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The NYPD's stop and frisk policy shows no signs of abating. The latest data on the controversial program shows that the NYPD is on track to stop a record number of New Yorkers this year.
According to the NYCLU latest report, police made more than 404,000 stops of New Yorkers during the first nine months of the year, the majority of whom were black and Latino. Only seven percent of those stopped were given a summons and just six percent were arrested. Between July and September alone, 137,894 people were questioned, with nearly nine out of 10 of these stops resulting in no charges or citations.
Police claim that these stops deter criminals, preemptively at times, and that the NYCLU is distorting "the statistics by defining an "innocent" person as someone who hasn't been convicted of a crime."
The NYCLU views this as blatant racism: “A practice that wastes an officer’s valuable time with a 90 percent fail rate - while at the same time humiliating hundreds of thousands of black and brown New Yorkers - is not a wise or effective policing technique,” said Donna Lieberman, the executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union. “It is a stunning abuse of power. It is not a crime to walk down the street in New York City, yet every day innocent black and brown New Yorkers are turned into suspects for doing just that.” And lest we forget, they're keeping a database of names of all the people stopped, questioned, frisked, and released each year.
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Nobody's truly black, so if you're going to say brown then that should apply to all of them.
Signed,
Pinky
Is "black and brown" really the preferred nomenclature? Surprises the hell out of me.
"The NYPD says the NYCLU is spinning the statistics by defining an "innocent" person as someone who hasn't been convicted of a crime"
Isn't that the very definition of innocent? It's hard to find a more basic right then "innocent until proven guilty".
Interesting interpretation by the NYPD as all currently working cops haven't been convicted of any crimes, yet.
we've all got a little brown in us, some more than others.
There are white guys and there are black guys. There are shades of each of them. The dark white guys, and the light black guys are the one's with the problem.
I think he was referring to "irregularity".
Give me a break. Of course the majority were black and Latino. Blacks and Latinos make up the majority of New York City's population. So even if we pretend that every racial group commits is equally likely to commit crime, the majority of stop-and-frisks should involve blacks and Latinos.
The NYCLU is accomplishing nothing here but contributing to racial tension.
However, you are accepting stop-and-frisk as legal or don't care about police methods as long as people like yourself aren't inconvenienced. The skin color shouldn't matter at all.
I agree that skin color shouldn't matter.
And if I was stopped and frisked, I'd have no more problem with their methods than I do now. I've missed the train more than once on the way to work because the NYPD stopped me to search my bag...and smiled and wished them a good day afterward.
My favorite NYC example of why stop-and-frisk is bull is the priest who runs Rice High School, the only Catholic boys school in Harlem. He got into the habit of putting on his clerical collar daily so the NYPD would stop bothering him outside the school, in front of the students.
Wear a turbin tomorrow and let us know how your day was!
Actually that isn't true, Whites still make up the majority of the population here by race. That being said, based on crime statistics, Blacks and Hispanics do make up the largest portion of victims and arrests for major crimes like murder.
That being said, I do wish there was a better way to get at the root of the illegal gun problem but if one stop and frisk turns up a gun that could have killed another old lady or exploded a bullet in a 15 yr old girls brain then I am for it.
Hang on, stopping people before getting on the subway for random bag checks is one thing but what's being discussed here is not the same, and there are different methods.
You're not frisked by the guys guarding the subway. This isn't a simple, Can I see what's in your bag. We're talking full "Hands against the walls, spread your feet" so the cops can go through your pockets, remove whatever they want and pat you down, head to toe. Also, you're name, address and relevant information isn't put into a database of possible offenders when you get on the train. And, should the cops actually want to take you in for whatever infraction they find, they take your cell phone and record the IMEI so they can track your phone and listen in on conversations and texts.
So, what you're saying is that if you get stopped, for no reason, by a cop, you're okay with being treated like this? I ask because I'm not, not by a long shot.
I'm probably not the best person to answer this. I come from a cop family, so I'm biased in their favor.
there is a difference between being biased and being deaf, dumb and blind. i salute your family members in law enforcement, but i value my freedom more, and that includes the freedom to walk down the street without unreasonable search and seizure no matter what i look like. seriously, i can't believe it's even a law now, it's totally wrong on every level.
i totally agree with Fuboy. only a racist, or those with 'racist tendencies' can't see this for what it is-racial profiling of the worst kind. it's disgusting and should be unconstitutional. let's hope it's shot down in court at some point very soon.
i just feel more and more free everyday
In may countries the police can set up road checkpoints to test drivers for DUI. This has reduced drunken road deaths dramatically. So sad they can't do that here because cops are racist thugs you can't trust with the simplest thing. I've seen enough dumb cop violence. Will Bloomberg please do something to weed out the bad cops and train the impressionable box-of-rocks rookies that being a shit ain't cool?
These cops are following the mandate from Bloomberg and Kelly. Rich people's fears trumps citizen's liberties.
...isn't that how you define an innocent person? Someone who hasn't been convicted of a crime? I, uh...I thought there was something about "innocent until proven guilty." Doesn't that exist?
"The NYCLU views this as blatant racism: “A practice that wastes an officer’s valuable time with a 90 percent fail rate"
The other '10%' of the time, or 40,000 incidents, the cops came up with something. That's 40,000 potential crimes that were either thwarted or inhibited. If the cops need to randomly stop and frisk rich white people in the UES, just to appease the NYCLU, I got no problem with that either.
A lot of the commenters here must be living in a bubble. Despite being minorities in a city of over 8 million, blacks and latinos commit the majority of petty crimes & the majority of violent deadly crimes. Don't listen to me, take a look for yourself on the NYTimes crime map.
Or go up to Harlem and tell me how many white people you see hanging out on the corners whistling and making hand signals to their drug dealer. You won't see ANY. Go to anywhere off of Broadway between 130th and 150th streets and you'll understand why minorities get stopped and frisked. The NYPD needs to expand this procedure and just make it a regular thing in the most dangerous neighborhoods, that's the only way to get the guns away from people who aren't intelligent enough to use them properly.