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We're sure everyone saw this coming: According to the Daily News, "Straphangers seeking relief from the overcrowded Lexington Ave. line may have to wait until 2017 for the arrival of the MTA's cure - the Second Ave subway, sources told the Daily News Tuesday... [After an analysis] The conclusion: the official completion date for phase one of the project should be pushed from June 2015 to December 2016, with possible future delays placing the opening in the summer of 2017, the sources said." Okay, so 2017 translated from MTA time should be sometime in 2020, no?
Phase one would have included new stations at 72nd, 86th and 96th, with the T and Q lines running down 2nd Avenue; plus Q riders would also be able to access the 63rd Street and Lexington station. Gene Russianoff of the Straphangers Campaign said, "It will not come as shock to the American people that the Second Ave. subway is behind schedule. It's a big complicated project. I think part of this is bowing to the economic realities of what money is available and when." The Post adds, "The massive $4.3 billion price tag will now be between $100 million and $500 million more expensive."
Groundbreaking of restarting the stop-and-start Second Avenue subway was in April of 2007. It was so long ago, Governor Spitzer oversaw the festitivies!!
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Just cancel it altogether. Maybe the next generation of New York can afford it, but this one can't.
We can't afford the alternative. We absolutely need this line. It would literally be running at capacity the day it opened.
It is extremely frustrating that they are pushing this back again, especially after all the bragging they did on those ads in the subway cars.
They should be initiating several more lines than they are currently planning. Mass transit is exactly the kind of capital expenditure that pays for itself in increased property and sales tax revenue-- far more effectively than 4 proposed stadiums.
Mass transit is exactly the kind of capital expenditure that pays for itself in increased property and sales tax revenue
I'm all for mass transit but I don't buy your conclusion with respect to this particular project. Are apartments on the UES going to rise dramatically in value from where there are now simply because of a second subway line? They are already expensive relative to other parts of the city. Do we want/need them to become more expensive? And how many more apartments can be squeezed into this area? If there were huge tracts of undeveloped land that would become more valuable I might be more open to your suggestion. Given the shortage of financial resources and the high cost of housing in the city it would probably be more cost effective to build subways or trains to under served and under developed areas in the outer boroughs (and New Jersey). Those places might see a boost in residential development which would make city living more affordable and keep taxes and wages in the city. And it might cut down on the number of cars entering Manhattan. Then we could run more buses. Or we could have gone with congestion pricing to keep cars off the road and make way for buses. But instead we go with the most expensive option and that one that will take the longest to construct. By the time they get the Second Avenue Subway all the way down to South Ferry the tunnels will probably be flooded from rising sea levels.
/end rant
I'm not sure if anyone realistically expected this to be completed before 2020. At least Bloomberg's pet 7 extension project to nowhere is mostly on schedule.
And it's connection to the Q line, not the T. The T won't be in service until Phase 3 is completed, which will probably be 2050 at this rate.
Thanks!
F that shit
2020: hindsight and foresight.
Is Silverstein behind this project in some way?
It'll be done for the next generation - the babies being born today.
Actually if the city was smart they would tear down all those ugly apartment buildings on the upper east side and then there wouldn't be a need for another subway.
2020?! PALL-EASE. We're more talking about 2030 if we're at all lucky and if the money doesn't run out because someone wants to milk this for all it's worth.
End the charade already and concentrate on express bus lanes. Labor and materials costs make this project impossible.
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I'll be long gone fomr this city by the time. I plan on taking a ride while on vacation from my house in the burbs with my 1.5 children and 2 car garage.
Not only that, what's being built—a two track line with no express service—is inadequate and shortsighted. No way to bypass stalled trains and it'll be maxed with commuters a lot sooner.
You'd assume that with our technology, compared to what William Parsons had to rely on in 1904, that we'd be building an eight track trunk line with a 100 years worth of anticipated growth in mind.
The second avenue line has been actively worked on for like 80 years and planned for over 100. Another delay is pretty much the most unsurprising thing on this planet.
I would eat my hat if this money sink was ever completed.
I sat underneath the MTA's subway ad bragging "Second Avenue line open in 2015" last night and wanted to scream at it.
I feel that way about the pre-hike "then and now" fare ads
In other news, the sky will be blue tomorrow.
Expect some traffic during rush hour.
A quicker, simpler and much cheaper solution to ease the over-crowding on the 4-5-6 line would be to re-open the already existing Metro-North station at 86th and Park. This would allow peak-time travellers to Midtown an alternative as well as further open up New York State and Connecticut to daytrippers from Manhattan.
Views of this mothballed station can be viewed here:
http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/abandoned/86st.html
Obviously there may be a few objections from local Park Avenue residents but imagine being able step out your front door to find yourself in Chappaqua after only a few further footsteps. And if the city can rope off Times Square and put a bike lane on Grand St then surely the NYCDOT could add a bus-only lane to Second and/or Third Avenue then let the MTA do with it what they will.