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Parking Ticket Grace Period Vetoed by Bloomberg

120909mike.jpg Last week a Bronx motorist threw a ticket agent's hand-held computer to the ground during an angry dispute over a parking ticket issued minutes after his Muni-Meter expired. "I get a five-minute grace period. It was in the media, today on the news," George Collazo reportedly yelled during the altercation. George, if you're reading this, we regret to inform you that your grace is still denied.

Yesterday Mayor Bloomberg made good on his threat to veto a parking grace period bill passed by the City Council last month by a vote of 47-2. The bill would give drivers an extra five minutes past the expired time on Muni-Meters and alternate-side parking (but not coin-operated, single-space meters.) As he proscribed grace, Hizzoner declared, "While characterized as a 'grace period' to benefit drivers who are rushing to their vehicles, this universal extension of time for drivers would have the practical effect of impeding traffic flow and disrupting street cleaning operations. It would thus have a negative impact on the quality of life for all city residents. Additionally, the bill could generate confusion for drivers and prove difficult to enforce." (You do hate to see that.)

City Councilman Simcha Felder wasn't happy about the veto, and the City Council may override it: "People are getting tired of the gotcha. I'm a big supporter of the mayor's, but I respectfully disagree. The [five-minute grace period] was in effect for many years without anyone having any difficulty." Indeed, there used to be an informal grace period when traffic enforcement was controlled by the DOT. When the NYPD took over, traffic agents were instructed to ticket immediately.

According to an analysis conducted by the Times last year, almost 300,000 alternate side violations were issued within five minutes of the rule taking effect in 2007. Of those, nearly 28,000 tickets were issued exactly on the hour that the rule went into effect.

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  • dwarbi

    One of the sides of the street on my block has no parking rules (for street cleaning) Wednesday from 11AM - 12:30PM.



    The cleaners came by at 11:01.



    That said, the whole "street cleaning" thing, as it's set up now, is a joke. Another topic for another day...

  • hotstepper

    bloomberg is still a nut sac, hipsters still self-righteously despise cars, road-hoggin' squares still hate cyclists, and the world still turns.

  • trady

    Wait, so double-parking is ILLEGAL??? Wow I wouldn't have guessed that since I NEVER see DP'd cars (not the ones DP'd for street cleaning) get tickets! I just moved to NYC 6 mths ago and I thought it was so crazy (not to mention dangerous) that people are allowed to DP on many major streets. If DP were ticketed, do you know how much $$ this city could make?! I saw a sign that said that people have to be idling if they are DP'd. That's so insane!! People shouldn't be allowed to DP period! So much traffic is caused by DPing. I can't believe this city is so uptight about expired meters when they could be making oodles of $$ off all the DPers.

  • DP'd, DP. DPing, DPers!

  • Snoopy

    Nice conjugation of the verb. I believe it's from the Latin verb "to double park."

  • JenChungsBaby

    Welcome to New York. It's not technically legal to double park during street cleaning but some police precincts have tacit understandings that they'll allow it. And I don't know where you saw that sign about idling, but believe it or not idling the engine of any motor vehicle for more than three minutes is in fact illegal unless the engine is needed for something like keeping a refrigerated truck cold.

  • There are already enough arguments over parking tickets - the meter maids would have to start packing heat. Dumb idea to bring this public.

  • Snoopy

    I see we have a long four years ahead.

  • felixthecat2

    The problem with grace periods is that, like good deeds, they beget themselves. For a grace period to work, it has to be a secret. Otherwise, it is simply a later deadline, to be blown and then renegotiated. The City Council’s approach to timekeeping brought to mind that of the Mursi people of southwestern Ethiopia, who, Levine writes, “treat the calendar as something to be discussed and argued about . . . mak[ing] up the details as they go along.”

    Levine, reached on the telephone, said, “My guess would be that it’s meant to send a message of deference to people. It’s a clever way of saying, ‘I understand that I’m a public servant, that you are the people we’re serving.’ But, realistically, I don’t quite get it.”





    Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/talk/2009/12/07/091207ta_talk_collins#ixzz0ZCdpsWPq

  • Think2wice

    Thank god this motorists' entitlement nonsense has been put aside...for now.

  • Espiazul

    The meter runs out when it runs out.

  • imadick

    its more about the meter starting. where you park and have to walk half a block to get the munimeter pay station, then walk back to your car to put in the ticket.



    in those cases, it makes sense not to give the ticket, but do we really need a law?

  • felixthecat2

    Council Speaker Christine Quinn ducked today when asked for her opinion on the conflicting recollections of Councilman Simcha Felder and Mayor Bloomberg about how two influential Jewish nonprofits received a combined $1.5 million in mayoral discretionary funds between 2002 and 2006.



    Maybe there is a grace period for these 2 in jail.

  • imadick

    what's the full breakdown of discretionary funds throughout bloomberg's tenure?

  • felixthecat2

    Mayor Bloomberg showered cash on key City Council members with the power to kill a term-limits extension bill in the last year.

    Members of the council's Government Operations Committee have received millions from Hizzoner's slush fund, a once-secret pot of taxpayer money the mayor doles out to favored lawmakers for their pet causes.

    All the members are Democrats who will decide whether the change in term limits - which the mayor needs in order to run for a third term - goes before the council for a full vote.

    Five members of the committee secured $3.1 million from the $5.3 million stash in Bloomberg's 2008 budget.





    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/item_IHPhRF1WUhlX2PojTnXfyL#ixzz0ZCfGJgTx

  • jibbly

    The "grace period" is 5 minutes before your meter is up, deal with it.

  • drewo

    Car culture - what can it not screw up?

  • nicemarmot

    Tired of the "gotcha"? Where exactly is the gotcha?? I see people double parked, people parked in front of fire hydrants etc every single day in Manhattan. I see traffic agents all of once a week. They don't exactly seem to be lying in wait so they can jump out and give you a ticket the second your meter runs out.

  • Splicer

    Go to Astoria or Long Island City and you'll see a culture of unticketed double-parking. The white-capped enforcers seem to ignore the double-parkers and concentrate on meter violations and alternate side rules. The mayor should drive through this area if he wants to see traffic disruption that goes unpunished.



    Of course, this doesn't change the fact that Bloomberg comes across as a money grubber.

  • imadick

    double parking is legal during street cleaning.

  • BDS=(Boycott.Divest.Sanction)

    I wish it were. double parking is ILLEGAL even during street cleaning but all cops and most agents give you a pass because there is NO where to go. That said every so often I will get a ticket anyway and saying there was street cleaning does not get me off.

  • imadick

    i was less than a minute late and gotten a ticket. the traffic cops wait for the hour to change, then drive up and down the streets to give out tickets.

  • JenChungsBaby

    Sorry, but if you read to the end the Times says that in 2007 there were almost 28,000 that were issued exactly on the hour the parking rule went into effect -- as in, exactly at 11AM for NO PARKING 11AM - 1PM. So yes, they were waiting to jump out and give tickets.



    From a practical point of view, I just don't see what the mayor gains by vetoing this. The Council will easily override it, he'll take a political hit and lose some clout, and he'll seem cold-hearted and uncaring. He should have just signed the thing and been done with it.

  • aprilnyc

    Bottom line: use public transportation.

  • Think2wice

    And raise parking fees.

  • imadick

    you're smug, congratulations

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