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With a name like Hugs one would think the Williamsburg-based bar would open their arms to all types of patrons. But they hung a sign stating: "No Timberlands, No Baggie Jeans, No Hoodies, No Sports Attire..." and the list goes on... and we all know hipsters wear skinny jeans. Their finals words: "We have the right to be selective!" We've contacted the bar to help us translate the sign, but they're currently using their right not to answer the phone.
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holy crap! could they be any more obvious? i bet a white guy could wear ALL of those and STILL get in. please tell me tomorrow that this place has been closed down.
ANYONE who thinks this sign is racist IS A RACIST themselves, because you automatically assume that a person that wears these clothes is a minority. First of all, its a HIPSTER bar, therefore, they want HIPSTERS patronizing it. Last time I checked, HIPSTERS came in ALL different colors as do THUGS. I am hispanic and DO NOT wear baggy jeans or any of the other attire listed and I've been to HUGS MANY times without incident. You're right, they don't want a certain type there, THUGS. But it has NOTHING to do with someone's color. And if you believe that ONLY BLACKS or HISPANICS are THUGS then YOU ARE A RACIST!
first of all your actually a complete dumb ass if you think it takes being of a "majority" to be capable of racism. secondly your also a dumb ass if you consider yourself to be a 'hipster' because of the clothing you wear. being a hipster is like being a punk. the second you classify it by dressing with a certain sensibility you've automatically become a poser. in edition wearing timberlands, or sports wear, or caps, doesn't make you a thug. But implying that it does makes YOU an asshole. Although it is the right of the bar to have a dress code, it doesn't mean they should be so quick to profile. WTF. you 'hipster' douche bags can have the lame bar, but do us a favor and just stay there.
How about they just replace all that with "No Niggaz"?
seriously wtf...I thought hipsters were supposed to nice & accommodating, not superficial and close-minded...jerks.
Really? That's your take on hipsters? You miss the way they're all uniquely the same and damn proud not to conform, together, as one big, huge, non conforming group. er...
dude r u serious? hipsters are the most self-centered, ego maniacal, spoon feed scum of the earth. they want the world to revolve around them with and have no consideration for others.
Come on, the anti-hipster thing is just stupid at this point. If you want to drive around Yonkers in cargo shorts and a bucket hat enjoy yourself but don't hate on everyone who doesn't want to look 37.
@T:
that's not very nice. I'm 37, and I look fucking hot and fantastic.
hipsters are okay with one or two non-white people around, as long as they provide comic relief or have quirky accents/style. any more might compromise their reality.
asian chicks get a free pass though.
Holy fuckin shit! Enough with "hipster!" I don't know why it annoys me so much, but about 5-yrs ago this term just sprang from nowhere and has been repeatedly abused ever since.
Seriously, if we're gonna spend so much time talking about a group, can we at least know what defines it?
I just don't get it. What the fuck is a hipster? And I ain't being cute - I understand that people want to use that term to refer to young adults in BK who wear tight jeans. But is that it? Are tight jeans and a beard necessary preconditions? Sufficient? Do you have to listen to specific music? Is there an income requirement?
I call bullshit on the entire, made-up term. I have no dog in this fight, because regardless of my theory, no one would ever mistake me for one. Regardless, let's hear a workable definition, and then I'll shut up and apologize. Otherwise, you're all talking nonsense.
to observe them in their natural surroundings, visit them in east ohio, er, williamsburg. then you'll surely know what this creature is, and why people dislike them immensely.
Hipster - Courtesy of urbandictionary.com
- Listens to bands that you have never heard of.
- Has hairstyle that can only be described as "complicated." (Most likely achieved by a minimum of one week not washing it.)
- Probably tattooed. Maybe gay. Definitely cooler than you.
- Reads Black Book, Nylon, and the Styles section of the New York Times.
- Drinks Pabst Blue Ribbon. Often. Complains.
- Always denies being a hipster.Hates the word.
- Probably living off parents money - and spends a great deal of it to look like they don't have any.
- Has friends and/or self cut hair. Dyes it frequently (black, white-blonde, etc. and until scalp bleeds).
- Has a closet full of clothing but usually wears same three things OVER AND OVER (most likely very tight black pants, scarf, and ironic tee-shirt).
- Chips off nail polish artfully after $50 manicure. - Sleeps with everyone and talks about it at great volume in crowded coffee shops.
- Addicted to coffee, cigarettes (Parliaments, Kamel Reds, Lucky Strikes, etc.), and possibly cocaine.
- Claims to be in a band. Rehearsals consist of choosing outfits for next show and drinking PBR.
- Always on the list.
- Majors or majored in art, writing, or queer studies.
- Name-drops. May go by "Penny Lane," "Eleanor Rigby," etc. when drunk. On PBR. Which is usually.
adeez, the term hipster has been around for a long time. It has since been appropriated by another group of people.
Here's a great article that will give you some insight if you are as truly in the dark as you said you are: https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/79/hipster.html
how is it that 10 people just replied to this without detecting the sarcasm contained within the original comment?
While the original post's sarcasm was clear, adeez sadly does not seem to be using sarcasm in his post.
Kanye,
You're not dressing white enough! Take off that long-sleeve white tee-shirt and those timberlands. And no bullshit!
http://nicekicks.com/files/2009/07/kanye-timberlands1.jpg
Timberlands are nice and I'mma letchu finish, but Air Max 95s are the best African American footwear of all time!
Fuck Williamsburg. What kind of name is Hugs for a bar anyway?
Is it next to the Care Bears Bar & Grill?
ummm obviously you have never been to other bars/clubs in the city that do the same exact thing.
i remember one night where my friend could not get into sutton place (http://www.suttonplacenyc.com/about.html) because he was wearing a "white t-shirt".... it was a white ralph lauren fitted v-neck t-shirt that was under a BLAZER! we didn't think it was anything racial at first until we watched them let in 3 "bridge & tunnel" guys who were wearing sneakers and tacky outfits. and when we looked in there were other people wearing t-shirts too. he was definitely denied access b/c he was black.
Their college towns were segregated. Why should they expect their new one to be any different?
NYU?
I always walked by that place and assumed it was a gay bar. No lie.
what the hell is that supposed to mean?
it means that aside from being blatantly racist, i'm right within their desired clientele and that sign tells me i can't come in, either.
so... they're idiots, and racists. what about that statement offends you?
i want to know why he feels it 'looks' like a gay bar, no lie.
sounds homophobic to me.
It's called Hugs and has a pink neon sign, you do the math.
I'm gay, and I assumed it was a gay bar as well when I heard the name. I mean, come on--Hugs?
I wouldn't call it a race thing. There are plenty of pimp-stepping white boys in BK that subscribe to those atrocious thugly stylings.
"we have the right to be selective in applying our rules"
That's a nice sign and immma let you finish but those white only signs were a lot worse.
What is a "fitted hat"?
I think they mean no doo-rags.
Wondered that myself. Apparently it just means a hat - assuming in this case a baseball cap - that's fitted to your hat size.
All you hipsters sporting your Squidbillies-inspired trucker hats will still be in like flynn.
What if you're wearing stuff on the list, but, like, y'now, ironically? Like with rainbow suspenders 'n stuff?
No "Mork from Orks"
My son just schooled me about this! There are two kinds of baseball caps: fitteds, and the other kind with the plastic piece in the back that makes the hat adjustable.
So I finally understand why guys leave the big shiny size sticker on the bill. They want you to know they're rocking fitteds.
aka "ball cap" obviously not intended towards ironic headwear and the like
[Background]
Franchize! In my white tee
Yep in my white tee [12x]
[Hook:]
I slang in my white tee
I bang in my white tee
All in the club spittin game in my white tee
I bling in my white tee
serve feigns in my white tee
fuck up throwback I look clean in my white tee
I slang in my white tee
I bang in my white tee
All in the club spittin game in my white tee
I bling in my white tee
serve feigns in my white tee
fuck up throwback i look clean in my white tee
[Verse 1:]
Step on the scene with some green and some hard white work
Real clean fresh jeans and a all white shirt
We all get money and we all smoke
Hit da dirt one squirt will leave all yall merk
Cause im fresh in my white tee they glance at my white tee
and I got the hat that match my pants and my white tee
Whoever that you might see
I know they got a white tee
Uncle brother sister mother daddy or your wifey
Hanes or fruit ofloom be tha
Name of my white tee
I gotta change man its a stain on my white tee
Lames in a white tee I bring the pain in my white tee
Hispanic Cracka Nigga even yangs wearin white tee
Hit the club deep and we all got a white tee
A throw back no that hell naw it'on 'cite me
You dont need no throwback cause you will be set on your white
Tee you can get a circle or a V-neck on ur white tee
[Hook:]
I slang in my white tee
I bang in my white tee
All in the club spittin game in my white tee
I bling in my white tee
serve feigns in my white tee
fuck up throwback I look clean in my white tee
I slang in my white tee
I bang in my white tee
All in the club spittin game in my white tee
I bling in my white tee
serve feigns in my white tee
fuck up throwback i look clean in my white tee
[Verse 2:]
I hit the mall in my white tee
Oh I think they like me or they like them diamonds cause they shine so brightly
Yeah you know i how i be under my tee it the wifey
Fo-fo tucked titely
For them bussas who think im soft nigga come and try me
They gon find your body
White tees in the club while we drinking on bacardi
fo-get throwbacks white tees in tha party
Now dont get me started gotta try bacardi
Drama we avoid it
Everyone wear white tees cause they can afford it
Girls wear a white tee, boys wear a white tee
playaz in the trap now I bet they got a white tee
champs got them white tees, LA foot got them white tee
When we hit the club, they look at them white tees
Oh they buy clean white shoes fresh jeans
But on that boy shirt what it say not a thingg
[Hook:]
I slang in my white tee
I bang in my white tee
All in the club spittin game in my white tee
I bling in my white tee
serve feigns in my white tee
fuck up throwback I look clean in my white tee
I slang in my white tee
I bang in my white tee
All in the club spittin game in my white tee
I bling in my white tee
serve feigns in my white tee
fuck up throwback i look clean in my white tee
I gotta couple throwbacks it just I choose not to wear them
White tee extravganza nigga like a foot locker sale
But think if i don' fail but my paper stacking a lot
Or you can throw back this
but Partner check my nine
And im a ghetto gangsta white tee laws gone hate ya
In the street gangs with a little fame females gonna chase ya
Can't escape from this white shit it done covered the map
Like crack been the in the 80's and it took over the trap
Come to the hood you can find me trappin in my white tee
Standing with a full grill nigga might try me know sho how i be still in my white tee
Rock jeans tiger green yeah hos like me
Haters try and bite me
Some try to dislike me
Became a rich shawty and the feds try to indite me
Yep in my white tee [12x]
Yep
Yep.
That's three scrolls of the mouse wheel I'll never get back.
I like how it's no "fitted" hats.
I'll willing to be an ironic "#1 grandma" hat from Buffalo Exchange would be just fine in that place.
Uh, not sure why this is news other than it is in Williamsburg? Lots of bars and clubs and amusement parks have dress codes like this, for better or worse.
I like the "No Pinocchio Pants" sign at Connolly's in Rockaway Beach:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/funlap/3735066293/
I'm sure this IS a racial thing, but there are those hilarious Greenpoint Polish wiggers that hang around these parts, too.
I can understand the long white tee there really funny looking
HUGS: NO THUGS
Nothing says "We're scared little white boys" like a "You're not welcome here" sign.
Drunk white guys get into fist fights. Drunk gangsta wannabes get kicked out and come back to shoot the bouncer and the girl he kicked it to who wasn't impressed with his gold teeth. If you dress like a thug, you should expect to be treated as such.
Oh yeah, that shit happens allll the time around here. So tired of it.
MPD clubs might be able to claim a "no-sneakers", upscale dress code, but this is different.
If you've ever been inside Hugs, you'd know they have nothing close to a "dress code." It's not a fancy bar, it's full of kids in streewear, and plenty of hoodies (come on, it's next to American Apparel, h-ster love hoodies).
It's also next to Sea, which claims a largely black and Hispanic clientele.
baggie?
Hugs, I'm really happy for you, and I'mma let you finish
but this is the most overtly racist piece of shit thing of ALL TIME
OF ALL TIME
I don't see what all the hub-bub is about.
If you insist on dressing like a low-level criminal wannabe with outstanding warrants, prepared to be treated as such.
Just as if you insist on dressing as a trust-fund hipster, prepare to be treated as such.
oh, and las2381: if your friend was really barred from sutton place for no reason other than his ethnicity, there's ways of striking back -- a hidden camera video sting posted on youtube, followed up by a lawsuit, would be the first things that come to mind.
i smell forthcoming violence!
"Hispanic Cracka Nigga even yangs wearin white tee"
White tees are a celebration of diversity!
Aw, that's nothing. You've got to come to DC where businesses REALLY know how to discriminate.
From Lucky Strike Bowling Alley.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbma44/68847229/
Oh my god- those rules are SOOO strict!
It's almost they want you to dress and act like a normal person instead of an idiot.
Where's Al Sharpton? I'm not even trying to be snarky...he should really get involved with this!
Also, if you want to get involved beyond an internet comment, give them a call: (718) 599-5959
no hoodies? are you serious?
that uh... gets rid of a lot of the white hipster clientele as well.
idiots.
a group should pay that place a visit Improv everywhere style. I like to bust chops wearing my nerdiest LLBean clothes and wait in line to a club. I get the "sorry, private party" line almost every time.
They should just come out and say that you need to have went to a east coast liberal arts college to hang out here. Preferably one of the Seven Sisters - bonus if you're male.
You mean "need to have gone..."
WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE CLASSIST!! AND PROBABLY RACIST!!
Black hipsters, and the dishwasher allowed. All other darkies need not apply.
Exactly.
I love how everyone assumes they just put this sign up arbitrarily one day out of some groundless, blind disdain for young black males. Anyone bother to check and see if there is an actual reason they implemented this policy? Like maybe a few too many knuckleheads from the hood started one too many fights and they decided enough was enough? Curbs on sports jerseys, baseball caps, hoodies, wearing certain colors, etc. are in place at a lot of clubs and bars FOR A REASON.
Yeah, if only there was a term for discriminating against someone for others peoples actions....
Bad apples ruin the barrel. Semantics aren't to blame.
I see nothing wrong with the sign, the bar has a right to keep certain elements out in order to avoid problems. Why do you all assume it's about race? Plenty of white kids try to dress like thugs cause they think it makes them look cool. If I were a bar owner I wouldn't want thugs of any color patronizing my place either.
My goodness. Honestly, most of you folks seem to adhere to the stereotype that ALL black and Hispanic people dress this way.
If so, y'all need to get out more.
Agreed! Oh by the way, the black/latino people you work with do not count as friends. Sorry.
ANYONE who thinks this sign is racist IS A RACIST themselves, because you automatically assume that a person that wears these clothes is a minority. First of all, its a HIPSTER bar, therefore, they want HIPSTERS patronizing it. Last time I checked, HIPSTERS came in ALL different colors as do THUGS. I am hispanic and DO NOT wear baggy jeans or any of the other attire listed and I've been to HUGS MANY times without incident. You're right, they don't want a certain type there, THUGS. But it has NOTHING to do with someone's color. And if you believe that ONLY BLACKS or HISPANICS are THUGS then YOU ARE A RACIST!
I don't see how this is discrimination. You can always go home and change. Is it really so different from "no shirt, no shoes, no service"?
I remember when Timberlands were only worn by outdoorsy types rather than as some kind of urban fashion statement.
So what kind of bar is this? what is the context?? report dammit, don't just throw shit up there!..oh wait, it's jen carlson
I know.
OK, I think they are trying to keep out 2 types of customers, the wiggers and the *iggers. aka most of Staten Island.
Timberlands are considered "dress" shoes in some circles. OK, I'll say it again, Asians.
NO TRUCKER HATS
NO ELVIS GLASSES
NO IRONIC TEES
NO TIGHT PANTS
NO FLIPFLOPS
PROPER ID OVER 21
WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO BE SELECTIVE
NO DOUCHEBAGS FROM OHIO
Why always make fun of Ohio? Really? Can some one answer this one? Have you ever been to Ohio?
yes, that's why it is made fun of.
oh how i hate ohio state
once i was in hugs wearing just a red thong and a bathrobe - nobody seemed to have a problem with that
you don't have to go there. it is clear they don't want black people there, ok, certain black people. they are a weak and gross place. at first sight i thought it was the jews they didn't want. let them be swallowed by their rent.
Perhaps the Williamsburg natives shouldve put up a sign on the Brooklyn bound tracks at 14th and 1st that said:
NO skinny jeans
NO drunken disrespectful behavoir
NO vans/converse
NO living in our warehouses
NO brakeless fixed gear bikes.
Fuck this bar, it's owners and it's patrons.
With a quick glance down the page, there are at least four reviews on the linked Yelped page that were written by black people. They range from three stars to five. Obviously those reviewers have had no problem getting past the door, and no problems once they were in.
Now, ask the management of nearby Greenpoint nightspots Production Lounge and Red Star Bar why they both stopped having any hip hop shows. Short answer: too many violent incidents involving guns and knives.
I was just at an event at Production Lounge, though, a week or so ago. Everyone in the band that was playing was black. Yes, black people are welcome.
This sign, and the booking decisions of those places, aren't discriminating against any race. They're moves against a particular scene that some venues find to be more trouble than it's worth.
update: the sign has been removed.
i really wish you'd said "this place has been removed," but the sign's a start.
Wait what about the 40th street bars and restaurants that require a jacket? Is that racist? Or classist? Isn't that the same as saying 'no middle class whites, black, etc'? Why can't a private place just not want a certain class element? It's a dress code that says 'no ghetto thugs' not 'no blackies'. Those douchebag white Long Island guys can't get in either under this dress code. If you want to go to a bar that is ok with that you have your option, this is America after all.
Not that's Id go to Hugs anyway, since I'm not the specific type of douchebag they are targeting either.
So do Fedoras count as fitted hats? Perhaps they should be more specific and bar fitted baseball caps. Otherwise, they will discriminate against a large portion of the so-called hipster population.
It is fairly clear who they wish to exclude!
The trendy restaurants plagued with small children should try it:
No binkies!
No diapers!
No one under 2'3"!
No illiterates!
No thumb-suckers!
I like how you think.
LOL
word to Trilby!
Right this HAS to be racist doesn't it?
After all that's the only way black people dress right?
It's a public bar and their right.
Other clubs have dress codes, this is theirs.
Most of the stuff they describe looks shitty anyways.
Actually, inoyourider, even better, it's a PRIVATE bar! they can put up whatever they want.
by the way
"Dress Code: no sneakers, no jerseys, no baseball caps, no doo-rags, no workboots"
care to guess where that is from?
40/40 club webpage.
owned by RAPPER jay-z.
Right, I meant to say public.
They're already discriminating against the next wave of hipsters.
If hip-hop culture has no qualms about being homophobic, it makes some sense for a queer bar to try to put off the more thug paraphernalia sporting dudes... esp. if there's a cover charge... save everybody the drama
BAD HUGZ! No dessert for you.
No Niggaz!! and the niggaz would know who they are too.
Honestly, I don't think they are trying to be racist, just trying to keep hoodlum shit out of the bar. I totally understand.
WORD TO YO MUTHAFUCKA
This is literally the first location in Williamsburg I am intrigued enough to visit. Success.
Maybe they should change their logo, Put a "T" in an x'ed out circle in front, maybe hang a dixie flag..
c'mon guys, you can't even get this to 100 comments? Back in my day trolling meant something...
no "baggie" jeans must mean no pants made out of ziploc baggies. which means 'baggy' jeans are OK...i can get with that
Looks like someone's had problems with "thugs" causing trouble in their bar.
Don't know what to say. The sign screams racist (though white people dress like this too), but at the same time I bet it's solved the problem.
BTW, 95 South on Franklin Ave., a restaurant/club where I have never seen a white patron, has a similar dress code posted at the entrance. Folks who want to spend a Saturday night not surrounded by gangsta wannabes aren't necessarily racist--or even necessarily white.
Also, I defy anybody to tell a gay hipster bar from a straight hipster bar. Aren't gay hipsters guys who sleep together without removing their tidy white American Apparel underwear? Gay bars used to have names like Spike, Lure, Ramrod, Rawhide, Eagle. 'Hugs' sounds like a diaper. You probably couldn't get laid there without showing the play list on your iphone first.
the knee-jerk hipster-hate is embarrassing at this point. still angry because the cheerleaders wouldn't let you sit at their lunch table, or what? talk about lumping a group of people together and labeling them...
What's embarrassing is any adult who dresses like Jughead from the Archie Comics. They deserve all the derision that wit and imagination can devise.
i think the sign is fine. it's their establishment and they have the right to refuse service to people. more bars should be like this. if you dress like a piece of shit go to a piece of shit bar.
oh i always thought hipsters were some sort of aerobics instructors or people that were really good at the macarena dance.
ANYONE who thinks this sign is racist IS A RACIST themselves, because you automatically assume that a person that wears these clothes is a minority. First of all, its a HIPSTER bar, therefore, they want HIPSTERS patronizing it. Last time I checked, HIPSTERS came in ALL different colors as do THUGS. I am hispanic and DO NOT wear baggy jeans or any of the other attire listed and I've been to HUGS MANY times without incident. You're right, they don't want a certain type there, THUGS. But it has NOTHING to do with someone's color. And if you believe that ONLY BLACKS or HISPANICS are THUGS then YOU ARE A RACIST!
are you serious? it's obvious that the sign is alluding to a black stereotype. you've got to be pretty naive to think that it's an inclusive style.
also, love the cryptic DJ handle.
Fitted hats?
If there isn't any money involved for him, then Al Sharpton isn't going anywhere near it. I loved when he was on a show talking about how he was supporting poor people and he didn't have a job. He said he was poor himself and only helped those who were poor. The announcer asked him about his watch and suit. $14,000 Rolex watch and $5,000 suit. Too funny.
That sign was there to keep out thugs and the same thing is showing up everywhere. It's not racism. Black people wear hoodies,long white tees, timberlands, and baggie jeans. White people do too. They are USUALLY thugs. They are not welcome. No problem-don't go or dress appropriately. Not rocket science.
whle i agree that it is completely racist, i suspect that the real purpose is to keep drug dealers out...
A quick google of "DJ David Serrano" shows that you're not really all that hispanic in the eyes of most people. Yeah, your last name is there, but that's about it.
I am actually Hispanic, with a name and skin color that represents it. And I don't wear any of those things, but I am willing to bet if I did, I'd get the boot faster than some white hipster kid from Iowa wearing a flat brimmed Cubs hat ironically.
i am a bar owner in Brooklyn. i agree that this sign seems extreme. the sign depicts hoodlums and not Blacks/Hispanics or other minorities. every bar has a code of dress which keeps people out that do not interact well with others. this is not a color issue, its a type of person issue. i believe anyone who has labeled this sign racist is jumping to conclusions and not taking the time to realize all the variables that go into the clientele of a bar. although i do not know the intentions of the owners of this bar, all too often people get riled up without just cause. i think this could be the case.
100% in agreement with your reasoning. Very sensible response.
I got refused entrance at Bowl Mor in USQ for wearing shorts (cute shorts, not cut-off sweatpants or anything) and I'm a 26 year-old girl. Never going back there again (overpriced and lame anyway). Any place that's more concerned about its image than about customer service doesn't really need my money.
Sounds like you're bitter and just lashing out, instead of looking in the mirror and self-critiquing. By preserving their image, they are providing customer service, service for those customers who agree with enforcing standards.
Aw, honey, don't fret about it. It's just that Bowl-Mor likes to keep out the hookers.
Oh, and by the way. If you're 26, you're not a girl anymore. You're a woman.
Yo' way to go. Don't need none of those gangbangers.
A bar fight with swinging furniture and broken bottles is bad enough, without worrying about guns going off.
I dont know if you all have noticed or not but there's a reason that so many of you think its a gay bar (well besides the pink neon HUGS sign)- could it be the fact that they have a ton of Gay parties now? if you go in there on the weekends there are a TON of gay dudes, so this policy may not be for black people- this dress code would keep out all of the staten island, jersey and Long Island douchebags that are the types that are likely to cause a scene when immersed in a group of gay people.
i agree with the bar owner a few comments above- I think many people are jumping to the conclusion of racism, when it is more likely that they are trying to keep out "hoodlums" or "thugs". and last time i knew they came in all colors.
and jen carlson- before you wrote this, you should have gotten some back story of why this is happening- one phone call does not equal reporting.
I am on who wears baggy clothes and twists his fitted cap. I have a Master's degree, a great career, make over $80k a year (I'm not a rapper), live with my girl of 5 years and our dog, are active members of park's community group, and enjoy many of the finer things our society offers.... And I often find that upon first meeting, people look at me sideways, are afraid to speak to me, or just won't take me seriously. Fuck you. I'm educated, have a job (most likely am happier with my gig than you are and make more money than you), I vote responsibly, pay taxes, read the paper, and get involved. Take your prejudices and stick them up your asses. You are wrong.