Now Who's Sacrificing Chickens in Brooklyn?

I don't know what to make of the idiocy found on your first sentence, so I will ignore this dubious trait of yours for now (though it's quite apparent you're becoming reactive and egoic the more this conversation carries on).

Look, you can be whatever you like that is what this country was founded upon (and is is not nice that this country was founded by the Freemasonic Founding Fathers? who gave you such freedom).

My issue here is that you decided to equate a Black Magic-Sorcery practice found in Santeria and correlated with Religion in general (not understanding that Eastern Religions and Esoteric Movements are not in the same league as Exoteric Monotheism or what is essentially Lunar Worship found in Santeria).

I never said that I was an expert, but the GNOSIS, the Esoteric Thought and knowledge found there off is by miles far more advance in knowing The Mysteries in the universe with actual factual practices and proof that has been passed down since Ancient Times then Modern Science (which simply builds from a blind on up).

I am not knocking down Modern Science (it is vey beneficial to all), but it does not have all the answers that it seeks found in Occult Science (which now is penetrating bigger Mysteries of Life).

Could be bird flu.

Religion and its many crazy idiots!

Santeria is strong with African traditions in the caribean portions of south america. But let's not forget of very traditional colonial expansion via catholic beliefs' oppression of moral superiority that allowed the worse genocide in history; and I'm talking the invincible

Aborigines of the Americas here!

I sent this to Gothamist as a curiosity, but I'm almost wishing I hadn't due to the disgusting racist and culturally bigoted comments it's inspiring. "Go back to the jungle"? Really? How about "Get the fuck out of my city, you pathetic atavistic troglodyte"

That's why I stopped going to El Pollo Diablo: they serve up too much raw chicken.

Well, Santeria is a religion practiced primarily by people who come from regions where there are jungles. Anyway, why should any religion be given respect? All religion are primitive and savage and should be left in the dustbin of history.

That may be true of all religions, but people of other religions aren't called savages. Don't try to play down the perfectly valid point elpollodiablo made.

"people of other religions aren't called savages."

Savage is as savage does. Leaving sacrificed animals on a street is a savage act. I am a liberal, but even I know that Political Correctness has its limits.

Your city?

This is not the first time this has happened at this closed down church. About 2 months ago there were two dead chickens(heads in tact)in a cardboard box. Creepy.

I always see huge piles of old clothing piled on these same steps for some reason. Any idea what's up with that?

its almost 2010 for crying out loud if you still want to swing an animal over your head and sacrifice it to transfer your sins to the chicken in the name of whatver hocus pocus god you believe in then leave our country and go back to the Israel.

Jungles and Third World Savages, but we can slice it up, carve it up and shrink wrap it and its all good in the hood.

Santeria is an acceptable alternative religious practice based on african rituals and beliefs.

If all of south america adopted a new religion based on native culteral beliefs instead of what a funny guy in funny hat in the vatican says, the world would be a much better place. Conversion came at the end of a sword.

If someone offered you a bullet or kneel before a statute of god of playdoh covered in skittles, you'd take the floor gladly. do that enough an we'd have a whole new society and in a few hundred years the idea of a man on a cross being resurrected would be pure comedy.

It's almost 2010 for crying out loud! If you still want to bleed animals in the name of whatever warped hocus pocus god you believe in then leave our country and go back to the jungle.

Maybe it was a message from the Mafia: fear us, or you will sleep with the chickens.

Seriously, unless posters berating this are vegetarians, I fail to see this being any less moral than eating a Chicken McNugget. If YOU kill a chicken, it's OK; but if someone else does it,it's horrible?

What a double standard!

Sustenance vs. religion. One is needed for survival (though I'm not saying it needs to be in the form of meat), the other is a fabrication.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Lukumi_Babalu_Aye_v._City_of_Hialeah

Killing chickens is legal.

This is a public health issue.

Agreed.

3rd world Savages.

was that photo taken mid-faint?

that poor chicken! though I love the way the person who left it had the decency to put a blue plastic bag on top of it. RIP

how do we know its a sacrifice?

could be someone purchased a freshly slaughtered chicken,

maybe parked his car with dead chicken in the backseat,

scumbag sees something in the car, breaks window grabs bags walks away, finds dead chicken, tosses dead chicken immediately, church steps is just a coincidence.

whats so improbable about that scenario?

dead chicken.

animal sacrifice is perfectly legal.

you can kill a chicken for your god just as normally

you can kill a chicken for a mcnugget.

I wonder why Santeria freaks aren't all in North Carolina, working in a chicken plant. Think of all that religious ecstasy they're missing out on...

savages is right! some santeria moron used to sacrifice chickens outside of the old west farms cemetery all summer when i lived up there & neither sanitation nor animal control would clean it up because it was "religious" so that thing would just rot in the hot steamy weather. it was disgusting.

Fuck, I KNOW I threw that bag in the trash. Someone else must've taken it out.

Sorry, guys.

Cheap bodega bags and a dead chicken...this has Santeria written all over it. Morons.

Clearly they shoulda used Kate Spade

Clearly these savages should evolve out of this cavemen mentality.

First, I don't think cave men would have sacrificed a chicken, they would have eaten it. It's not like they could afford to pass up a meal.

Also, do you call Christians who think they're eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ during communion savages? Just wondering.

"Also, do you call Christians who think they're eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ during communion savages? Just wondering."

Yes, I do. I think that those who practice Santeria, Christianity, etc. are equally stupid and primitive. Read guitaristanyc's comment below (the one to which you replied). That pretty much sums up my view on religions and their idiotic practitioners quite nicely.

I think that is a narrow minded generalization of Exoteric Religious practices, the versions of which you are talking about (Christianity for example) have been degenerated of their SYMBOLIC meaning from ages past.

Santeria and Voodoo have always been Black Magic-Sorcery practices, that is the nature of that particular practice.

But to equate these religions (and in Christianity's being an example of a religion that has been degenerated with Anthropomorphism of its symbols) with other spiritual movements (Eastern Religions like Buddhism and Hinduism) or Esoteric Orders etc. Is narrow minded and you then prove that you have no grasp of Theology and Spirituality NOR do you have a grasp of their symbolism.

My lack of a "grasp" of these topics stems from my refusal to spend my days with my heads in the clouds studying fairy tales. I think that learning about religion can be interesting from a cultural standpoint (I've visited Buddhist temples in China, cathedrals in Europe and all over Latin America, synagogues in NYC, etc.), but I believe that the religions that are practiced in these houses of [insert deity's name here] are ridiculous and nothing more than a distraction from things that urgently need to be addressed here in the real world. That's probably because I'm a scientist though. You know, one of those people who studies things that actually exist.

As I said before you have NO grasp of what Theology is nor do you understand that its Symbolism is a veil for a much deeper profound meaning of a mystery of life or a natural phenomenon.

I find it funny how Atheists have build their whole paradigm on Exoteric Monotheism yet they have *no* awareness whatsoever of Esoteric Doctrine or even the holy Eastern Religions (which are not monotheistic.)

By you proclaiming to be a 'scientist' (and being defensive about it) of your paradigm, just goes to show you are not prepare to debate with a theologian nor someone who is well researched in Esoteric Doctrine.

First off, I don't identify myself as being an atheist. The reason for this is so that I need not debate at length with religious morons such as yourself. I like how you think that you're putting me down by pointing out this fact though. The reason I choose not to debate at length with people like you is the same reason I wouldn't debate at length whether or not the sky is red. It's a waste of time. You can go on fancying yourself as some sort of academic who studies "the mysteries of life", and people like me will go on with the type of work that ensures that you have oxygen to breathe and food to eat (you're welcome). Finally, I'm *so* impressed by your use of fancy theologian words. Here's a fancy scientific word that I'll use to describe your mindset: plesiopmorphic. Wasn't that fun?

You're coming really Egoic and defensive (and your lack of maturity by calling me names says a lot more of who you are as a person then anything else), that tells me that you feel threatened....

GOOD, because your ignorance (and especially your ignorance in the usage of words) is quite disturbing.

I don't consider myself religious, but spiritual (so already your argument is meant void due to its fallacy).

I also find it interesting that you equate your role as 'scientist' (in quotation marks after all, since your Egoic nature is becoming quite apparent) with 'saving the world.'

How Ironic that a 'scientist' identifies with a messianic archetype, I find that interesting.

We in the Esoteric circles find both Exoteric Monotheists and Atheists to be quite a hoot, both have very little grasp of the Mysteries of Life and mainstream science is nowhere near as advance as Occult Science. For the Mainstream science of today was occult back in the middle ages (so as you can see the Occult Science of today is already penetratring even deeper mysteries).

Atheists can form their arguments against Exoteric Monotheism (who for the most part have no grasp of its own Symbolism) but you have very little awareness and are not prepare to have the same argument (build upon a paradigm of fallacy) agaist THE SECRET DOCTRINE, The Gnosis, Esoteric thought.

One simple reason being that you have not been privy to know such knowledge.

Good Day.

"Not been privy to such knowledge"? Ahahahaha! No, I've only been bombarded with this nonsense since day one. I can't argue that I actively engage in willful ignorance when it comes to religion and spirituality. Make of that what you will. I don't have a need for it in my life. My husband, who was raised Catholic, once told me that I am the most ethical person he has ever encountered. While I am human and therefore make mistakes, I make a very active effort to consider the outcome of each action I take in life. Thus, I try to live as lightly as possible (I don't mean intellectually, but rather am very concerned about the outcomes of my actions in terms of who and what will be affected).

As far as equating science with saving the world, I certainly don't feel that applies to all, or even most, science. I work in biodiversity studies and conservation. Anyone who claims to be ethical cannot possibly argue that this is not an important field to us all.

I could be wrong, but you sound an awful lot like a first year graduate student. That's cool and all, but it certainly doesn't make you an expert in the ways of the universe. If you are in fact a student, you will realize this more and more with each passing day. Bye!

Your anthropomorphism of sacred symbols and theology (and your lack of knowledge thereof) just shows how much of your paradigm is built on Judeo-Christian Western Anthropomorphization of deeper meanings and symbols (that you would have no grasp of).

As an esotericist researcher I can definitely tell you that Santeria and Voodoo is basically Black Magic with Karmic consequences, let fate take care of it.

Take that dead chicken, put it in some hot water...baby, you got a stew goin!

LULZ

savages.

And I thought the phrase 'Keep Fucking that Chicken' was a figure of speech...

heehee

Lunch.