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Senator Charles Schumer is speaking out against a bill that would allow people from states where concealed gun are legal to carry their concealed weapons in states where concealed guns are illegal. He said, "Right now you walk down the streets in New York or Nassau County or Westchester County, you can have the solace of knowing that if someone has a gun on them, they've gone through a rigorous background check. After this law, you can have no such comfort." The bill was proposed by Senator John Thune (R-South Dakota); the Washington Post has an editorial explaining, "It would make concealed-carry permits akin to driver's licenses. If you meet the requirements for concealed carry in your home state, your permit would be honored in another... Conservatives usually argue against the federal government telling states what they can and can't do. If approved, the Thune amendment would trample all over the rights of states and cities to enforce reasonable restrictions on gun ownership. There are already enough guns on America's streets. A vote for Mr. Thune's bill would make them that much more dangerous."
Schumer Against Bill Allowing Concealed Guns In NY
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Crazy woman on the subway. This is too great not to post!
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If everyone carried a gun here like in Texas, there would be no crime, the gun is the great equalizer of men. You wouldn't mug someone if you knew 1 out of 3 times they will put a bullet in you. Unless your a civil servant or drink wine with Bloomberg, you will never get a concealed carry permit in NYC. The police take 15 mins to respond. Paramedics will watch you bleed to death before they touch you b/c the cops haven't showed up yet to search you for weapons. The police has no duty to rescue you and isn't liable for not being there/responding when your family is held at gunpoint and your wife is being raped. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales
When you outlaw guns, only the outlaws will have guns.
No crime in Texas? That's odd, cause they had 1,415 murders in 2007. NY had 801 (this was an outlier.. the average is closer to 900)
Texas has more murders per capita.
Thank you. Exactly. Texas has the nation's most utilized death penalty and liberal gun laws and what do they have to show for it? Cities that regularly rank among the worst in violent crime, armed robbery and rape. Texas has a serious problem and all the guns in the world didn't fix it.
How about no-one carrying a gun?
"If everyone carried a gun here like in Texas, there would be no crime..."
you have to be a true fucking idiot to believe/espouse lines like that.
"your family is held at gunpoint and your wife is being raped."
parroting right out of the NRA playbook. these scare tactics also worked well for Jim Crow laws and Reefer Madness zealots.
One of the things that you neglect to mention with everyone being armed all the time is that when it comes to crime, you rarely see it coming.
I've been a proud owner of a gun for in excess of 15 years in multiple states. I like guns. I like shooting them. I am not, however, under any illusion that if some skell wants to pop me before I have a chance to react, chances are they're going to be successful.
I've been jacked, multiple times, at gun point, while armed, which is why I say this.
Couldn't have said it any better.
The best part is that liberals always talk about decriminalizing marijuana and harsher drugs using the same logic.
A war on drugs and a war on guns can never work. Did prohibition work? No. And most importantly, the 2nd Amendment prohibits the government from restricting our liberty on this topic.
Just more Schumer hyperventilating. When is NYC going to realize that their gun laws have nothing to do with logic. I'm a lefty Dem and support the 2nd Amendment. This legislation will have no impact on crime one way or the other.
About same time that DC did... when a court steps in. (And even that didn't really change the Council's mind)
Yup. New York City, please meet Alan Gura. I am sure you will be hearing from him once the Heller decision is incorporated.
Silver, you are wrong, along with so many gun enthusiasts and NRA members. We are suffering under the burden of TOO MANY GUNS and EASILY AVAILABLE GUNS.
This is an important consideration. I completely agree with our senior Senator that "If approved, the Thune amendment would trample all over the rights of states and cities to enforce reasonable restrictions on gun ownership. There are already enough guns on America's streets. A vote for Mr. Thune's bill would make them that much more dangerous."
I also urge reasonable people everywhere to contact their Senators are encourage them to vote AGAINST THE THUNE AMENDMENT.
"If you feel you need to own a gun to be safe clearly you're not a free person."
It is your choice not to own a gun. It is others' choice to own one.
"the US is one of the few developed countries where you can expect drive-by shootings with automatic weapons"
That is just a lie. When is the last time you heard of a crime committed with an automatic weapon.
"What about most campus shooters? Or the Holocaust museum nut job? In any case, refer to point 2."
In the case of Columbine and and the Holocaust museum, they had their guns illegally. Clearly they would not obey any new laws.
The reason the constitution explicitly states that the government can't take away our right to bear arms is simple: our guns protect the all the other rights we have. It ensures that the government does not have a monopoly of force. You shouldn't feel more free if you have a gun, you should feel that your freedom is being protected.
And yes, owning a gun does deter criminals from attacking you. If you really don't believe that, why don't you put a sign on your door that says "This household does not have any guns." Let's see how comfortable you are going to feel then.
P.S. All those drugs you speak of should be legalized.
Yes, Texas, crime-free capital of the world
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm
Crime rates and everything are going up, haha! There goes that opinion!
Pretty soon, it'll be the return of the OK Corral. Hey, what about that poor kid in Louisiana back in '92 who walked up to a house to ask directions and the lunatic inside shot him through the door? Sure makes me feel safer to have more guns around. Most people shouldn't have guns. They're too stupid. Hell, even highly trained police make stupid mistakes with guns (see the guy killed on his stoop last week).
Are people with concealed carry permits involved in gun-related incidents at rates even near the general population?
Without that data there is no argument to support this bill.
They commit so few crimes that Miami stopped tracking the stat.
I support a bill banning Chuck Schumer
this IS absolutely a state's rights issue. NYS should have the right to protect it's citizenry against weak ass gun laws in places like NC and TX where handgun regulations are a joke.
p.s. i am a gun owner.
Figures the first commenter would be an pompous ass from Texas. Y'all can't even make decent barbecue, let alone figure out how to make a big city safe.
So what are the statistics of gun-related crime perpetrated by people who bought their guns legally--got a FFL, paid the fees, etc etc etc. vs people who bought their guns illegally?
And how many of those were concealed carry permit owners?
"Freedom is the ability to live without fear"
that's the definition of security, not freedom. which is a bit pathetic/completely normal depending on how you process the whole "positive liberty" vs. "negative liberty" debate.
that said, the things that get conflated regarding texas cfl's is the crime rate of concealed carry permit holders tends to be extremely low beyond the obvious category of violations of permit holding rules. which makes sense - you go through a process to expose yourself to police scrutiny, etc.
the long and the short of it is that there isn't a tremendous danger from CFL holders, nor is it a tremendous crime deterrent. schumer is, shockingly, talking completely out of his ass in an alarmist and irresponsible manner. this is tremendously difficult to believe for anyone familiar with chuck schumer's career, which has long been associated with holding up the highest ideals of liberty and personal responsibility. [/sarcasm]
anyway, a closer state to consider would be vermont. vermont has "lax" gun laws even in comparison to texas. you don't hear a lot of shouting about vermont beyond the brady campaign people. probably some red-blue state runoff nonsense.
As a gun owner, I think NYS should have the right to ban concealed (or otherwise) weapons if it wants to.
The 10th Amendment?
All gun rights are protected by the second amendment. Any laws against gun ownership or posession are unconstitutional. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?
The US Constitution has to change with time, or else we would all have the inalienable right to own slaves, 21 would be the national voting age (even though 18 year olds could be drafted for war) and the president could stay in office for an indefinite number of terms.
I'm not sure what constitutional changes should be made to the right to bear arms, but give that it was first conceived in a time when you were just as likely to be attacked by a wild animal in Manhattan as you were a fellow citizen, don't you think it's about time we reconsider the facts?
NYC gun control laws are an affront to the US constitution. There's a difference between vetting / educating gun owners, and denying people their inalienable rights. Time and again NYC fails to comprehend that people have inalienable rights. So truthfully, I think chuck schumer can go suck one. He's not said a word about the grossly illegal subway search program. And he's done nothing to address the grossly illegal "gun control" laws currently in place.
I hope to god he gets beat in the next election.
I don't care about the background checks. If you are asking for a permit to carry a gun, you are a nutcase by definition! We have enough problems with criminals, last thing we want is nutcases getting armed, simply because they can clear the criminal background check.
Criminals don't attack the type that'd carry a weapon anyway: men who are confident in taking care of themselves. They attack mostly the women and the elderly.
If you are a grown able bodied man whining for a permit to get a gun to protect your own damn ass out on the street, I say: fuuuuck you! Are the girls and the grannies going to get armed as the result of that? I don't think so. More likely your own untrained and freaked out stray shot is gonna kill some baby in a stroller nearby. Grow a pair bitch, and walk unarmed like the rest of us!
So don't you think women and elderly should be armed?
I don't think they *will*!
If you want a gun for yourself be a man and say so. Don't hide behind "I am defending the rights of the poor old grandmothers and the pretty young mothers to get Glocks and start blasting their way to the grocery stores". It's bullshit.
I don't want to carry a gun, but I support other to have the right to choose if they want to.
Do you trust others, carrying those guns, with their own decisions when to use them, and their own skills in using them?
They passed the background check, meaning: they are not criminals. But still, they are not trained pros either. They may panic or get upset or make a mistake and where you'd normally end up with a bloody nose - you'd now end up dead.
Most states, with the exception of Alaska and Vermont require training in order to conceal carry.
Guns scare me. This city is too crowded and tense to allow legally concealed weapons. I do not feel a bit safer knowing they’re around. Whatever your good intentions may be, they’re out the window when you’re drunk or angry. I don’t trust anyone, permit holders included, with that kind of power.
Wow, must be tough to be that fearful. You do know, don't you that the bad guys already have guns
Apologies if my wariness bothers you. Of course I know the bad guys have guns, I’m not a fucking idiot. I just don’t trust that people who get them legally are automatically the “good guys.”
Okay. So the only thing you're accomplishing is ensuring that "good guys" are not among those who are armed. Sounds like bad policy to me.
And I don't trust anyone with alcohol, drugs, motor vehicles, bicycles, children, dogs, cats, jury duty, voting rights, web access or clown makeup. Therefore, since they all make me uncomfortable, they should not be available to anyone. Well, the rest of the stuff is OK, just ban the clown stuff. They're evil.
My question is how many guns would people with CCW permits be allowed to "carry" into NY? One? Twelve? The thing we don't need is a bill that allows shady gun dealers to legally transport their wares into the city.
Because there's a piece of legislation out there that would help prevent the shady gun dealers from operating in NYC?
Schumer is in his usual nonsensical headline-seeking mode. In the quote, is he trying to tell us that every wanna-be gangsta in the projects has had a background check? The bill appears to be more of a federal v state's rights issue. Just like states have their own laws in re alcohol and tobacco, they have their rights in regulation based on their local conditions of public safety interest. And a carry in NYC? NO WAY unless you are politically connected. They also say you can't have a Red Ryder BB gun. Or a "sand-club", whatever the hell that is. You wanna carry in NYC, take your chances, like some of us do.
"Guns don't kill people. I kill people".
When will some people realize that "gun control laws" really only affect people who obey the law in the first place?
You said it much better than my attempts.