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Same-Sex Marriage Bill REJECTED in New York State Senate

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The scene from an NYC Prop 8 protest last year. (Shield's Flickr)

After a lengthy debate, the New York State Senate voted 38-24 against a bill to legalize same-sex marriage. The Marriage Equality Act was finally brought to the floor for an up or down vote today after overcoming legislative roadblocks from opponents. During the emotional debate, one of the bill’s sponsors, State Senator Thomas K. Duane of Manhattan, who is gay, said, "This legislation would merely provide me and tens of thousands of other New Yorkers with equal rights in New York State. It would make me equal in every way to everyone else in this chamber."

But it was not to be, and the bill's main opponent, State Senator Rubén Díaz Sr. of the Bronx, reiterated his belief that marriage should be limited to a union between a man and woman, insisting that "not only the evangelicals, not only the Jews, not only the Muslims, not only the Catholics, but also the people oppose [same-sex marriage]." All the Republicans voted no, and they were were joined by several NYC Democrats, including Diaz, Hiram Monserrate, Joseph Addabbo, Shirley Huntley, George Onorato, and Carl Kruger. State Senator Eric Schneiderman, a Democrat who represents Manhattan and the Bronx, issued this statement:

"This is a sad day for the state of New York, and a heartbreaking defeat for equality. But this fight is far from over. Now that we know where every member of the Senate stands on the issue of marriage equality, we have our work cut out for us. We will keep fighting, keep working, and keep pushing until every New Yorker has the fundamental civil rights that come with a marriage license. The day will come soon when ALL men and women of this state will be recognized as equal, endowed by their Creator with the unalienable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Justice and equality will prevail."

Below, a list of how each Senator voted:

Ayes 24, Nays 38

Yea Eric Adams (D)

Nay Joe Addabbo (D)

Nay Jim Alesi (R)

Nay Darrel Aubertine (D)

Nay John Bonacic (R)

Yea Neil Breslin (D)

Nay John DeFrancisco (D)

Nay Ruben Diaz Sr. (D)

Yea Martin Malave Dilan (D)

Yea Tom Duane (D)

Yea Pedro Esapda Jr. (D)

Nay Hugh Farley (R)

No John Flanagan (R)

Yes Brian Foley (D)

No Chuck Fuschillo (R)

No Marty Golden (R)

No Joe Griffo (R)

No Kemp Hannon (R)

Yes Ruth Hassell-Thompson (D)

No Shirley Huntley (D)

Yes Craig Johnson (D)

No Owen Johnson (R)

Yes Jeff Klein (D)

Yes Liz Krueger (D)

No Carl Kruger (D)

No Andrew Lanza (R)

No Bill Larkin (R)

No Ken LaValle (R)

No Vincent Leibell (R)

No Tom Libous (R)

No Betty Little (R)

No Carl Marcellino (R)

No George Maziarz (R)

No Roy McDonald (R)

No Hiram Monserrate (D)

Yes Velmanette Montgomery (D)

No Tom Morahan (R)

No Mike Nozzolio (R)

No George Onorato (D)

Yes Suzi Oppenheimer (D)

No Frank Padavan (R)

Yes Kevin Parker (D)

Yes Bill Perkins (D)

No Mike Ranzenhofer (R)

No Joe Robach

No Saland

Yes John Sampson (D)

Yes Diane Savino (D)

Yes Eric Schneiderman (D)

Yes Jose M. Serrano (D)

No Jim Seward

No Dean Skelos (R)

Yes Malcolm Smith (D)

Yes Daniel Squadron (D)

No Bill Stachowski

Yes Toby Ann Stavisky

Yes Andrea Stewart-Cousins

No Young

[Via New York Observer]

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  • sextoys2you
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  • justiensorf

    I don't understand why same sex marriage is illegal.if they can stay happily with them self.Male Sex Toys

  • If someone wants to get married, let them, its personal choice.

  • tippelskirchi

    "Espada Jr. - Yes. 'Yes to this bill and to as many do-overs as we need to bring it home.'"



    First time I've ever been proud of my nasty state senator. (Not enough to want him in office, but still)



    Unbelievable how many senators from New York City voted against this.

  • kneeohsoul

    Our noise at the rally tonight is crucial, but getting in front of the people who let this happen is imperative.



    Joseph Addabbo

    addabbo@senate.ny.us

    159-53 102nd Street

    Howard Beach, NY 11414

    Phone: (718) 738-1111



    James Alesi

    alesi@senate.state.ny.us

    220 Packetts Landing

    Fairport, NY 14450

    Phone: (585) 223-1800

    Fax: (585) 223-3084



    Darrel Aubertine

    aubertin@senate.state.ny.us

    317 Washington Street

    4th Floor

    Watertown, NY 13601

    315-782-3418 (office) / 315-782-6357 (fax)



    John Bonacic

    bonacic@senate.state.ny.us

    201 Dolson Avenue, Suite F

    Middletown, NY 10940

    (845) 344 3311



    John DeFrancisco

    jdefranc@senate.state.ny.us

    800 State Office Building

    333 East Washington Street

    Syracuse, NY 13202

    (315) 428-7632



    Ruben Diaz

    diaz@senate.state.ny.us

    900 Rogers Place

    The Bronx, NY 10459

    Tel:(718) 991-3161 / Fax:(718) 991-0309



    Hugh Farley

    farley@senate.state.ny.us

    2430 Riverfront Center

    Amsterdam, NY 12010

    (518) 843-2188, fax (518) 843-8363



    John Flanagan

    flanagan@senate.state.ny.us

    260 Middle Country Road, Suite 203

    Smithtown, New York 11787

    631-361-2154

    631-361-5367 FAX



    Charles Fuschillo, Jr.

    fuschill@senate.state.ny.us

    5550 Merrick Road, Suite 205

    Massapequa, New York 11758-6238

    516-882-0630

    Fax: 516-882-0636



    Martin J. Golden

    golden@senate.state.ny.us

    7408 5th Avenue, 1st Floor

    Brooklyn, New York 11209

    Tel: (718) 238-6044 / Fax: (718) 238-6170



    Joseph Griffo

    griffo@senate.state.ny.us

    207 Genesee Street, Rm. 408

    Utica, New York 13501

    (315) 793-9072

    Fax: (315) 793-0298



    Kemp Hannon

    hannon@senate.state.ny.us

    224 7th Street

    Garden City, NY 11530

    Ph 516-739-1700



    Shirley Huntley

    shuntley@senate.state.ny.us

    161-10 Jamaica Avenue, Suite 504

    Jamaica, New York 11432

    (718) 523-3069 Office

    (718) 523-3670 Fax



    Owen Johnson

    ojohnson@senate.state.ny.us

    23-24 Argyle Square

    Babylon, NY 11702

    Tel: (631) 669-9200



    Carl Kruger

    kruger@senate.state.ny.us

    2201 Avenue U

    Brooklyn, NY 11229

    Tel: (718) 743-8610

    Fax: (718) 743-5958



    Andrew Lanza

    lanza@senate.state.ny.us

    3845 Richmond Ave.

    Suite 2A

    Staten Island, NY 10312

    (718) 984-4073



    Bill Larkin

    kruger@senate.state.ny.us

    2201 Avenue U

    Brooklyn, NY 11229

    Tel: (718) 743-8610

    Fax: (718) 743-5958



    Kenneth LaValle

    lavalle@senate.state.ny.us

    325 Middle Country Road, Suite 4

    Selden, NY 11784

    (631) 696-6900



    Vincent Leibell

    leibell@senate.state.ny.us

    1441 Route 22, Suite 205

    Brewster, NY 10509

    Phone: (845) 279-3773



    Tom Libous

    senator@senatorlibous.com

    1607 State Office Building

    44 Hawley Street

    Binghamton, NY 13901

    (607) 773-8771



    Elizabeth Little

    little@senate.state.ny.us

    5 Warren Street

    Suite 3

    Glens Falls, NY 12801

    Phone: (518) 743-0968



    Carl L. Marcellino

    marcelli@senate.state.ny.us

    250 Townsend Square

    Oyster Bay, NY 11771

    (516) 922-1811



    George Maziarz

    maziarz@senate.state.ny.us

    2578 Niagara Falls Boulevard

    Suite 600

    Wheatfield, NY 14304

    (716) 731-8740



    Roy J. McDonald

    mcdonald@senate.state.ny.us

    Hedley Bldg., Suite 1004

    433 River Street

    Troy, NY 12180

    Tel: (518) 274-4616



    Hiram Monserrate

    monserra@senate.state.ny.us

    32-37 Junction Blvd.

    East Elmhurst, New York 11369

    Tel: (718) 205-3881

    Fax: (718) 205-4145



    Thomas Morahan

    morahan@senate.state.ny.us

    158 Airport Executive Park

    Nanuet, New York 10954

    PHONE (845) 425-1818

    FAX (845) 425-6473



    Michael Nozzolio

    nozzolio@senate.state.ny.us

    117-119 Fall Street

    Seneca Falls, NY 13148

    Tel: (315) 568-9816 / Fax: (315)568-2090



    George Onorato

    onorato@senate.state.ny.us

    28-11 Astoria Blvd.

    Long Island City, NY 11102

    Tel: (718) 545-9706

    Fax: (718) 726-2036



    Frank Padavan

    padavan@senate.state.ny.us

    89-39 Gettysburg Street

    Bellerose, NY, NY 11426

    Phone: (718) 343-0255

    Fax: (718) 343-0354



    Michael Ranzenhofer

    ranz@senate.state.ny.us

    8203 Main Street, Suite 4

    Williamsville, NY 14221

    Tel: (716) 631-8695 / Fax: (716) 634-4321



    Joseph Robach

    robach@senate.state.ny.us

    608 Legislative Office Building

    Albany, NY 12247

    (518) 455-2909



    Stephen Saland

    saland@senate.state.ny.us

    617 Legislative Office Building

    Albany, New York 12247

    518-455-2411



    James Seward

    seward@senate.state.ny.us

    41 So. Main Street

    Oneonta, NY 13820

    Phone: (607) 432-5524



    Dean Skelos

    skelos@senate.state.ny.us

    55 Front Street

    Rockville Centre, NY 11570

    Phone: (516) 766-8383



    William Stachowski

    stachows@senate.state.ny.us

    2030 Clinton Street

    Buffalo, New York 14206

    Phone (716)-826-3344

    Fax (716)-823-6372



    Dale Volker

    volker@senate.state.ny.us

    143 North Main Street – Room 103

    Warsaw, New York 14569

    585-786-5048



    George Winner

    winner@senate.state.ny.us

    228 Lake Street

    Box 588

    Elmira, NY 14902

    Phone: (607) 732-2765



    Catherine Young

    cyoung@senate.state.ny.us

    Westgate Plaza 700 W. State Street

    Olean, New York 14760

    (716) 372-4901

  • S.K.

    Thanks! I shall contact all of them and thank them for preserving traditional marriage.



    I shall also ask that they enact civil unions as a better solution.

  • Sure; we can abolish marriage as a secular institution all together, if that is what you want.

  • valeriob

    **There is a rally in Union Sq TONIGHT at 6pm.**

    just FYI

  • Venessa

    unfuckin believable

  • felixthecat2

    Wake up People. Bloomberg did nothing for you. He got mayoral control and other concessions from the Republican yet didn't lobby for marriage equality. Quinn betrayed you as well. She is a LIAR. AT the city council 3 debate, she stated she lobbied Flanagan to vote for marriage equality since he identifies with her Irish heritage. HELLO, he voted NO. NO marriage equality until the LGBT cleans house and rid themselves of these parasites that used the movement for their personal endeavors but do nothing for equality. THIS IS A FACT. Quinn has not passed one LGBT bill in the city council. OUTPAC, HOUSING WORKS and other real activists groups don't support QUINN and her LIES.

  • bagelman

    holy number of comments, batman!

  • snickerdoodle

    I see the "tolerant" liberals and homofascists are out in force, denigrating people who don't share their point of view, and even going so far as to call for their deaths. They don't sound much different from the Islamic terrorists, or worse (in their minds), the far right winger nuts like Rush Limbaugh.



    I'd like to personally thank Mr. Diaz for being the brave soul and stating so eloquently why gays should not be married like husband and wife. The gays should stick to civil unions, we know you all aren't really interested in church weddings and making oaths before God, you just want to destroy another sacred institution, an institution you clearly have zero respect for and therefore, you don't deserve the "right" to be married there.



    I am proud of New York for standing up to these liberal bullies who insist on wasting everybody's time with their little special interest pet project that affects a small minority of people while Albany burns and the country is going bankrupt and jobs are disappearing by the millions. In other words, let's get back to doing some real work and fixing up this country's economy, which affects everybody and not just gay people.



    As for the gays trying to convince people that this is a "civil rights" issue, you've convinced nobody of that, not even yourselves.

  • rasputinsghost



    "I see the "tolerant" liberals and homofascists are out in force, denigrating people who don't share their point of view"



    Being angry at people who think you are subhuman/a second class citizen because of something that does not affect them is quite reasonable. That doesn't make you a fascist, that makes you human. Next.



    "we know you all aren't really interested in church weddings and making oaths before God"



    This affected civil marriage; whether they are interested in god or not is immaterial and outside the scope of this legislation. Next.



    "just want to destroy another sacred institution"



    A sacred institution that can be dissolved very easily and without much incident. Next.



    "with their little special interest pet project that affects a small minority of people while Albany burns and the country is going bankrupt and jobs are disappearing by the millions"



    False dichotomy. Passing a gay marriage act would take a minimum of time and effort. There's no logical reason to say that it's either one or the other; before voting on gay marriage, they passed Patterson's budget-cutting plan.



    The door's over there.







  • Bobby Night

    Yeah! I can't stand how the gays are always denigrating people who disagree with them, and always calling them names! Those god-hating scumbags should shut the fuck up -- they're just as bad as Hitler. They're worse than Hitler -- they're a Hitler / Bin Ladin / Satan big-gay-three-way. We should stop wasting time on this "civil rights" bullshit, and start working on important issues -- like making sure that I have free speech!



    And, worse, teh gays are always trying to take away our freedoms. We should pass a law against those freedom-hating bastards, so that we make sure that we preserve our freedoms. This minority is always trying to bully us into giving them "equality" -- as though it's somehow unfair that they don't enjoy exactly the same rights as everyone else. I don't care if some stupid poll said that some tiny majority of New Yorkers support gay marriage -- they're MY rights, and the gays can't have them. Civil unions should be plenty for them. Gays obviously have no respect for God, religion, or marriage -- if they did, they'd know to keep their filthy, scummy hands off of marriage and not debase it with their presence.



    And you know what's worse? Those homos are always trying to tell me that my views are hate. What right do they have to say things like that, just because I've expressed my opinion about who they should and should not marry? I have freedom of speech, goddammit -- I can say anything I want about their personal lives, and shouldn't have to hear anyone tell me that my views are "intolerant" or any other bullshit like that. Just because you consider your "lifestyle" to be a "relationship" with the "love of your life" doesn't mean that you should be offended when I disagree.



    Gays, I'll have some respect for you when you learn to disagree on the issues rather than devoting all your time to attacking those who disagree with you, you Islamo-fascist bastards.

  • Amanda Harletsch
  • Amanda Harletsch

    ah... conservatives and its favorite pastime: preventing social progress.

  • S.K.

    Notice how hateful gay marriage supporters can get when they lose. If you think the State Senate was bad for you, try a referendum.

  • NannyState

    The Republican Party may no longer be a "Big Tent", but it sure is a Big Closet. And any Democrat like Ruben Diaz Sr. who votes with them is their very own little 'roach in the closet'.

  • valeriob

    **I hear there is a rally in Times Sq by the TKTS stairs TONIGHT at 6pm.**

  • Guest

    brings the truth into the light:



    new york is not that tolerable, opposed to many stereotypes about how diverse new york is.

  • Amanda Harletsch

    NYC is one of the most classist, provincial, sexists, racists and any other bias type you can think of I have ever lived in...Not even south america or southern europe are as biased an the NYC locals

  • Guest

    amen to that. the ruling is... shall i say, "so gay". i guess the majority of the senate seat are homophobes

  • kc2slg

    Protest at 6 p.m. in Times Square--TKTS steps.

  • paulie

    Fuck.

  • dr zippy

    Who decided to bring this up for a vote not knowing they had the votes for passage?

  • books

    its incredible how marketing this as a civil right or equality has caught on, the same people who ignore iraq or palestine are just incensed(!) about gays not being able to marry. negro please.



    everyone can love who they want and have sex with who they want, no ones is supressing you. this isnt about that, this is about making the goverment reconize and theyby normalizing who you love and have sex with....and this will never happen, even if it does become legal, because being gay isnt 'biologically' normal...if it was humans would have died out a long time ago.



    Everyone knows this, this is why the majority of people are against it. but everyone wants to be trendy and not be called a bigot, so there is this vocal movement but in 1k years we'll back where we started cause boys having sex with girls and vice versa is hardwired into mammamals, thats not going to change.

  • CGNY

    The odd thing is that they lynch homosexuals within the fascist confines of Gaza, that's why Muslim arab homosexuals, flee to the Jewish nation of Israel for safety. A gay Iraqi or Palestinian has to completely hide their sexual identity for fear of being murdered by a mob of their fellow citizens.



    Palestinian gays flee to Israel:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3211772.stm



    On another note, this issue is one where the Old Testament and Evolution agree, homosexuality does nothing to "evolve" the human race, but that doesn't necessarily make it wrong or immoral, just pointless.

  • snickerdoodle

    Be prepared for the deluge of hate comments from "open minded liberals". They hate ideological diversity.

  • Jon Claw

    Awesome generalization, buddy. ¬_¬

  • Amanda Harletsch

    323693dc,a word for you: BONOBO.

    Humans are very close to them in behavior and they have managed (AS HUMANS) to procreate thanks to sexual (yes gay too) behavior. Fear of sexuality is just weak, and foremost an intellectual construct of SOME societies. Ask the greeks!

  • books

    funny enough I looked up that ape - and its says this



    " The Bonobo is endangered and is found in the wild only in the Democratic Republic of the Congo"



    maybe thats not the best example?



    regarding the other article - after she starts off using the misleading term gay to describe most species (which would be impossible ) its clarified that she means bisexual - many animals will have sex with the opposite sex and on occasion the same sex. this isnt surprising to me. she even suggests that people are naturally bi-sexual too....she's probably right that sexuality isnt as black and white as people suppose - personally I always feel aggressive towards men and in awe of breasts, but physical stimuli probably trumps whats hard wired in us. maybe.



    in any case the article is talking about something completely different than what gay marriage is about. gay marriage supposes that people are born a certain way and they like only the same sex and want a life long bond with that one person. if you want to change marriage into something like the article suggests - one man three women or whatever - you know fine - but why call it marriage? you can do that now, you dont need the state to sanction it.



    thats my opinion now - maybe I'll change my mind someday.

  • Amanda Harletsch

    You could ignore the fact that bonobos are endangered not for their social and biological behavior, but THANKS TO HUMAN destruction of their ecosystems. Ignoring that fact is just to convenient.



    This type of "gay" interactions are only under scrutiny in the human realm, because of an infinity of intellectual constructs. Many species have "gay" interactions as forms of bonding and of course it serves the ultimate end of survival, of social interaction, emotional expression of kinship. It has not prevented ANY species from reproducing.

  • sidenote

    I don't think you can really call being gay a trend - you don't have to agree with it, but at least recognize it's how millions of people live their lives and has been for thousands of years.

  • books

    I hear that. some of the best people in history were gay. its horrible that through history they have been persucuted but I dont think not being able to call themselves "married" is the same thing. the greeks who practiced pedastry, the romans who had formal orgies had more of a gay culture than they do in san fran, but even they never suggested that two men or women could be married. you could have sex with whomever, but the family was always male and female.



    its possible with science that male and female marriage isnt as necessary now, in-virto this and that, but biologically it will always be the way it is now in most peoples minds...at least thats how I see it.

  • oskarv

    but the purpose of marriage isn't to make babies. there are tons of married couples who are infertile and many more who choose not to have children. it's pretty clear to me that in this day/age, the purpose of marriage is to secure legal rights between the spouses and to serve as a symbol of commitment and love between two people.

  • oskarv

    also - trying to bring up "biological" arguments seems kind of silly to me. should we ban processed foods because they are not what humans would naturally eat? should we treat women and men differently because they are not "biologically" equal? should we stop wearing anti-perspirent because it changes our body biologically?

  • duckumu

    just because being gay is not "the norm" does not mean it is not "normal". gay-oriented people have been around ever since humans have been around, and the human species doesn't seem to have had much trouble making more babies in all that time.

  • Gregoire

    LOL, because they didn't have gay people 1,000 years ago. Or anywhere else in the animal kingdom. By your logic, you can back out all different types of human who aren't the 'dominant' breed at this particular moment in time -- blacks, albinos, Latinos, people with handicaps, the list goes on.



    You would not have been alone in your opinions among the intellectuals of Nazi Germany.

  • Outter Burrougher

    http://www.nysenate.gov/senators



    it's too late to change today's vote, but let your state senator know how you feel anyway. When choosing a topic for your email, select "civil rights". Voting against gay marriage is voting against civil rights (and for the record, i think all voices should be heard. so if you disagree with me, let your state senator know that you're pleased with this morning's vote)

  • Gregoire

    I'm proud of my state senator Daniel Squadron and many others for voting yes anyway. They will be exonerated over time, trust.

  • sidenote

    Senate Fail. Sigh.

  • GoldenRuler

    What is the process for creating a city-state in the US? Is it possible?

  • You know, if NYC was its own state, it would be the 12th biggest in the Union. We ain't small. I like the cut of your jib.

  • Sketto

    I really like the idea of starting a gay religion. You get both the ability to condemn outsiders AND you get great tax breaks.



    Please, please, let's all start a gay religion and then demand the same ridiculous "respect" that other religions enjoy.

  • Guest

    Most of the commenters here are more dogmatic than the religious people I know.

  • angry_pickle

    I agree. What is wrong with civil union? Nobody for gay marriage makes any rational sense. There seems to me absolutely no practical advantage to gay marriage over civil union. Both aren't internationally recognized, both aren't nationally recognized but civil unions are way more recognized than gay marriage even outside of the country.

  • maximusrex

    "The General Accounting Office in 1997 released a list of 1,049 benefits and protections available to heterosexual married couples. These benefits range from federal benefits, such as survivor benefits through Social Security, sick leave to care for ailing partner, tax breaks, veterans benefits and insurance breaks. They also include things like family discounts, obtaining family insurance through your employer, visiting your spouse in the hospital and making medical decisions if your partner is unable to. Civil Unions protect some of these rights, but not all of them."

  • duckumu

    civil unions don't cover all the rights and responsibilities of civil marriage. they aren't honored across state lines as marriages are, nor are they recognized by the federal government.



    the civil union fantasy really needs to end, and fast. it's a red herring.

  • angry_pickle

    civil unions don't cover all the rights and responsibilities of civil marriage



    Such as?



    aren't honored across state lines as marriages are



    Civil unions are honoured everywhere civil unions are recognized. Gay marriage in NY won't be recognized as marriage in Nebraska.



    the civil union fantasy really needs to end,



    No more a fantasy than advantages of gay marriage.

  • duckumu

    check this page for details: http://www.now.org/issues/marriage/marriage_unions.html



    creating civil unions for "the gays" and marriages for everyone else is the very definition of separate but equal, which is unconstitutional. if you want a detailed list of all the rights and responsibilities for legal marriages which currently are DENIED to gay couples (and there are many), i have a comprehensive list available.

  • angry_pickle

    That page is so misleading:



    1. What are these "1049 legal protections"? Give me some examples. Of course they aren't listed or referenced on that page.

    2. If these missing "legal protections" exist, they are protections granted by the federal government. Legalized gay marriage in NY isn't going to do jack sh1t in Nebraska. So all this crying over NY is senseless. This applies to all reasons they listed (portability, federal benefits, etc): Federal recognition is required. Doesn't matter if it is civil union or gay marriage.



    NOW is just piling up manure for all to eat but I'm not eating it.

  • duckumu

    the difference is that we care about equality and the integrity of our constitution. anti-equality religious zealots do not.

  • angry_pickle

    What constitutional integrity? What equality? Would you, could you marry a goat?

  • Mr. Shankly

    Is anyone really surprised?

  • TrippinJoJo

    fuck religion. Religion is the reason why this world is fucked up and full of assholes and we are at war.



    FUCK RELIGION.

  • Guest

    Plenty of non-western-religion based cultures were not for same-sex marriage.

  • TrippinJoJo

    any "fill in the blank"religion can fuck off. any shape or form of religion needs to be abolished - it's stupid and unnecessary

  • nicemarmot

    Merely one of the many reasons the world is fucked, I think.

  • ides_of_march

    Please stand outside your nearest mosque and say that. I dare you.

  • TrippinJoJo

    why? to further prove how moronic and brainwashed religious people are? should I bring some pork too?

  • Mr. Shankly

    And that is why he's right.

  • hotstepper

    i think jesus said that.

  • Noreaster76

    I'm with you. Just think about how many of the world's problems would not exist if we weren't besieged by this completely and utterly baseless mindset.

  • ides_of_march

    Might want to factor in the astronomical body count and oppression under atheist communism. Wasn't exactly a picnic.

  • Guest

    Don't get me wrong, I understand why marriage equality is important. But I'm saying a lot of people aren't for it.

  • al_fredo

    A lot of people weren't for black civil rights, women's sufferage and inter-racial marriage either.

  • duckumu

    a lot of people weren't for interracial marriage in 1967. in fact it was specifically illegal in virginia.



    at one point in time it wasn't legal for black americans to even marry each other.



    just because a lot of people aren't "for" something doesn't mean they are right and that their precious opinion should have legal viability.

  • Guest

    good point

  • irvinghowe

    it doesn't matter if people are for it or against it. no person or government should have the right to interfere with people's personal lives that clearly have no effect on the actual safety and activity of the state.

  • Billiamsburg

    if democrats really want important stuff like this to pass they need to support war and more wars (ships the rural area kids off to war, and to hopefully die. kids who grow up to vote R like their old man) and stop supporting social welfare programs (blacks who hate gays and elect black democrats who hate gays and are just as ignorant as the buck toothed rural republicans). Democrats need to be TRULY elitist and promote the prosperity and dominance of an intelligent upper class and remove the uneducated lower classes from government.

  • duckumu

    the best speeches we heard on the senate floor today in support of marriage equality were given by black senators.

  • ohgoodgolly

    You're kidding, right?

  • ohgoodgolly

    So when is the NY State Senate going to ban divorce? Because last I checked, that's the real threat to traditional marriage.



    I wish Diaz and the other 37 would realize that even for all their love of the G-man, their religion should have nothing to do with the legal rights of others. The State Senate is corrupt and full of bigots.

  • Billiamsburg

    Alright! Problem solved. Now that gay-mo's aren't allowed to marry we don't have to worry about our precious children catching gay and growing up to be homo-sexers. The family fabric is safe forever!



    can't wait to celebrate with my mistress, an eightball and a few tranny hookers.

  • al_fredo

    Once again, our Senate shows that it is worthless.



    Civil rights issues like these always fail when put to a vote (either Senate, and even in popular vote - like CA). It took multiple tries to get Women's Sufferage...and they aren't even a minority (well, close to 50% of everyone).



    If we had a strong governor, he could just sign a decree or something. Everybody knows this is right, even when they vote NO. they just don't want to admit it...and in this case, don't want to lose their post and paycheck for doing nothing.



    How did Iowa get this done? Oh yeah...it was judges, not Senators, or even the "public", who decided that this is ethically the right thing.

  • Guest

    Respect the vote! Not everyone is for it. I'm down for equality but I see that traditionally a major aspect of marriage is that it creates the best scenario for creating and rearing children.

  • ohgoodgolly

    So marriage is only about making babies? I think the next bill we pass should ban people who are infertile and who don't want children from getting married. All childless marriages should immediately be dissolved.



    Because having parents of two different genders is INTEGRAL to raising a well-adjusted, happy child, right? Something about that combination of XX and XY chromosomes really makes for a happy home.



    Just ask the heterosexual parents of Jim Jones, Gary Ridgeway, Eric Harris & Dylan Klebold, Osama Bin Laden, and so many other upstanding citizens raised by that perfect combo of man and woman. Can you imagine what they might have turned out like if their parents were homos?

  • Guest

    I didn't say it's the only reason. I was talking about the traditional role of marriage. Why it's important. Of course there are other aspects.



    I know great gay parents (and crappy hetero parents) but I'm traditional in that I think it's good for kids to have a mother and father present. And who cares if I think that? Doesn't mean I'm against gay parents though.

  • AspieSociologist

    Gay parents would have a much easier time and be that much better as parents if they could get their relationship recognized as a legal marriage.



    So if it is ok for gays to be parents, why not let them marry, especially if marriage is to create a stable partnership between two people for the purpose of raising children (your logic)? Your own argument against gay marriage is thus now for gay marriage. Fancy that.

  • duckumu

    "it's good for kids to have a mother and father present"



    i'm sure it is, if both the mother and father are good parents. but there are a lot of dysfunctional straight marriages that produce lousy children. and there are a lot of non-married couples, single parents, grandparents, and godparents that raise wonderful children.



    regardless of your views on what's "right" or better for children, it's not relevant to a discussion on legal marriage.

  • irvinghowe

    respect the vote? are you kidding me? this senate is full of ignorant boobs and diaz is their voice. i respect no vote by this legislature which has shown time and time again that they are in office because 5 ignorant asses from their district came out and voted. maybe it's time for the intelligent people to come out and vote. then, and maybe then, we might actually have people who know how to use their vote. it's time to put this in the hands of a judge.

  • duckumu

    marriage has nothing to do with children. many people get married with no intention of having children. elderly people get married and they generally don't even have the option. some get married and are incapable of having children. what do children have to do with this? nothing.



    we can't respect the vote because the vote doesn't respect our right to equality.

  • Soggy

    Stupid argument. Not everyone who marries has kids. not every kid who has parents that are married live in an optimal situation.

  • irvinghowe

    the state stays out of the church, therefore, the state should stay out of the bedroom.



    why couldn't huckabee pardon a killer that kills christian whackadoos?

  • maevemealone

    How many of these Nay voters have divorces under their belts? Mistresses? Illegitimate children? The criminal record of the senate is longer than the roll call. These are not the people who should have a right to decide any morality for anyone.

  • Excellent point.

  • doo

    Sick of religious wackos ruining everything for everyone. Can we have a true progressive party in this country, please?

  • snickerdoodle

    "religious wackos"? Kinda proves my point that gays don't really care about the institution of marriage in a church officiated by a man of God, they just want to piss on a sacred institution they despise.

  • hotstepper

    jesus would kick today's christians out of the temple along with the moneychangers right on their bigoted asses.

  • potsmoker

    agreed, NO reason except religious nonsense and bigotry that prevents people from acknowledging same-sex marriage.



    for a brief history of civil rights look at interracial marriage. as recently as 1967 laws existed that made it illegal to cohabitate or marry with another race.

    and its silly to have to say as a white man, i dont mind interracial marriage, just as bad as saying having to say im straight before submitting your opinion, thats part of the problem.



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws



    just wait until the expected upcoming organized boycott of tourism in nyc will start to hit people of ny. and those same bigots will prooudly proclaim that we dont need their gayness so good riddence, if enough people said lets go to a different state at least they are accepting of our relationship it will hurt.



    screw that, im boycotting marriage until everyone has equal rights.

  • Noreaster76

    It's very handy to have that list of how each senator voted. Made it that much easier to add to my List of People Never to Vote For.



    All those who voted against gay marriage can kiss my (straight) ass.

  • felixthecat2

    I am saddened for persons as Charles King, Yetta Kurland, Rosie Mendez and all the other LGBT leaders that fight with integrity. We should have a big demonstration in the streets with NO permits and with BULLHORNS. People make it happen. I be the first one to join the protests.



    Not one Republican voted yes. Why is that? Skelos stated it wouldn't be a bloc vote on this particular issue.

  • nicemarmot

    You do realize that if any of the Republicunts voted yes, Sarah Palin would fly down from Alaska, shoot them with her hunting rifle, then skin them for a trophy?

  • felixthecat2

    I would pay top dollars if someone skin her alive and sold her skin to wear. Be nice to have video of it as well.

  • BackStJoe

    Just goes to show the USA is as controlled by religion and fear as Iran.

  • snickerdoodle

    I'll bet you're one of those 9/11 conspiracy theorists; somebody who actually believes the USA is more evil than Islamic terrorists.

  • hotstepper

    yup.

  • BackStJoe

    Jesus is weeping today. This is not what he wanted his words to be twisted into. The people using religion to keep people in this state (and country) to keep people from have the same rights as others are as bad as the Taliban.

  • Son of Spam

    "not only the evangelicals,"

    Irrelevant.

    "not only the Jews,"

    Irrelevant.

    "not only the Muslims,"

    Irrelevant.

    "not only the Catholics,"

    Irrelevant.

    "but also the people oppose [same-sex marriage]."

    Incorrect.



    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/04/20/poll-majority-in-ny-support-same-sex-marriage-bill/



    Someone stop this state, I want to get off.

  • ides_of_march

    Haha!



    Cheer up, you can still get married. Just as long as it's someone of the opposite sex, legal age and not a relative. Same pesky rules straight people have to abide by.

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