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Mike Frumin at frumination created this map to illustrate what NYC would look like if there were no NYC subway. Specifically, it would need a lot of parking spaces. He recently wondered, after receiving subway passenger count data, " What would it take in terms of auto facilities to replace the morning rush hour carrying capacity of the NYC subway?"
Using data from 2007 passenger counts, he found that "From 8:00AM to 8:59 AM on an average Fall day in 2007 the NYC Subway carried 388,802 passengers into the CBD on 370 trains over 22 tracks. In other words, a train carrying 1,050 people crossed into the CBD every 6 seconds"—whereas "Over this same period, the average number of passengers in a vehicle crossing any of the East River crossings was 1.20. This means that, lacking the subway, we would need to move 324,000 additional vehicles into the CBD (never mind where they would all park)."
So, if there were no subways, Frumin estimates, "At best, it would take 167 inbound lanes, or 84 copies of the Queens Midtown Tunnel, to carry what the NYC Subway carries over 22 inbound tracks through 12 tunnels and 2 (partial) bridges. At worst, 200 new copies of 5th Avenue. Somewhere in the middle would be 67 West Side Highways or 76 Brooklyn Bridges." More data here. [via Kottke]
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I just don't know about all this...
Frumin even says "who would want to go to Manhattan anyway?"
They wouldn't. Making this all nonsense.
too much time on his hands.
Now everyone has to admit that the MTA saves their quality of life everyday. That is worth alot more than 2.25. MTA workers should also get raises across the board.
Of course a great % of those jobs simply would not exist in Manhattan if there were no easy way to get there, making this whole exercise pointless.
Tomorrow's map: How many hay farms would we need to feed our horses if there were no cars?
This is an excellent use of Microsoft Paint.
Seriously, my three-year-old could have made this "map" in a minute or two.
There is plenty of space for parking, it's unfortunately being taken up by dead bodies. The stupidity of housing for the dead (called "cemeteries") is quite unbelievable. My family members were annoying enough in life, I have to visit them when they're dead as well?
lol (!) Splicer, but seriously — regarding cemeteries; we should all be in hot pursuit to find better ways of honoring and remembering the dead. This needed to be done yesterday.
Robespierre approves!
With illegals breeding the way they are, and liberals refusing to do population control because Hitler got the idea from the USA, soon all the Square States farmland will be covered with cemeteries and we will buy our food from China.
On that note, how does everyone feel about implementing a turbine system in the subways? Hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers pass through the turnstiles everyday. If we could harness the kinetic energy from the turnstiles, we could possibly pump that back into the grid or use it to reduce station overhead costs. It may even reduce rider fares. eh?
Turnstyles are so 19th century and they suck.
Why not use faregates like PATH (which takes metrocards), Airtrain (which takes metrocards), Washington DC Metro, etc use?
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1G_faregate.JPG
I'm not sure this is the most scientific map I've ever seen.
why doesnt the city invest in new subway stations? start with the G train and make it go to manhattan. someone? please?
You are missing the whole point of the G train.
Please look at the subway map, and tell us where exactly should it turn to the west.
You guys are so NYC centric
the whole point of this exercise, wasn't to show how valuable the NYC subway is to New Yorkers (i mean we all know that..duh!)
It was to make the argument to cities like Los Angeles and Houston that a building a subway system could really improve and revitalize their downtown areas, as well as quality of life.
If NYC didn't have its subway and public transportation, the downtown would look like Buffalo NY, or countless other post-industrial revolution, post-horse age cities. If you didn't buy out your neighbor's pre-war building and tear it down and make it a parking lot, your building would soon become abandoned because of the lack of parking, and then your neighbor will buy you out. The alternative is to do a Moses-esque Urban Redevelopment, superblock it, and build an unwalkable, drivable oasis with multi story parking garages and streets as wide as Queens Blvd. Go look at White Plains NY or Stamford CT for the results of that.
I kind of like the idea of huge swaths of Manhattan being overtaken by anti-matter. Why hasn't this movie been made?
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I kind of like the idea of Manhattan being overtaken by anti-matter. Why hasn't this movie been made?
http://ourtownssite.blogspot.com/
So I guess the East River will be filled with trash, leveled and turned into a paved lot?
Obviously this has to be some sort of joke for attention. The entire exercise is pointless - without subways there would not be the development or population there is today. But in addition to that, this map is just ridiculous - you would have to have many small parking lots every few blocks - not acres of parking lots at a time.
Filling in the East River and building condos has been a dream of many. Its pretty easy to do. We can start by filling in between Governors Island and Brooklyn. The existing bridges will become funny looking highways.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=940DE4DC113CE633A25753C3A96E9C946296D6CF
So without the subways, NYC would become Buffalo. Whatever.