i just can't get over the fact that most of these people who write in WILL have kids! but they are so full of their ways and carefree lifestyles and think they can do it better.

we will run into those idiots in a few years, on line, complaining about how tired they are. yuk!

and for the men who are even more pretentious, you will most certainly end up children who no one wants to be around. just know that.

I guess it's not a surprise that all of the finger-pointing actually sounds as though it were written by children....oh, the name-calling and complaining about your (the naysayers) inviolate customer experience. I'm a park slope parent and feel sorry for those of you that have to take a dump on other people's lives to authenticate your precious "New York" life. I have just as much right to bring my beautiful one year old into a restaurant, drink, be merry, and do my best to keep him under control. If you don't like it, maybe you can get four star meals delivered to you in the bubble? What do you drive? What clothes do you wear? What's your baggage, man?

i find it funny that so many people have such strong opinions about how to raise kids, yet don't have them. i don't either. but why all the anger? park slope is loaded with fools who have and don't have kids. when did you children move here?? quit cryin'. the real laugh is most of you will have them and be just as obnoxious as you are now.

How do you know which posters are parents?

You don't have to be a parent to recognize that a child is being disruptive, and to recognize that it is inappropriate when other people are trying to enjoy their meals/etc.

And our children will be just as obnoxious? Hardly. Some of actually understand the term "responsible parenting." I take my godchildren out all the time. They know that if they choose to misbehave, Auntie Roe WILL take them out of the park/restaurant/store immediately, they won't be going back, and that will be the end of their fun for the day. Interestingly, since it's happened to them a few times, they don't act up when they're out in public with me now.

No one cares about parenting. The issue is the lack of consideration for others and the ridiculous sense of entitlement that seems to be the norm for a large group of Park Slope parents.

there is so much entitlement, yes. but are the park slope parents really putting you out? you choose to live where you live. if you live in the slope you live among the strollers and nanny's. i don't, i go further on the F train. stop with your white problems. all of these sick, white problems.

y'all cry about naughty kids, go somewhere where where kids and parents don't have the option to eat in a restaurant.

what a privilege to blog about this.

i have an idea for a disturbing experience.

EVERYONE WALK OUT, DONT ASK FOR THE CHECK.

Leave parkslope blogger mommy and her brats in there alone. slash the tires on her hummer stroller.

The manager and waitstaff will get the idea.

OK, Jen...

"Take it Chuck E. Cheese stroller pushers!"

That's just idiotic.

Not just because you're missing the word 'it' and a comma...

Clearly you are speaking on behalf a group of people who moved to NY shortly after college from the suburbs of Indianapolis or Dubuque or someplace else and the idea of raising a family in NYC just doesn't fit into the narrow concept you have about what this city (or a particulat neighborhood within this city) should be like.

Of course parents should make sure their children behave in public - anywhere - and certain restaurants at certain times are not appropriate for children... but patronizing local establishments is one of the great things about living in the city. Suggesting that parents should be quarantined to their home or Chuck E. Cheeses exposes your ignorance of so much of what makes this city great. While my wife was pregnant, we went to the same local restaurant repeatedly. The owner was thrilled when we first brought the little one by.

"Old man Loffredo" has every right to say what he wants about his patrons. And any patron has every right to call out a fellow patron who is disturbing his or her experience. I think it's pretty clear where and when it's OK to bring a kid out to eat.

Perhaps the sight of a child reminds you that you may someday be responsible for something more than blogging for Gothamist, and this scares you. If you do wind up raising a family in the city, I hope you will have learned something about life outside of your little world by then.

If not, and you find the task of having kids in the city too challenging, then you can move out to New Jersey or Indianapolis or Dubuque or wherever else... and New York will suffer even less from your absense than you have from having had to deal with children in restaurants. Then you'll have no choice but to take your kids to Chuck E. Cheese (or maybe the Olive Garden.)

In the meantime, if you find the reality of families in New York to be so intolirable, you can always quarantine yourself... something tells me that if you have a boxed set of Sex & The City or Gossip Girl, you'll be OK.

Look, you chose to breed.

And with that act comes responsibilities.

One of which is teaching your spawn how to act in public - and punishing them if they don't behave

Another one of which is not bringing your kid to places that are not appropriate for children

Plenty of New Yorkers (regular New Yorkers - not entitled Park Slopeians) take their kids to McDonalds, Burger King, Chuck E. Cheese or other establishments designed for children - they do not inflict their brats on spaces that are not kid appropriate.

Just go to any working class neighborhood in the city and you'll see what I mean.

So no, this is not a "New York parenting" thing - and no, I'm not from Iowa (I was born in St Vincent's Hospital and have lived my entire life in the city) - it's an acting like a parent, instead of an entitled clueless asshole thing.

Does "intolirable" come with an 'it' and a comma?

...'particulat' + 'absense' - I was tired from spending the evening with my child at Al Di La. But that's no excuse. Even the Web kiosk at Chuck E Cheese offers a browser with a spell-checker.

haha - I deserved that :)

Train the waitstaff to cajole the kiddies into ordering the most expensive items on the menu and watch the fun...

Start asking for the no-kid zone in restaurants, and if they don't have one, leave.

if we keep pushing these self-indulgent buttheads east eventually they will end up in the ocean

I'm all for trying to keep your life as normal as possible but there are too many parents that just don't get it. It's not all about you and you little world. There are other people out there trying to have a life and you ill behaved kid is not making that possible.

I understand that kids will make mistakes and I'm pretty tolerant of that. When your child runs over my foot with their scooter while I'm walking down the street and neither you or your child apologizes, then you are a BAD PARENT!!! Maybe when someone finally looses it and whacks you over the head with the scooter (or whatever it happens to be) you will get it.

Oh, Jen Carlson, all I can say to you is this: I hope you don't ever have kids of your own. These posts and your snarky comments will one day come back to haunt you if you do.

I highly doubt this.

I'm about to be a father, and I cannot imagine why I would take my kid to a place like this.

For people who like to do it, taking a kid to a semi-fancy place for brunch or early dinner (I'm talking 5:30pm) would be okay with me. But, why would you subject your kid or the other patrons to it at a busy, late dinner hour?

I agree with the commenter above who said that if a place doesn't have high chairs, has "mood" lighting, and it's after 8pm, why would you bring a kid in there? I know I won't.