there - he got what he wanted.

Agreed. It should be a crime to raise your son as a thug, and the mother should be arrested for child negligence as well.

Wasn't this an episode of Dave Chappelle's "When 'Keeping it Real' Goes Wrong" ?

In any event, it sounds like Martinez got both what he wanted and what he deserved. His mom will obviously be in a lot of grief, and is also in denial, and let's face it, if her kid is a thief/con artist/ aspiring rapper who is carrying a gun in time sqaure, she's also a pretty abject failure as a parent, so let's not lay into her too hard for saying such insane and ridiculous things as "i want justice" and "they should have shot him in the leg". what more would we expect from her? Although if she wants justice, she can certainly be sent a bill for a new bulletproof vest for the cop, any damaged property from the shootout, and reimbursements for the people that her son conned/robbed.

Give the mother a break. Obviously he deserved what he got, but he's still her son. If she's anything like an average mother she still sees him as a little boy and is blind to his faults. She still lost a son, even if he was a homicidal monster.

what is it they say about the apple and the tree?

Right, because every criminal has criminal parents. I'm not saying justice wasn't served, that cop deserves a ticker tape parade more than the Yankees, but put yourself in the mother's shoes. What is she supposed to say, "oh yeah, that child I carried for 9 months, rocked to sleep as a baby, etc etc deserves what he got! Good riddance!"?

She's in denial and grieving. Don't start hating on her until she sues.

i tuned out after she said "i want justice" which implies that this wasn't his fault, and yes hinting at a future lawsuit. if i was in her shoes, i would have nothing to say to the press and would have smothered him with a pillow long ago.

Nothing I could say in response to you would top you suggesting that you would smother your own child because you think he's a bad apple.

fair enough.

Justice was done. Another idiot punk is off the streets. Somehow I doubt if he were still alive the next time he pulled a stunt like this (and there is always a next time) some innocent person would have ended up dead by one of his stray bullets.

err, meant to say 'somehow I have NO doubt'

I agree, but lets hope she does not have anymore than the two involved yesterday.

It's scary to think those Times Square ripoff guys are carrying Mac-10's.

I think they saw this crackdown coming and this wretched idiot decided to make his last stand.

His mom wants justice? Looks like that's already been done.

Exactly!

the gun must've been a knock-off too...

and by the way, adding to the stereotype: "an aspiring rapper?" ugh... there're 30,000 other things one can do in this world mostly ending in a long, happy life. and a good woman, loving children, etc, etc, etc.

"the gun must've been a knock-off too..."

Pretty gray area as to what that would mean. There are at least a half dozen US manufacturers (as well as others around the world) who make a gun using that design. The original was from Military Armament Corporation, which is where the "MAC" comes from -- but they never even officially named it a MAC-10, they call it an M10.

"MAC-10" really refers to a particular design, not to a particular model of gun from a particular manufacturer.

According to the Daily News, this was a Masterpiece Arms 9-mm. That means it also isn't officially a "MAC-10." They call it an MPA-10.

Here it is:

https://www.masterpiecearms.com/proddetail.php?prod=MPA10T-A

Actually mistaken there. That's a .45; came across it by looking for the MPA-10 but if this guy's gun really was a 9-mm it's actually an MPA-30.

Judging by the pic in the DN, it had a 3.25-inch barrel and no scope mount, so it'd be this one:

https://www.masterpiecearms.com/proddetail.php?prod=MPA930T-A

Thanks Charlton.

"He was also an aspiring rapper"

How come almost everyone that the NYPD kills is an aspiring rapper?

"I want justice"

Anyones heard the good reverend yet?

"why the cop didn't shoot him in the leg or something?"

My Question. Why did your son/rapper have a machine gun in Times Square. This is darwinism at it's best.

Sgt. Newson deserves a Combat Cross award imediatly on live TV.

Good job boss.

"aspiring rapper" a.k.a. unemployed and livin' with momma. this species may often be seen spitting mumbled lyrics to himself on the subway.

'Aspiring rapper' is the aughts version of 'aspiring basketball player' i.e. the easiest way to get make money without actually going to school or learning how to do anything.

Maybe this is the reason all the rap out there is junk

As biggie said "either you slingin' crack rock or you got a wicked jump shot."

Officer Newsom should have used his taser instead of his gun. That way the defendant would've survived and brought before a court of law, after which he will be sentenced fairly for his crimes.

Hopefully he would have learned the error of his ways in prison and again be welcomed back into society with open arms where he can easily find work and again continue to contribute to society and abide by the law.

If he did that, the CDs would cost $18.99.

I see what you did there.

Perhaps someone can explain how the con works. So, they ask you your name, they write it on a CD and then ask you for $10......and people give them the money!?!? Why?? For What!??

Makes. No. Sense.

I don't know all the details of this, but if I understand correctly it's more a straight-up robbery than a con.

Here's how I think it works: The thug writes the tourist's name on the CD, and then says that the tourist agreed to buy the CD (because why else would the thug have written the name on it?). When the tourist inevitably protests that he never agreed to any such thing, the thug gets angry and starts making threats -- either threatening to call the cops, or threatening violence. (Given the handgun, I'm guessing the latter.) The tourist then gives the thug $10 to get out of the situation.

The thug can claim that he's out there selling CD's -- it gives the thinnest veneer of legitimacy. But it's a mugging, plain and simple.

D'oh! Too slow. Gotta stop letting "work" get in the way of posting.

Scam or not it's Times Square,

I would bet the most heavily surveillanced area of the city. all the tourists need to do is walk one or two blocks down to the NYPD station, or just keep walking till you see a cop.

hey kelly show the videotape.

Yep -- and that's what the smart ones do. (Well, the smart ones don't tell them their names in the first place.)

But at least some percentage of people -- when faced with one or more large (and in this case armed) men threatening them in an unfamiliar or foreign place -- just hand over the money.