NYPD Building Massive Cell Phone Database

of course they can turn ON the phone,

you also dont need to sit there and record the contacts and phone #'s by hand, you just capture the IMEI and start aggregating and recording data from the service provider silly.

rip the sticker off, doesnt solve anything.

How to display a phone's IMEI number:

Type *#06# on the keypad.

a password protected phone can also be analyzed for forensics

example

http://csistick.com/

CSI Stick grabs data from cell phones

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10028589-83.html

This device connects to the data/charging port and will seamlessly grab e-mails, instant messages, dialed numbers, phone books and anything else that is stored in memory. It will even retrieve deleted files that have not been overwritten. And there is no trace whatsoever that the information has been compromised, nor any risk of corruption.

i would say all that weed is making you paranoid.

that's a large database, they've even included summonses.

what's next include parking tickets? I'm sure they have traffic infractions in that database.

heres another example,

you call your pot dealer for delivery.

you get busted smoking a doobie, handcuffed and placed in the back of the car, your cell phone is taken then returned to you with a ticket.

your phone has been flagged,

using a computer program how long with it take for analysis of data and movements to figure out who is the dealer and why he travels in a direct line after call are placed making the same frequent trips, then in reverse you can figure out who the supplier is when he makes trips for re-ups and where the stash house is when he is actually in one spot for a longer period of time.

this stuff takes milliseconds, and could be figured out even further by noting repeated patterns of use and location over a few days or weeks.

add some guys on the street to confirm visual of a bike messenger guy visiting your apt and the whole operation is done.

Good luck with recording your arrest from your cell phone. Big Brother is here bitches.

its computerized, your any unique piece of information is given a key. across a whole table of millions of sets of data, cross referencing primary keys to foreign keys.

the scenario they want to optimize is theoretical against some imaginary other or threat.

sit home on your computer and say i have nothing to hide.

real world applications and misuse vary.

someone is arrested at an anti-war protest.

their contact info is captured.

your hippy friend calls before he is arrested blocking the street, your info is captured. sabateuers and anarchists are tossing garbage cans and burning garbage nearby.

your walking downtown, and two other contacts are converging on the same area, entirely plausible if everyone goes to the same bar, coffee shop or school.

your being followed because somehow the authorities now think an urban terror rebellion is in the works.

you jaywalk or toss a piece of litter on the street and arrested and detained for 72 hours wondering why that black suv and heavily armed meatheads are so interested in your jaywalking spitting on the sidewalk?

or how about you go to a bar, you meet some dude who says he wants to trade vinyl and knows a good dj.

guy calls you a few days later but then he and a pal drugs and rapes a hipster chick after follwoing her out of another bar. he is caught and his partner in crime is unknown. they check the phone and correlate who was nearby by cell phone tower pings, you by coincidence were in a coffee shop nearby. police then bust down your door, try convincing them that your not involved. or you allow them inside because you have nothing to hide, then your sitting in jail wondering why you have such a high bail for having a bong in your apt, your sitting there already having given them dna and prints, cops dont care, its a BS holding charge to delay your escape.

too bad your not white, well connected or have access to a good lawyer while this rides out for months.

I look forward to the legal battle over whether or not this is constitutional.

Until then, here's a tip... the IMEI is only printed on a sticker. Rip the sticker off (although I am sure this voids the warranty) or just cover it with another sticker. Operating the phone to have it display the IMEI would still need a warrant.

Looks like Commissioner Kelly is a fan of "The Wire".

and they are going to remove the battery out of an iPhone.... ya right.

Yeah, that'd really have them stumped if not for the fact that you don't have to remove the battery to see an iPhone's IMEI.

Then you can just put a pin on your iPhone and not tell them. There was a supreme court case that said that the police didn't have the right to force you to give up your encrypted hard drive's password, so I'd imagine that legally the same would apply to your iphone's pin. The only recourse I see is the NYPD getting a warrant for your iPhone and then reset it themselves so that they can access the IMEI number without knowing the pin, but the likelihood they would do that because you got arrested for something other than a felony is unlikely.

They'll probably try, break the phone and then blame you. Assholes.

understand how big companies get contracts to analyze databases, do you understand how RDBMS works?

same way website ads work and track your every move, same way those airport no fly lists work, guestimate hueristics that have no real life application except reporting red flag movie script scenarios about possible criminal activities that do not allow you to fly on a plane, but those same 1million+ characters can own a gun, vote, travel, pay taxes, get hotdog vendor licenses, rent an apt, have a job, drive a car, or own a home unfettered.

do you think some nypd drone also doesnt open up the phone and review your contact #'s (Relational Database Management guys) in which your friends #'s are also indexed and checked for correlations, your photos could be backed up and reviewed, your call history is also tracked, your messaging is also reviewed. this is more than writing down the IMEI number.

"open up the phone and review your contact #'s (Relational Database Management guys) in which your friends #'s are also indexed and checked for correlations, your photos could be backed up and reviewed, your call history is also tracked, your messaging is also reviewed."

Scary, except that you can't do any of that by opening up the phone. Of course all you'd have to do is turn it on, but it should be password protected anyway or you're just asking for trouble.

i think you vastly overestimate the perseverance and work ethic of the NYPD. how are officers supposed to get any dawdling, babe watching, and napping done with all that WORK you just described?

Doucheberg should have this inside the Dept of Building mob group and in his own townhouse since Doucheberg is the biggest crook in the city.

I'm not familiar with that politician. With an awesome name like that I hope he runs for mayor or something.

The more we give away in the name of security, the less we have. Police need to be given limits. Yes, "given" limits. From us - the free public.

I don't care how fucking scared of terrorists you are - you cannot invade my privacy and take my rights based on that fear.

Note to self: Try not to call 911 from your cell phone.

I really, really doubt that the NYPD has the technical ability to take apart an iphone, so if they destroy the phone in the process of removing the battery, do they replace it?

Doubtful. Can you imagine the NYPD dealing with the headache of addressing all the complaints of people whose phones are broken during these seizures? No. Much more likely, you'll wind up with a broken phone and no recourse. Don't worry, we'll all be much safer this way...

all these records are public? how can i get my hands on them?

If they are public(?), then a FOIL request should get them for you after 50 years of following up with 250,000 different state employees.

IMO, this is totally ridiculous and EXACTLY "some kind of dystopian Orwellian police state."

Call 311.