Just in time to make sure your most annoying relative doesn't come to Christmas dinner this year...

It will be nice to move back to the UK.

Where only the Yardies have guns. Comforting.

The gun crimes are committed by the government. They execute people for what are considered here as non-capital crimes. Let's not forget they are a totalitarian government and let's not look to them for guidance in these matters.

We're talking about China here.

No we are talking about S Carolina. The china analogy started when some idiot said china banning guns is ok because they have no gun crime... he is obviously willing to trade "security" for his freedoms.

Gun control was introduced in [China in] 1966, after children aiming a Spanish rifle at sparrows near Tiananmen Square shot out a window in the Great Hall of the People, according to an official history of the Ministry of Public Security. Authorities grew more vigilant after the violently suppressed pro-democracy demonstrations of 1989, and after rapid economic growth began to spur social tensions."

I mentioned china in trying to explain to another hoplophobe who cried that a browning 9m could kill millions of people just by having its name typed three times on the internet.

Where you came in, I am not so sure.

All I know is that once you start talking about taking away the 2nd amendment, you have NO way to prevent them taking away the 1rst.

"All I know is that once you start talking about taking away the 2nd amendment, you have NO way to prevent them taking away the 1st."

Exactly! Thank you.

Yes, and I am sure totalitarian govts can be fought against by singing kumbaya...

Can't fight the Second Amendment.

Cars, drugs, alcohol, pools, all kill more people than guns do. The only stigma against guns is their purpose, whereas cars, pools, etc... are not made to kill you, so no one really gets bent out of shape.

South Carolina is a really nice state.

yeah man, in south carolina, you're surrounded by crazy rednecks who love palin and brandish shotguns. if they don't like the cut of your jib, they're liable to just blow your head off.

it's a scary world down there guys. if you do go, please be careful. it's dangerous.

Yeah, god forbid that American citizens use everything at their disposal to protect themselves. The scary part of this report is its ridiculous slant towards believing that guns are actually the problem. Sounds to me like New Yorkers doing things illegally are actually the problem.

Yes, it is the criminals that are committing the criminal acts, but it is the guns that make them much more efficient at it. The Browning Hi-Power 9mm can kill 14 people in under fifteen seconds.

So if you want to make that legal maybe you could provide a list of what's also legal under the Second Amendment? How powerful will we let people get when they decide to control others through violence? Sarin gas? Fissionable material?

What's your vision here?

"The Browning Hi-Power 9mm can kill 14 people in under fifteen seconds."

Yeah, if you lined them up kneeling in a line and ran behind them all and shot them in the head, like they do in China, WHERE THERE IS NO RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF.

You have NO knowledge of firearms, and zero knowledge of the right to bear arms and defend oneself.

I am sure that you would agree that only the police and the military should be armed, right?

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join

the SS or the SA — ordinary citizens don't need guns,

as their having guns doesn't serve the State."

Heinrich Himmler, quoted in

"Critical Issues in Biomedical Science"

Page 86 - by Leland L. Smith - Science - 2002

There is no solution. How many people one gun can kill in a short period of time is not a good argument for getting rid of guns either. What if an ordinary citizen was being assaulted by 14 gangmembers armed with lead pipes? The answer is not to make the tools illegal; the answer is to make the punishment of crimes made by those who choose to use those tools illegally much more severe. Capital punishment is one of the most effective tools for that and yet there are states, such as this one, that have chosen to remove that deterrent because of compassion for those that have no compassion.

Yes, capital punishment is clearly the answer. That's why the United States (the only developed country on the planet that still employs capital punishment) enjoys such a low murder rate relative to the other wealthy nations of the world.

Say what you will, foreigner, but there's a reason people such as yourself continue to leave those developed countries and come here... to seek out a better life.

I am here temporarily, to do a job. Trust me, my quality of life is far lower here than it was in my home country. I am counting the days.

By the way, I like how you totally skirted the issue there (capital punishment), opting instead to call me out as a "foreigner" (like it's some sort of insult). Also, just curious if you'd be willing to tell me how many states you've lived in/visited. This all started with you implying my ignorance of the south after all.

For one, I've been all over the place. Everywhere is the same, only different looking people inhabiting it.

Also, I wasn't skirting your 'capital punishment' argument, I was just ignoring it. Your supposed facts were culled from statistics that you found to support your argument while ignoring my side. I'm too lazy to find statistics to support mine. I just know that fear is a powerful tool that, used correctly, can deter people from doing stupid stuff.

And I didn't use the word 'foreigner' as an insult, only as a point of fact.