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Yesterday, Iranian leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad took to the United Nations General Assembly stage—and got the U.S., French, British, Canadian and other delegations to walk out when he referred to Israel in his speech: "It is no longer acceptable that a small minority would dominate the politics, economy and culture of major parts of the world by its complicated networks, and establish a new form of slavery, and harm the reputation of other nations, even European nations and the US, to attain its racist ambitions."
Israel, naturally, wasn't present either, but the NY Times still characterized the speech as "less pointedly confrontational than his previous statements," noting that Ahmadinejad also said, "Our nation is prepared to warmly shake all those hands which are honestly extended to us. We welcome real and human exchanges and stand ready to actively engage in fundamental global reforms." He also criticized capitalism, "It is no longer possible to inject thousands of billions of dollars of unreal wealth into the world economy simply by printing worthless paper." Here's his speech:
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Outside the U.N., hundreds of protesters gathered to criticize Ahmadinejad, still upset about the Iranian elections. One protester told the Daily News, "He is not our voice. He is not our representative. We want him out of the UN." The Times also reports that world powers, including the U.S., China and Russia, said they "would give Iran a chance to begin negotiating seriously over its nuclear program at a meeting on Oct. 1, or face consequences — harsher sanctions."
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You know... there are two things I regret the Bush administration not accomplishing.
A permanent base on the moon.
And a large crater where Tehran is. And don't go giving me all that "but Iran wants to be moderate" bs. They just want to moderately hate everyone who opposes their insane delusional mythos of a theocracy. The entire nation would take centuries to deprogram.
I say we give them their nuclear weapons program that they so desperately want. Just deliver a fully functional nuclear weapons program right too them. In fact lets drop it from airplanes so they can get it as soon as possible. Maybe once they've experienced the awesomeness of our nuclear weapons program they'll stop being delusional psychopaths and focus more on being shadows blasted across glass.
there's a difference between iran's government and iran's people. it shows a lot of ignorance when people conflate governments with populace when talking about international politics.
open a newspaper, read about the iranian election protests.
HOTCUP yeah uhm... I directly responded to that criticism already. Both the reformists and the conservatives in Iran would like to see us all dead or enslaved under the jack booted heel of shariah law. The only difference between them is their stance on when it's okay to kill innocent people. The conservatives are pro killing them whenever because it's allah's will. The reformists think they should abstain from it whenever possible.
And sure that's an oversimplification of the situation... but what it comes down to is this. Functionally even if Iran began to reform today and never deviated from that path... there would be no personal freedom in Iran for at least 100 years. It would take that long for generations to unlearn what they believe today.
The easiest method to force a paradigm shift in a culture is with nuclear weapons. It requires less bloodshed than any other known effective alternative.
Maybe my approach is Machiavellian in design, but Machiavellian works.
You need to get out more, stop using so many ellipses (...), and take that fucking gas mask off. Don't forget to wipe the froth off your mouth when you do.
Thankfully, Matt Joyce, it is impossible for any rational person to take your recommendations of thermonuclear genocide seriously. Your political outlook is roughly equivalent to that of a rage-filled 17-year-old undersexed farm boy.
There is an upswelling of secular moderates in Iran, and by the time Ahmadinejad's generation dies away in 20 years, the Iran you are so pathetically terrified of will cease to exist. I'm not saying Islamic fundamentalism will be banished from the lands, but it will lose its power.
In any event, advocating the mass murder of a civilian population doesn't really fly these days, and makes you more akin to the likes of Ahmadinejad. You're a troll, aren't you?
Oh of course I am a troll, mind you I'd lose no sleep over someone dropping a nuke in the middle east. It's long overdue and would likely do a lot more good than harm.
That being said, I'm not scared of Iran... who would be? Their rockets can't reach us. I mean if I lived in turkey I might be slightly concerned they could through sheer luck land a rocket there... and maybe kill someone.... probably not me though.
If the US went to war with Iran they'd have no air force in 2 days, and their ground based defenses would be operationally nullified in a few weeks. We wouldn't even need to land troops. But that would accomplish nothing... we all know Iran couldn't harm a fly. The problem is convincing Iranians that their persistence in being delusional followers of an insane cult is bad for them. How do you do that?
You don't, because you can't, and not all of them are.
I don't get it. If he weren't throwing the T word at parts of the UN, these statements would _almost_ be reasonable given his position. I mean, he's said far worse, which might account for the walk-out, but I mean, short of an apology, what do you want from the guy?
folks lets be honest - in the last 50 years Iran has not lanuched a war against anyone.
The two countries who are screaming that Iran is a threat to the world - Israel and the US have been at war more than all other countries combined in the last 40 years.
For reals -
How many people have died in Iraq as a result of use looking for WMD that didnt exist - Far more than we ever accused Sadamm of killing...And people are protesting Ahmadinejad? For what?
They engaged pretty vigorously in the Iran-Iraq war. Pretty sure Iran has probably killed more Iraqis than we have.
But that's besides the point. We brought a genocidal dictator to justice in Iraq and are trying ( though not very well ) to make Iraq a better place for its people and for the entirety of the middle east. If Iraq can come out of this in the right way, they can become a beacon of success in a region long deprived of it. For some Americans and Iraqis that's worth fighting, dying, and killing for.
Iran on the other hand just killed a bunch of their own citizens for protesting an obviously rigged election. That's tyranny and oppression. But more than that, their country is so messed up culturally that they can't see past attempting to dominate, and oppress anyone who believes different from themselves. And I'm not talking "zomg freedom and democracy is great you should try it too" type of forcing your ideals on people. I am talking "hey put this cloth around your head and shut up or we kill you with rocks."
Iran is a messed up place with a populace that's been raised for generations to believe in something that's downright insane. You are dealing with one of the worlds largest and most dangerous cults. Deprogramming these people and re-integrating them with society will be near impossible without tremendous bloodshed.
Well, to be fair. He said Iran did not *launch* war against anyone. They did not; the Iran-Iraq war was started by Iraq.
Iran hasn't invaded another country in about 500 years. They "engaged" in the Iran-Iraq War because Saddam Hussein invaded them (at the U.S.'s urging). Also during that war, we were selling chemical weapons to Saddam and selling other weapons to Iran at the same time.
Yes, Iran should not be ruled by crazy Muslims. The Iranian monarchy was opposed to the rule of crazy Muslim mullahs, but Jimmy Carter helped to overthrow the monarchy because the Shah wanted to raise oil prices.
And yes, the Iranian government cracked down on violent protesters after an election that was rigged. It was rigged by followers of Mousavi, but they lost anyway because of overwhelming support for Ahmedinejad, so they tried to overthrow the government with force, but couldn't get the support to do it because everyone knows that Mousavi is the puppet of the ultra-corrupt Rafsanjani.
folks lets be honest - in the last 50 years Iran has not lanuched a war against anyone.
The two countries who are screaming that Iran is a threat to the world - Israel and the US have been at war more than all other countries combined in the last 40 years.
For reals -
How many people have died in Iraq as a result of use looking for WMD that didnt exist - Far more than we ever accused Sadamm of killing...And people are protesting Ahmadinejad? For what?
Oh and technically... Iran was supplying the rockets to Lebanon that kicked off the "incident" with the Israelis that resulted in several major lebanese cities being basically leveled and resulting in deaths of tens if not hundreds of thousands of lebanese people.
Yep, Iran is totally clean. No blood on their hands. Never linked to arming insurgents in Iraq.. with things like steyer sniper rifles that could be traced in bulk directly to them from steyer purchasing records. Nope, never armed hezbollah across three countries and triggered a war and the collapse of a government in lebanon.
Iran would never do any of those things.
"the NY Times still characterized the speech as "less pointedly confrontational than his previous statements,"
Well of course, since the Slimes supports destroying Israel and America.
As for Iran, the students need to start killing the mullah's andtheir supporters and take back their country.
The iranian govt has been backing Hezbullah and North Korea for years with material and cash, and once Iran gets nukes, they are in range of Europe as well as the mideast.
If iran wants to survive, they need to kill amanutjob and his backers.